Langley HS PTSA Survey Results on VDOT's Proposed I-495 NB Ramp Closure

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Langley is most definitely NOT under enrolled.

Since the majority of commuters are from MD, it makes sense that MD should have a wider bridge. MD offers zero incentives for business on their side of the river, obviously. Why aren't Marylanders working on that? VA doesn't care what MD wants, obviously.

It most definitely IS under-enrolled: 1923 kids this fall at a school with a 2100-student capacity. The Langley enrollment is down over 170 kids from a decade ago. In comparison, Marshall’s enrollment over the same period has increased by over 800 students and McLean’s by almost 500.

Since Langley has space, and almost no low-income students, the obvious solution is to move multi-family housing in Tysons - closer to Langley than the Great Falls neighborhoods where parents are complaining about the traffic on Georgetown Pike - to Langley and move the GF neighborhoods to Herndon or South Lakes as soon as those schools can accommodate them. FCPS projects Herndon at 95% of capacity and South Lakes at 90% in 2022, so it seems quite doable.

Where are the tysons students go? Why wouldn’t they go to Langley?

I heard some apartments are zoned for Spring Hill Elementary, which is a Langley pyramid school. But then those same students are zoned for Longfellow and McLean high and not Cooper/Langley. That doesn’t make any sense.

2/3 of Tysons goes to Marshall; 1/3 goes to McLean. Meanwhile kids who live in Great Falls and even parts of Herndon and Reston go to Langley. This should change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Repeating this over and over does not make it true. Langley isn't under-enrolled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Langley is most definitely NOT under enrolled.

Since the majority of commuters are from MD, it makes sense that MD should have a wider bridge. MD offers zero incentives for business on their side of the river, obviously. Why aren't Marylanders working on that? VA doesn't care what MD wants, obviously.

It most definitely IS under-enrolled: 1923 kids this fall at a school with a 2100-student capacity. The Langley enrollment is down over 170 kids from a decade ago. In comparison, Marshall’s enrollment over the same period has increased by over 800 students and McLean’s by almost 500.

Since Langley has space, and almost no low-income students, the obvious solution is to move multi-family housing in Tysons - closer to Langley than the Great Falls neighborhoods where parents are complaining about the traffic on Georgetown Pike - to Langley and move the GF neighborhoods to Herndon or South Lakes as soon as those schools can accommodate them. FCPS projects Herndon at 95% of capacity and South Lakes at 90% in 2022, so it seems quite doable.

+1000. That might also help Langley parents understand others face challenges more significant than sitting in traffic in their Range Rovers.

Huh. I drive a ten yr. old minivan... does that mean I'm not qualified to be a Langley parent? And what about all those other parents like me? But sure, continue focusing your rage on the stereotypical wealth that you think all Langley families have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a parent who just arrived at Langley to pick up my student. It is now 3:49. I was stuck on GTP, as usual, for 25 minutes over a stretch of two miles - from Spring Hill Road to Cooper MS. The line of MD drivers - in both directions - trying to get to the Beltway north ramp was unreal. Not only was GTP at a standstill, but so was Swinks Mill, Balls Hill, and Dead Run. All MD drivers headed for that ramp, along with some very frustrated VA drivers just trying to use GTP.

A PP asked why students would be headed east on GTP at this hour - many are parents trying to get to LHS to pick up our kids who have to stay after. There are late buses that run on certain days, but they leave school much later and get stuck in the same traffic, making the kids that much later.

VDOT, if you happen to be reading this, PLEASE close the northbound beltway ramp off of GTP in the afternoons, starting at least by 2:15. There is no reason our local drivers, including teachers, parents, and students, should have to wait in this insane traffic jam just so Maryland drivers can get a toll-free shortcut home.

Are Langley parents out of their mind! I can't even begin to think of a more entitled response than this. Close off a beltway exit starting at 2 for people that bring millions into the County so that a stay at home mom can pick up their high schooler rather than him or her waiting at the school before sports games or God forbid riding a bus or driving home themselves. I really have heard everything now. I'm just so disgusted with these people. They gerrymandered boundaries, restrict apartments in their neighborhoods, throw a temper tantrum over a small senior living facility taking up valuable time when our supervisors could have been reviewing other areas of the county more fully, throw another temper tantrum over airplanes over their neighborhood. The list goes on and on. If I were a supervisor, I'd start talking about widening the road and/or moving these kids to other schools right away. Can we do something to shut up the whining about parents picking up kids from the high school when there is a perfectly good bus available?

