Trump to gut ACA via executive order

[Anonymous]

Obama wanted to do single payer but chose the Heritage Foundation plan (the same thing Romney did in Mass); so if it didn't work, you can point back to the GOP and Heritage Foundation.

Demi and Progressives have generally wanted single payer since the early 1970's.

[Anonymous]

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This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

NO, this was HIS plan. O B A M A C A R E.

It's actually called ACA. The first A is impossible to accomplish with healthcare lobbyists in the pockets of greedy politicians, particularly the Rs.

They must be greedy in reverse, because they're losing money on Obamacare. LOLZ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn't fundamentally flawed, but you knew that if you didn't paint it every other year, it would fall apart, so you chose not to paint it then, sure, whatever.

Either way, at this point, it is your house and you need to live there and your family of 50 million are depending on you, so I hope you can figure it out.

Sorry, there isn't enough money in the world for your house, especially when it's on a wagon and asking everyone else to pull it for multi-decades. Time for you to start contributing instead of demanding everyone else pay your way.

I pay quite a bit in health insurance, thank you. The issue is how to manage healthcare for the poor and working poor, who forgo treatment and preventative care that reduces the strain and cost on the system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

NO, this was HIS plan. O B A M A C A R E.

As of yesterday it’s Trumpcare, good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obama wanted to do single payer but chose the Heritage Foundation plan (the same thing Romney did in Mass); so if it didn't work, you can point back to the GOP and Heritage Foundation.

Demi and Progressives have generally wanted single payer since the early 1970's.

Good luck with that. Country of 320 million and it won't scale, especially when half the country doesn't want to pay for anything.


I don't really care what democrats want. They constantly "want. They're like kids for life". They perpetually broke and constantly ask "Can we have....."

[Anonymous]

Trump is killing it via executive order. He now owns the mess.

After all, he thinks he's fixing things. He should want the credit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

NO, this was HIS plan. O B A M A C A R E.

As of yesterday it’s Trumpcare, good luck.

No, it's not. It will always be Obamacare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

NO, this was HIS plan. O B A M A C A R E.

As of yesterday it’s Trumpcare, good luck.

No, it's not. It will always be Obamacare.

Nope, he broke the china in the store, he owns it now.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obama wanted to do single payer but chose the Heritage Foundation plan (the same thing Romney did in Mass); so if it didn't work, you can point back to the GOP and Heritage Foundation.

Demi and Progressives have generally wanted single payer since the early 1970's.

I'm sorry. Did someone hold a gun to Obama's head and force him to choose the HF plan? He's a big boy. It was his choice.

(Weirdly, people who love Obama seem to think he is incredibly weak.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If it wasn't fundamentally flawed, but you knew that if you didn't paint it every other year, it would fall apart, so you chose not to paint it then, sure, whatever.

Either way, at this point, it is your house and you need to live there and your family of 50 million are depending on you, so I hope you can figure it out.

Sorry, there isn't enough money in the world for your house, especially when it's on a wagon and asking everyone else to pull it for multi-decades. Time for you to start contributing instead of demanding everyone else pay your way.

I pay quite a bit in health insurance, thank you. The issue is how to manage healthcare for the poor and working poor, who forgo treatment and preventative care that reduces the strain and cost on the system.

What about the lower end of the middle class, who now must forgo treatment because Obamacare has doubled their premiums and deductibles?

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Anonymous wrote:Going forward, it's TrumpCare.

If it isn't covered and you thought it was, that's on Trump.
If it is more expensive, then it's on Trump.
If you have caps, its on Trump.
If pre-existing isn't covered, it's on Trump.

yep. AGREE!

Disagree. Why would Obama design a health care plan that requires a Republican president to prop it up, lest it fall apart? If it can't stand on its own, it's fundamentally flawed, and the person who designed and pushed it is to blame.

OMG, your logic is just, wow.

Impressive rebuttal!

If I'm an architect and I design and build a fundamentally flawed house, is it fair for me to blame others when it eventually falls apart?

