My daughter bombed her ACT - move on to SAT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Internet offers many self-managed ACT/SAT prep courses. Frankly, if she cannot direct her efforts to locate and learn the tutorials on her own, she will likely struggle in a rigorous university curriculum.

Do your kids know what a bitch you are? Way to be positive and add something productive.

The OP said she was getting higher on the pre tests she took. And a 30 is not a bomb. It was her first try. It is people like you that make this kid feel like she bombed. The kids who can afford private tutors always come out on top, right?

White rich people are such pretentious assholes. Just because you have tons of money and time to throw away until your kids get perfect scores, does not mean the rest of the population does. Check yourself.

Check your own racism first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

OP: Some good advice here.

1) Have her retake. She can "superstore" her 2 tests. Have her work on her lower scoring sections.

2) Did she use the big red book of ACT tests? If not, have her take one every other weekend at the library before taking the test again.

3) Many schools don't even care about the Science section. Some schools outright only look at the Math and English sections.

4) Without extra practice, your DD may actually score *higher* on the SAT. They are very similar tests (after the recent redesign). But you won't know this if she never takes it.

The consensus over at College Confidential and elsewhere (see the Applerouth Website) is that the new SAT is much harder than the ACT. The concordance published by the College Board is way off and will be revised this Summer. See the following thread among others:

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/1890397-sat-concordance-table-compare-old-and-new-sat-scores-p43.html

The next to last post is this:

FWIW, my D19 just got her ACT score from a 2/27 test date. She had already taken the Nov SAT and gotten a 1430 (EBRW 720, math 710) so the concordance tables say a 31 would correspond on the ACT. She didn't do any significant ACT prep and only took it because it was administered to all juniors by the school during the school day. So we were pleasantly shocked today when her ACT score came and she has a 35 Composite (also 35 in all areas). She took both tests with accommodations and without the essay.

Sorry but no one pulls out a 35 on every section, especially the science section without any prep at all. Not buying that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP: Some good advice here.

1) Have her retake. She can "superstore" her 2 tests. Have her work on her lower scoring sections.

2) Did she use the big red book of ACT tests? If not, have her take one every other weekend at the library before taking the test again.

3) Many schools don't even care about the Science section. Some schools outright only look at the Math and English sections.

4) Without extra practice, your DD may actually score *higher* on the SAT. They are very similar tests (after the recent redesign). But you won't know this if she never takes it.

The consensus over at College Confidential and elsewhere (see the Applerouth Website) is that the new SAT is much harder than the ACT. The concordance published by the College Board is way off and will be revised this Summer. See the following thread among others:

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/1890397-sat-concordance-table-compare-old-and-new-sat-scores-p43.html

The next to last post is this:

FWIW, my D19 just got her ACT score from a 2/27 test date. She had already taken the Nov SAT and gotten a 1430 (EBRW 720, math 710) so the concordance tables say a 31 would correspond on the ACT. She didn't do any significant ACT prep and only took it because it was administered to all juniors by the school during the school day. So we were pleasantly shocked today when her ACT score came and she has a 35 Composite (also 35 in all areas). She took both tests with accommodations and without the essay.

Sorry but no one pulls out a 35 on every section, especially the science section without any prep at all. Not buying that.

I'd believe it. The biggest issue with the science is the time crunch. Six or so scenarios in 35 minutes. Only a few questions test subject knowledge and even those are in context. There were accommodations, which is arguably more helpful for ACT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP: Some good advice here.

1) Have her retake. She can "superstore" her 2 tests. Have her work on her lower scoring sections.

2) Did she use the big red book of ACT tests? If not, have her take one every other weekend at the library before taking the test again.

3) Many schools don't even care about the Science section. Some schools outright only look at the Math and English sections.

4) Without extra practice, your DD may actually score *higher* on the SAT. They are very similar tests (after the recent redesign). But you won't know this if she never takes it.

The consensus over at College Confidential and elsewhere (see the Applerouth Website) is that the new SAT is much harder than the ACT. The concordance published by the College Board is way off and will be revised this Summer. See the following thread among others:

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/1890397-sat-concordance-table-compare-old-and-new-sat-scores-p43.html

The next to last post is this:

FWIW, my D19 just got her ACT score from a 2/27 test date. She had already taken the Nov SAT and gotten a 1430 (EBRW 720, math 710) so the concordance tables say a 31 would correspond on the ACT. She didn't do any significant ACT prep and only took it because it was administered to all juniors by the school during the school day. So we were pleasantly shocked today when her ACT score came and she has a 35 Composite (also 35 in all areas). She took both tests with accommodations and without the essay.

