USNWR College Rankings 2018 - Reactions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, college salary analysis are meaningless unless accounted for by interests and fields.

Mudd tends to have the highest starting salaries of any of the LACs due to its STEM focus.

Colgate, W&L, CMC, and Williams generally round up the next five, largely because they heavily send graduates into business and finance.

Schools like Oberlin and Vassar do poorly overall since a lot of their students go to public service, community engagement, and non-profit work. But I'd be willing to bet those who're working in finance or the tech industry are earning similar amounts of money.

The best way to land a job working in finance is to play lacrosse in college.

Yup. Outside of doing well at Wharton undergrad, that is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, college salary analysis are meaningless unless accounted for by interests and fields.

Mudd tends to have the highest starting salaries of any of the LACs due to its STEM focus.

Colgate, W&L, CMC, and Williams generally round up the next five, largely because they heavily send graduates into business and finance.

Schools like Oberlin and Vassar do poorly overall since a lot of their students go to public service, community engagement, and non-profit work. But I'd be willing to bet those who're working in finance or the tech industry are earning similar amounts of money.

The best way to land a job working in finance is to play lacrosse in college.

Yup. Outside of doing well at Wharton undergrad, that is.

Or joining a frat at Dartmouth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Take time to understand the evolution of the USNEWS metrics and you'll appreciate why USNEWS is the only ranking that matters.

It only matters to the money makers who perpetuate the lie. USNWR and certain college presidents scratch each other's backs so they both make out in the rankings. The metrics are bogus and manipulated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Take time to understand the evolution of the USNEWS metrics and you'll appreciate why USNEWS is the only ranking that matters.

It only matters to the money makers who perpetuate the lie. USNWR and certain college presidents scratch each other's backs so they both make out in the rankings. The metrics are bogus and manipulated.

Actually there have been some scandals where schools manipulated stats to rise in the USNWR ranks, and deans and others ended up resigning.

To my mind, the real scammers are the College Board who sell your kid SATs, APs, and then SAT Subject Tests, and the colleges fall in line and require these tests. And then all the test prep books to go with. The SAT Subject Tests in particular drove me nuts, after my kid had already submitted AP scores in the same or similar subjects, knowing in advance that the school didn't even give AP credit and the only purpose of taking those tests was to demonstrate rigor for the application process.

[Anonymous]

Happy to see my alma mater ranked #1 another year. It truly is the best damn place of all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Happy to see my alma mater ranked #1 another year. It truly is the best damn place of all.

The only people who choose P are the ones who wanted HYPS but were rejected by the others. The grade deflation makes students miserable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happy to see my alma mater ranked #1 another year. It truly is the best damn place of all.

The only people who choose P are the ones who wanted HYPS but were rejected by the others. The grade deflation makes students miserable.

Why are people on this board so nasty and vile? Posts like yours make me wish this board had an "ignore user by IP" function.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Take time to understand the evolution of the USNEWS metrics and you'll appreciate why USNEWS is the only ranking that matters.

It only matters to the money makers who perpetuate the lie. USNWR and certain college presidents scratch each other's backs so they both make out in the rankings. The metrics are bogus and manipulated.

Actually there have been some scandals where schools manipulated stats to rise in the USNWR ranks, and deans and others ended up resigning.

To my mind, the real scammers are the College Board who sell your kid SATs, APs, and then SAT Subject Tests, and the colleges fall in line and require these tests. And then all the test prep books to go with. The SAT Subject Tests in particular drove me nuts, after my kid had already submitted AP scores in the same or similar subjects, knowing in advance that the school didn't even give AP credit and the only purpose of taking those tests was to demonstrate rigor for the application process.

True. The Collegeboard claims to be a nonprofit. I am sure the leader David Coleman is doing just fine as his nonprofit creates a billion dollar industry for test preppers. I looked into test prep for my kid and they wanted $3500. Such a scam. There is nothing fair and equal about the college education process in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Take time to understand the evolution of the USNEWS metrics and you'll appreciate why USNEWS is the only ranking that matters.

It only matters to the money makers who perpetuate the lie. USNWR and certain college presidents scratch each other's backs so they both make out in the rankings. The metrics are bogus and manipulated.

Actually there have been some scandals where schools manipulated stats to rise in the USNWR ranks, and deans and others ended up resigning.