So...this is Obama's fault? He designed a health care plan (all by himself, no less) and knew that the next president would be a Republican (or whatever Trump) is? He knew that the GOP would be unwilling to contribute anything meaningful to said healthcare plan (just because they hate Obama, not because they had anything substantive to contribute)? He knew that after voting over and over and over and over again to repeal Obamacare, that the GOP would have NOTHING once they actually had the power to do something?

You sound like an objective, thoughtful, intelligent person. (that is sarcasm, btw)

Yes. There was roughly a 50% chance that the next president would be a Republican. Why would anyone think otherwise?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The ACA was fundamentally flawed and everyone, including the Obama administration knew it. There is no point in using band aids to deal with the flaws. Just repeal it and come up with a structurally sound alternative.

As long as the flawed ACA is allowed to continue with fixes, the less likely that it will really be dealt with in a serious way.

Name the alternative. The ACA was the GOP plan. The GOP has now rejected it because the black guy installed it.

So now what? Can't go back to what was before, and the ACA is now dead. What do you suggest?

DP. Maybe if the Demcratic president hadn't championed a GOP plan, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Well, there was a healthcare crisis that needed to be addressed. The Democratic president proposed something that he thought would get bi-partisan support. Little did he know that the GOP in the Congress would be so racist as to oppose their own plan just to spite the former President.

Now, the whole country gets to suffer for this.


Brilliant!

The bottom line that everyone knows (whether they want to admit it) is that we are in this mess because Obama sold the country a fundamentally flawed plan. That was his choice. We don't know what would have happened if he had picked a good plan because he didn't.

This isn't "his" plan. This is the best he could do working with he a-hole Rs. He should have shut them out (a la GOP process) to get it right.

Try again. He got zero Republican Senate votes for his plan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Going forward, it's TrumpCare.

If it isn't covered and you thought it was, that's on Trump.
If it is more expensive, then it's on Trump.
If you have caps, its on Trump.
If pre-existing isn't covered, it's on Trump.

yep. AGREE!

Disagree. Why would Obama design a health care plan that requires a Republican president to prop it up, lest it fall apart? If it can't stand on its own, it's fundamentally flawed, and the person who designed and pushed it is to blame.

OMG, your logic is just, wow.

Impressive rebuttal!

If I'm an architect and I design and build a fundamentally flawed house, is it fair for me to blame others when it eventually falls apart?

+1. I gave the same example, albeit on a micro-level. If my husband insists on buying a house that the inspector said has multiple and critical issues - and I was opposed - is it fair for him to turn around a few years later and blame me for not wanting for not wanting to throw good money after bad in a never-ending attempt to make it livable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Going forward, it's TrumpCare.

If it isn't covered and you thought it was, that's on Trump.
If it is more expensive, then it's on Trump.
If you have caps, its on Trump.
If pre-existing isn't covered, it's on Trump.

yep. AGREE!

Disagree. Why would Obama design a health care plan that requires a Republican president to prop it up, lest it fall apart? If it can't stand on its own, it's fundamentally flawed, and the person who designed and pushed it is to blame.

OMG, your logic is just, wow.

Impressive rebuttal!

If I'm an architect and I design and build a fundamentally flawed house, is it fair for me to blame others when it eventually falls apart?

So...this is Obama's fault? He designed a health care plan (all by himself, no less) and knew that the next president would be a Republican (or whatever Trump) is? He knew that the GOP would be unwilling to contribute anything meaningful to said healthcare plan (just because they hate Obama, not because they had anything substantive to contribute)? He knew that after voting over and over and over and over again to repeal Obamacare, that the GOP would have NOTHING once they actually had the power to do something?

You sound like an objective, thoughtful, intelligent person. (that is sarcasm, btw)

Yes. There was roughly a 50% chance that the next president would be a Republican. Why would anyone think otherwise?

Actually, in the liberals' arrogance and oft-quoted remarks about Democrat demographics, they were SURE they would win the next election, so when the monstrosity failed - as they knew it would - they figured Hillary (the heir apparent) would race in with a rescue. That would be single-payer, which the country, in arms over the failed Ocare, would then be willing to accept. It's classic Alinsky.