Wow, speaking of temper tantrums... where to start with this silly bunch of exaggerations and outright lies. You do know that a lot of kids stay after to make up tests, get extra academic support, etc., right? That it's not all about sports? And maybe you're not aware, but the late bus at Langley runs ONE DAY a week - not every day. So a non-driving kid staying after on any other day will need to be picked up. You seem to assume all kids are there for sports, that late buses run every day, and that all kids not only have licenses, but also drive to school. That's a lot of absurd assumptions.

I suggest you check your rage at the Langley community in general and stop blaming things like neighborhood boundaries, etc. on the families who live there. Take it up with the school board or elected officials if you have such a huge chip on your shoulder. That might at least shut up *your* whining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Repeating this over and over does not make it true. Langley isn't under-enrolled.

You are misinformed. Langley is well below capacity and its fall 2018 enrollment is the lowest enrollment in at least the last 15 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Langley is most definitely NOT under enrolled.

Since the majority of commuters are from MD, it makes sense that MD should have a wider bridge. MD offers zero incentives for business on their side of the river, obviously. Why aren't Marylanders working on that? VA doesn't care what MD wants, obviously.

It most definitely IS under-enrolled: 1923 kids this fall at a school with a 2100-student capacity. The Langley enrollment is down over 170 kids from a decade ago. In comparison, Marshall’s enrollment over the same period has increased by over 800 students and McLean’s by almost 500.

Since Langley has space, and almost no low-income students, the obvious solution is to move multi-family housing in Tysons - closer to Langley than the Great Falls neighborhoods where parents are complaining about the traffic on Georgetown Pike - to Langley and move the GF neighborhoods to Herndon or South Lakes as soon as those schools can accommodate them. FCPS projects Herndon at 95% of capacity and South Lakes at 90% in 2022, so it seems quite doable.

+1000. That might also help Langley parents understand others face challenges more significant than sitting in traffic in their Range Rovers.

Huh. I drive a ten yr. old minivan... does that mean I'm not qualified to be a Langley parent? And what about all those other parents like me? But sure, continue focusing your rage on the stereotypical wealth that you think all Langley families have.

We just moved to the Langley pyramid and surprised how modest many of the families are. There are townhouses and older smaller homes in McLean. Some families sacrifice to pay for more expensive housing. Not everyone is loaded like it is often implied on these boards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Langley is most definitely NOT under enrolled.

Since the majority of commuters are from MD, it makes sense that MD should have a wider bridge. MD offers zero incentives for business on their side of the river, obviously. Why aren't Marylanders working on that? VA doesn't care what MD wants, obviously.

It most definitely IS under-enrolled: 1923 kids this fall at a school with a 2100-student capacity. The Langley enrollment is down over 170 kids from a decade ago. In comparison, Marshall’s enrollment over the same period has increased by over 800 students and McLean’s by almost 500.

Since Langley has space, and almost no low-income students, the obvious solution is to move multi-family housing in Tysons - closer to Langley than the Great Falls neighborhoods where parents are complaining about the traffic on Georgetown Pike - to Langley and move the GF neighborhoods to Herndon or South Lakes as soon as those schools can accommodate them. FCPS projects Herndon at 95% of capacity and South Lakes at 90% in 2022, so it seems quite doable.

+1000. That might also help Langley parents understand others face challenges more significant than sitting in traffic in their Range Rovers.

Huh. I drive a ten yr. old minivan... does that mean I'm not qualified to be a Langley parent? And what about all those other parents like me? But sure, continue focusing your rage on the stereotypical wealth that you think all Langley families have.

We just moved to the Langley pyramid and surprised how modest many of the families are. There are townhouses and older smaller homes in McLean. Some families sacrifice to pay for more expensive housing. Not everyone is loaded like it is often implied on these boards.

Very few townhouses and no apartments are zoned to Langley, and there is nothing modest about trying to offload the traffic in your area onto other neighborhoods. It’s the height of arrogance.

[Anonymous]

Very few townhouses and no apartments are zoned to Langley, and there is nothing modest about trying to offload the traffic in your area onto other neighborhoods. It’s the height of arrogance.

Yes! This! Does the special interest group that is lobbying this asinine cause think that the rest of us in the DMV don’t sit in standstill traffic during the rush hours? Try traversing the Lewinsville/123 intersection or the Kirby/Westmoreland intersection during rush hour and you will see that we face the same issues on the other side of McLean. Langley folks are getting a bad rap on this issue because their attitude is essentially “not in my backayard”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Langley is most definitely NOT under enrolled.

Since the majority of commuters are from MD, it makes sense that MD should have a wider bridge. MD offers zero incentives for business on their side of the river, obviously. Why aren't Marylanders working on that? VA doesn't care what MD wants, obviously.

It most definitely IS under-enrolled: 1923 kids this fall at a school with a 2100-student capacity. The Langley enrollment is down over 170 kids from a decade ago. In comparison, Marshall’s enrollment over the same period has increased by over 800 students and McLean’s by almost 500.