To my mind, the real scammers are the College Board who sell your kid SATs, APs, and then SAT Subject Tests, and the colleges fall in line and require these tests. And then all the test prep books to go with. The SAT Subject Tests in particular drove me nuts, after my kid had already submitted AP scores in the same or similar subjects, knowing in advance that the school didn't even give AP credit and the only purpose of taking those tests was to demonstrate rigor for the application process.

True. The Collegeboard claims to be a nonprofit. I am sure the leader David Coleman is doing just fine as his nonprofit creates a billion dollar industry for test preppers. I looked into test prep for my kid and they wanted $3500. Such a scam. There is nothing fair and equal about the college education process in this country.

So "the swamp" extends beyond the DMV? Imagine that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Take time to understand the evolution of the USNEWS metrics and you'll appreciate why USNEWS is the only ranking that matters.

It only matters to the money makers who perpetuate the lie. USNWR and certain college presidents scratch each other's backs so they both make out in the rankings. The metrics are bogus and manipulated.

Actually there have been some scandals where schools manipulated stats to rise in the USNWR ranks, and deans and others ended up resigning.

To my mind, the real scammers are the College Board who sell your kid SATs, APs, and then SAT Subject Tests, and the colleges fall in line and require these tests. And then all the test prep books to go with. The SAT Subject Tests in particular drove me nuts, after my kid had already submitted AP scores in the same or similar subjects, knowing in advance that the school didn't even give AP credit and the only purpose of taking those tests was to demonstrate rigor for the application process.

True. The Collegeboard claims to be a nonprofit. I am sure the leader David Coleman is doing just fine as his nonprofit creates a billion dollar industry for test preppers. I looked into test prep for my kid and they wanted $3500. Such a scam. There is nothing fair and equal about the college education process in this country.

So "the swamp" extends beyond the DMV? Imagine that.

I wish there was some test in say 10th grade that people took once that was impossible to test for that determined the testing portion of college admissions instead of the s%^show we have now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Take time to understand the evolution of the USNEWS metrics and you'll appreciate why USNEWS is the only ranking that matters.

It only matters to the money makers who perpetuate the lie. USNWR and certain college presidents scratch each other's backs so they both make out in the rankings. The metrics are bogus and manipulated.

Actually there have been some scandals where schools manipulated stats to rise in the USNWR ranks, and deans and others ended up resigning.

To my mind, the real scammers are the College Board who sell your kid SATs, APs, and then SAT Subject Tests, and the colleges fall in line and require these tests. And then all the test prep books to go with. The SAT Subject Tests in particular drove me nuts, after my kid had already submitted AP scores in the same or similar subjects, knowing in advance that the school didn't even give AP credit and the only purpose of taking those tests was to demonstrate rigor for the application process.

True. The Collegeboard claims to be a nonprofit. I am sure the leader David Coleman is doing just fine as his nonprofit creates a billion dollar industry for test preppers. I looked into test prep for my kid and they wanted $3500. Such a scam. There is nothing fair and equal about the college education process in this country.

So "the swamp" extends beyond the DMV? Imagine that.

I wish there was some test in say 10th grade that people took once that was impossible to test for that determined the testing portion of college admissions instead of the s%^show we have now

You mean like the proprietary tests MoCo magnets use for the high school magnets? They take that in 8th grade though.

Also, kids mature a whole lot between 10th and 12th grades. I know mine did. So maybe have it start of senior year. Then you just have to figure out how to make it neutral by social class (i.e. UMC kids do better on vocab tests because their parents used the words).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Weight
75% SAT Scores
25% starting salaries

Would be a good measure.

Nope.
1. You take the SAT in HS
2. SAT scores only tell you (in general) that you are a good test taker or/and have a high SES.
SAT scores do not tell how good a college is and should be used in any college rankings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weight
75% SAT Scores
25% starting salaries

Would be a good measure.

Nope.
1. You take the SAT in HS
2. SAT scores only tell you (in general) that you are a good test taker or/and have a high SES.
SAT scores do not tell how good a college is and should be used in any college rankings.

I'm not a huge fan of the SAT bias towards upper middle class kids. But there is a big difference in a peer group with scores of 1500 vs. 1200, and it's not all about test-taking abilities or parental SES. Big differences are useful information.

[Anonymous]

The small private the Brunswick School in Greenwich with a class size around 70 had 7 students going to UPenn and about half the class going to other top ten schools. So disproportionate to the average school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The small private the Brunswick School in Greenwich with a class size around 70 had 7 students going to UPenn and about half the class going to other top ten schools. So disproportionate to the average school.

Greenwich, huh? Super-wealthy parents + well-connected school counselors = college admissions success.