Sorry but no one pulls out a 35 on every section, especially the science section without any prep at all. Not buying that.

I'd believe it. The biggest issue with the science is the time crunch. Six or so scenarios in 35 minutes. Only a few questions test subject knowledge and even those are in context. There were accommodations, which is arguably more helpful for ACT.

"with accommodations" on a test that is known for its time limitations = much easier. Why were you shocked PP?

[Anonymous]

Why does a child get extra time if the whole basis of the ACT test is quick thinking and time management? Do they get like 10 extra minutes or like an hour?

My DD has a class of 79 kids and 23 are on accommodations. That is just ridiculous. I hope they have to disclose they are on accommodations. Do colleges give extra time? Do jobs and bosses give extra time? I mean come on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does a child get extra time if the whole basis of the ACT test is quick thinking and time management? Do they get like 10 extra minutes or like an hour?

My DD has a class of 79 kids and 23 are on accommodations. That is just ridiculous. I hope they have to disclose they are on accommodations. Do colleges give extra time? Do jobs and bosses give extra time? I mean come on.

Neither schools nor ACT/SAT are allowed to disclose accomodations. These kids go on to elite schools where they are once again legally obligated to receive accomodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does a child get extra time if the whole basis of the ACT test is quick thinking and time management? Do they get like 10 extra minutes or like an hour?

My DD has a class of 79 kids and 23 are on accommodations. That is just ridiculous. I hope they have to disclose they are on accommodations. Do colleges give extra time? Do jobs and bosses give extra time? I mean come on.

Neither schools nor ACT/SAT are allowed to disclose accomodations. These kids go on to elite schools where they are once again legally obligated to receive accomodations.

If they have a documented disability that affects learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does a child get extra time if the whole basis of the ACT test is quick thinking and time management? Do they get like 10 extra minutes or like an hour?

My DD has a class of 79 kids and 23 are on accommodations. That is just ridiculous. I hope they have to disclose they are on accommodations. Do colleges give extra time? Do jobs and bosses give extra time? I mean come on.

Neither schools nor ACT/SAT are allowed to disclose accomodations. These kids go on to elite schools where they are once again legally obligated to receive accomodations.

If they have a documented disability that affects learning.

They do.
Everyone does.
I have a junior in an FCPS HS who personally knows 3 kids who were diagnosed this year, after not getting the grades and test scores that they want. And we’re talking about getting one C on a test or a 29 on the ACT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does a child get extra time if the whole basis of the ACT test is quick thinking and time management? Do they get like 10 extra minutes or like an hour?

My DD has a class of 79 kids and 23 are on accommodations. That is just ridiculous. I hope they have to disclose they are on accommodations. Do colleges give extra time? Do jobs and bosses give extra time? I mean come on.

Neither schools nor ACT/SAT are allowed to disclose accomodations. These kids go on to elite schools where they are once again legally obligated to receive accomodations.

And how does this work in the real word?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does a child get extra time if the whole basis of the ACT test is quick thinking and time management? Do they get like 10 extra minutes or like an hour?

My DD has a class of 79 kids and 23 are on accommodations. That is just ridiculous. I hope they have to disclose they are on accommodations. Do colleges give extra time? Do jobs and bosses give extra time? I mean come on.

Neither schools nor ACT/SAT are allowed to disclose accomodations. These kids go on to elite schools where they are once again legally obligated to receive accomodations.

And how does this work in the real word?

In the real world you aren't required to take a test on a time crunch. You have deadlines and ask for extensions when needed. That's the real world. Signed, an high successful adult diagnosed with ADHD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

OP: Some good advice here.

1) Have her retake. She can "superstore" her 2 tests. Have her work on her lower scoring sections.

2) Did she use the big red book of ACT tests? If not, have her take one every other weekend at the library before taking the test again.

3) Many schools don't even care about the Science section. Some schools outright only look at the Math and English sections.

4) Without extra practice, your DD may actually score *higher* on the SAT. They are very similar tests (after the recent redesign). But you won't know this if she never takes it.