Since Langley has space, and almost no low-income students, the obvious solution is to move multi-family housing in Tysons - closer to Langley than the Great Falls neighborhoods where parents are complaining about the traffic on Georgetown Pike - to Langley and move the GF neighborhoods to Herndon or South Lakes as soon as those schools can accommodate them. FCPS projects Herndon at 95% of capacity and South Lakes at 90% in 2022, so it seems quite doable.

+1000. That might also help Langley parents understand others face challenges more significant than sitting in traffic in their Range Rovers.

Huh. I drive a ten yr. old minivan... does that mean I'm not qualified to be a Langley parent? And what about all those other parents like me? But sure, continue focusing your rage on the stereotypical wealth that you think all Langley families have.

We just moved to the Langley pyramid and surprised how modest many of the families are. There are townhouses and older smaller homes in McLean. Some families sacrifice to pay for more expensive housing. Not everyone is loaded like it is often implied on these boards.

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This is absolutely the case. There are plenty of modest-sized homes in both McLean and Great Falls. But the bitters on this board only want to discuss the wealthy families because it gives them something on which to focus their rage. Kind of pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Langley is most definitely NOT under enrolled.

Since the majority of commuters are from MD, it makes sense that MD should have a wider bridge. MD offers zero incentives for business on their side of the river, obviously. Why aren't Marylanders working on that? VA doesn't care what MD wants, obviously.

It most definitely IS under-enrolled: 1923 kids this fall at a school with a 2100-student capacity. The Langley enrollment is down over 170 kids from a decade ago. In comparison, Marshall’s enrollment over the same period has increased by over 800 students and McLean’s by almost 500.

Since Langley has space, and almost no low-income students, the obvious solution is to move multi-family housing in Tysons - closer to Langley than the Great Falls neighborhoods where parents are complaining about the traffic on Georgetown Pike - to Langley and move the GF neighborhoods to Herndon or South Lakes as soon as those schools can accommodate them. FCPS projects Herndon at 95% of capacity and South Lakes at 90% in 2022, so it seems quite doable.

+1000. That might also help Langley parents understand others face challenges more significant than sitting in traffic in their Range Rovers.

Huh. I drive a ten yr. old minivan... does that mean I'm not qualified to be a Langley parent? And what about all those other parents like me? But sure, continue focusing your rage on the stereotypical wealth that you think all Langley families have.

We just moved to the Langley pyramid and surprised how modest many of the families are. There are townhouses and older smaller homes in McLean. Some families sacrifice to pay for more expensive housing. Not everyone is loaded like it is often implied on these boards.

Very few townhouses and no apartments are zoned to Langley, and there is nothing modest about trying to offload the traffic in your area onto other neighborhoods. It’s the height of arrogance.

DP. There is actually a large townhouse community that is zoned for Langley. But you don't have to live in a townhouse or apartment to live in a small, modest home - which are plentiful throughout the area. It's pretty obvious you're only going to see what you want to see and that you don't actually live in McLean or Great Falls or you'd know exactly what the PP describes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Very few townhouses and no apartments are zoned to Langley, and there is nothing modest about trying to offload the traffic in your area onto other neighborhoods. It’s the height of arrogance.

Yes! This! Does the special interest group that is lobbying this asinine cause think that the rest of us in the DMV don’t sit in standstill traffic during the rush hours? Try traversing the Lewinsville/123 intersection or the Kirby/Westmoreland intersection during rush hour and you will see that we face the same issues on the other side of McLean. Langley folks are getting a bad rap on this issue because their attitude is essentially “not in my backayard”.

Your issue is not the same at all because it involves other VA drivers using VA roads. The Langley area situation is completely about MD drivers using the local roads to gain access to the beltway, when they could use the toll road to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Langley is most definitely NOT under enrolled.

Since the majority of commuters are from MD, it makes sense that MD should have a wider bridge. MD offers zero incentives for business on their side of the river, obviously. Why aren't Marylanders working on that? VA doesn't care what MD wants, obviously.

It most definitely IS under-enrolled: 1923 kids this fall at a school with a 2100-student capacity. The Langley enrollment is down over 170 kids from a decade ago. In comparison, Marshall’s enrollment over the same period has increased by over 800 students and McLean’s by almost 500.

Since Langley has space, and almost no low-income students, the obvious solution is to move multi-family housing in Tysons - closer to Langley than the Great Falls neighborhoods where parents are complaining about the traffic on Georgetown Pike - to Langley and move the GF neighborhoods to Herndon or South Lakes as soon as those schools can accommodate them. FCPS projects Herndon at 95% of capacity and South Lakes at 90% in 2022, so it seems quite doable.

+1000. That might also help Langley parents understand others face challenges more significant than sitting in traffic in their Range Rovers.

Huh. I drive a ten yr. old minivan... does that mean I'm not qualified to be a Langley parent? And what about all those other parents like me? But sure, continue focusing your rage on the stereotypical wealth that you think all Langley families have.

We just moved to the Langley pyramid and surprised how modest many of the families are. There are townhouses and older smaller homes in McLean. Some families sacrifice to pay for more expensive housing. Not everyone is loaded like it is often implied on these boards.

Very few townhouses and no apartments are zoned to Langley, and there is nothing modest about trying to offload the traffic in your area onto other neighborhoods. It’s the height of arrogance.

DP. There is actually a large townhouse community that is zoned for Langley. But you don't have to live in a townhouse or apartment to live in a small, modest home - which are plentiful throughout the area. It's pretty obvious you're only going to see what you want to see and that you don't actually live in McLean or Great Falls or you'd know exactly what the PP describes.

Stop digging. You are just embarrassing yourself now.

[Anonymous]

DP here. There is absolutely a large townhouse community and also a good number of apartments zoned for Langley. PP is correct. What is that to you, other PP? You are that hung up on what you think other people have?

I have news for you, your troubles won't end at the ramp closure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Very few townhouses and no apartments are zoned to Langley, and there is nothing modest about trying to offload the traffic in your area onto other neighborhoods. It’s the height of arrogance.

Yes! This! Does the special interest group that is lobbying this asinine cause think that the rest of us in the DMV don’t sit in standstill traffic during the rush hours? Try traversing the Lewinsville/123 intersection or the Kirby/Westmoreland intersection during rush hour and you will see that we face the same issues on the other side of McLean. Langley folks are getting a bad rap on this issue because their attitude is essentially “not in my backayard”.

Your issue is not the same at all because it involves other VA drivers using VA roads. The Langley area situation is completely about MD drivers using the local roads to gain access to the beltway, when they could use the toll road to do so.

You are wrong. Tysons growth & high tolls on both the HOT lanes on I-66, combined with the invention of Waze, has flooded all of our local roads with DC and Maryland commuters. Unfortunately, we all have to share in the burden of living in a desirable area. One neighborhood alone cannot escape.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly the ramp should not be closed and the solution is to move students in Great Falls to closer schools in Herndon or Reston. Langley is under-enrolled and FCPS can redistrict multi-family housing in Tysons there to fill empty seats.

Langley is most definitely NOT under enrolled.

Since the majority of commuters are from MD, it makes sense that MD should have a wider bridge. MD offers zero incentives for business on their side of the river, obviously. Why aren't Marylanders working on that? VA doesn't care what MD wants, obviously.

It most definitely IS under-enrolled: 1923 kids this fall at a school with a 2100-student capacity. The Langley enrollment is down over 170 kids from a decade ago. In comparison, Marshall’s enrollment over the same period has increased by over 800 students and McLean’s by almost 500.

Since Langley has space, and almost no low-income students, the obvious solution is to move multi-family housing in Tysons - closer to Langley than the Great Falls neighborhoods where parents are complaining about the traffic on Georgetown Pike - to Langley and move the GF neighborhoods to Herndon or South Lakes as soon as those schools can accommodate them. FCPS projects Herndon at 95% of capacity and South Lakes at 90% in 2022, so it seems quite doable.

+1000. That might also help Langley parents understand others face challenges more significant than sitting in traffic in their Range Rovers.

Huh. I drive a ten yr. old minivan... does that mean I'm not qualified to be a Langley parent? And what about all those other parents like me? But sure, continue focusing your rage on the stereotypical wealth that you think all Langley families have.

We just moved to the Langley pyramid and surprised how modest many of the families are. There are townhouses and older smaller homes in McLean. Some families sacrifice to pay for more expensive housing. Not everyone is loaded like it is often implied on these boards.

Very few townhouses and no apartments are zoned to Langley, and there is nothing modest about trying to offload the traffic in your area onto other neighborhoods. It’s the height of arrogance.

DP. There is actually a large townhouse community that is zoned for Langley. But you don't have to live in a townhouse or apartment to live in a small, modest home - which are plentiful throughout the area. It's pretty obvious you're only going to see what you want to see and that you don't actually live in McLean or Great Falls or you'd know exactly what the PP describes.

Stop digging. You are just embarrassing yourself now.

I would say exactly that to you. Your hate and rage for anything related to Langley completely colors anything else you have to say. You can't even make rational arguments. Since you obviously don't live in this area, stop embarrassing yourself by making false proclamations about what kinds of housing are zoned to Langley. You have no clue.