The consensus over at College Confidential and elsewhere (see the Applerouth Website) is that the new SAT is much harder than the ACT. The concordance published by the College Board is way off and will be revised this Summer. See the following thread among others:

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/1890397-sat-concordance-table-compare-old-and-new-sat-scores-p43.html

The next to last post is this:

FWIW, my D19 just got her ACT score from a 2/27 test date. She had already taken the Nov SAT and gotten a 1430 (EBRW 720, math 710) so the concordance tables say a 31 would correspond on the ACT. She didn't do any significant ACT prep and only took it because it was administered to all juniors by the school during the school day. So we were pleasantly shocked today when her ACT score came and she has a 35 Composite (also 35 in all areas). She took both tests with accommodations and without the essay.

Sorry but no one pulls out a 35 on every section, especially the science section without any prep at all. Not buying that.

My kid got a 34 composite with no official prep (just bought her a book - but there aren’t any marks in it). She got perfect scores on 1 or 2 subtests, don’t remember which.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does a child get extra time if the whole basis of the ACT test is quick thinking and time management? Do they get like 10 extra minutes or like an hour?

My DD has a class of 79 kids and 23 are on accommodations. That is just ridiculous. I hope they have to disclose they are on accommodations. Do colleges give extra time? Do jobs and bosses give extra time? I mean come on.

Neither schools nor ACT/SAT are allowed to disclose accomodations. These kids go on to elite schools where they are once again legally obligated to receive accomodations.

And how does this work in the real word?

In the real world you aren't required to take a test on a time crunch. You have deadlines and ask for extensions when needed. That's the real world. Signed, an high successful adult diagnosed with ADHD

You are saying people on Wall Street, lawyers, doctors, business managers, engineers, etc... don’t have time crunches? They ask for deadlines because they can’t focus all the time? Yeah, okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Internet offers many self-managed ACT/SAT prep courses. Frankly, if she cannot direct her efforts to locate and learn the tutorials on her own, she will likely struggle in a rigorous university curriculum.

Do your kids know what a bitch you are? Way to be positive and add something productive.

The OP said she was getting higher on the pre tests she took. And a 30 is not a bomb. It was her first try. It is people like you that make this kid feel like she bombed. The kids who can afford private tutors always come out on top, right?

White rich people are such pretentious assholes. Just because you have tons of money and time to throw away until your kids get perfect scores, does not mean the rest of the population does. Check yourself.

Check your own racism first.

I know right? First, why would she assume this poster is rich AND white? And why do people hate people who are rich and white?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does a child get extra time if the whole basis of the ACT test is quick thinking and time management? Do they get like 10 extra minutes or like an hour?

My DD has a class of 79 kids and 23 are on accommodations. That is just ridiculous. I hope they have to disclose they are on accommodations. Do colleges give extra time? Do jobs and bosses give extra time? I mean come on.

Neither schools nor ACT/SAT are allowed to disclose accomodations. These kids go on to elite schools where they are once again legally obligated to receive accomodations.

And how does this work in the real word?

In the real world you aren't required to take a test on a time crunch. You have deadlines and ask for extensions when needed. That's the real world. Signed, an high successful adult diagnosed with ADHD

You are saying people on Wall Street, lawyers, doctors, business managers, engineers, etc... don’t have time crunches? They ask for deadlines because they can’t focus all the time? Yeah, okay.

So you are saying a kid who has ADHD and got accommodations would never be able to be a lawyer, doctor, business manager, or engineer?

The real world is not a timed test for 50 minutes. In the real world, a person can choose the occupation that suits him or her and that utilizes that person's natural aptitudes. The real world is not giving the same test to the entire population. I am sure a very successful lawyer with ADHD who is weak in math would not have chosen a profession in computer science or engineering. Just as an statistician with ADHD who is weak in memorization would not have chosen a career in law. My kid has ADHD, although not severe. He happens to be gifted in math, so I am not worried about his prospects. I have every confidence he will be great at whatever field he chooses, but in the meantime, he will continue to use his accommodations in high school and college.

[Anonymous]

The accommodations are pathetic. It is a crutch. They allow 1.5 time on an ACT. And many kids in my child’s school get it and score great. The test itself is very easy. It is trying to get thru the portions quick enough before time runs out. That is not an issue with accommodations. I wish they would only allow it on the SAT to make it fair.