To you, what's the bottom of the "elite" colleges?

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+2. Who is this person? I've been looking at this stuff for years now and I've seen Chicago and Columbia as the C, never CalTech. CalTech is a great school, but it's not liberal arts the way even MIT approaches for non-STEM majors. You can't lump it on with the liberal arts schools and claim it's absolutely better than many nationally-recognized liberal arts school.

HYPSM refers to the most prestigious schools in the country. Columbia and UChicago are not part of this group, they do not offer anything different from HYPSM, they are not better than HYPSM in any way. Caltech is niche and is better or as good as some of HYPSM in that specific niche area. That is why it is included. That is also why MIT is included. Columbia and Chicago have never been thought of on par with HYPSM.

just do a google search of HYPSMC and see what comes up:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HYPSMC
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/HYPSMC
http://www.yourdictionary.com/hypsmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJajpJGsuYE

Oh my goodness. You need to lay off the CalTech Koolaid. No amount of open-source links (edited by you or other alums?) is going to make it the C in that acronym, though. Go to College Confodential and you'll see many more people agreeing it's either Columbia or UChicago.

It must kill you to have to put MIT's "M" in that acronym before you can add CalTech without people laughing at you.

As you say yourself, CalTech is a great niche school. So is Julliard, with an acceptance rate of 6% which is lower than CalTech's 9%. So is the Curtis Institute of Music, with an acceptance rate of 4%. Both Julliard and Curtis have kids who are at the very tops of their fields, just like CalTech. But would you say these schools belong on a comparison that includes HYP, or even in the same group that includes UChicago and Columbia? Of course not. Apples and oranges.

You're as obnoxious as the Pomona and UMD boosters. Sorry CalTech is ranked #12 this year. But you need to get over it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you care so much? If you were to do a side by side comparison of all the schools, each would be found better in some ways than others in the same group. Colleges rise and fall based on how well they are minding the shop.

PP here. This x 1,000,000. The CalTech and Pomona posters trying to jack their schools a few notches up an already elite list are missing the point completely. CalTech is totally wrong for more kids than Columbia will ever be, Columbia is wrong for many kids, and UChicago is also wrong for many kids. CalTech is probably wrong for the most kids, but for the few that get in, it's really right.

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Does Harvard care that USNWR put it behind Princeton? Of course not. They'd care if they dropped below #5 of #10. But a step or two makes zero difference.

All this quibbling about whether CalTech deserves to be ranked alongside HYP is beneath CalTech's dignity.

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Anonymous wrote:TRULY "elite" - let's be honest:

Princeton University (NJ)
Harvard University (MA)
Yale University (CT) (tie)
Columbia University (NY) (tie)
Stanford University (CA) (tie)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology

That's it folks - those are the ONLY schools that are so elite they NEVER require explanation.

Of course Penn's Wharton School and Cornell's Hotel school are elite - but that's the point you have to specify the particular program. The other Top 25 schools are terrific, but there are NOT in the same class.

I liked how you snuck Columbia in there.

Hasn't Columbia been harder to get into than Yale or Princeton for the last several years?

Columbia has not been harder to get in than Yale or Princeton. Acceptance rate does not equal selectivity. Columbia gets many many extra applicants due to its NYC location, many of which are not qualified, they just apply to the only ivy in NYC.

Truth is no one really thinks of Columbia as on par with HYPSM.

You obviously don't. But in fact many others do.

Most people definitely do not place Columbia on that tier. If there is any school that approaches HYPSM status is Caltech. Hence the occasional use of HYPSMC instead of HYPSM (C meaning Caltech, never Columbia). Columbia is just not on that tier. Look at the rankings, look at the cross admit splits, look at the yield rate, look at endowment, the fact that it has ED and not SCEA etc etc etc.

You might want it to be on par with HYPSM, but it sure isn't. It is a top 10 school, just not part of the ultra elite club that is HYPSM. Its peers are other lower top 10 schools like Caltech, UPenn, Chicago.

I've never heard of Caltech.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And you are?

+2. Who is this person? I've been looking at this stuff for years now and I've seen Chicago and Columbia as the C, never CalTech. CalTech is a great school, but it's not liberal arts the way even MIT approaches for non-STEM majors. You can't lump it on with the liberal arts schools and claim it's absolutely better than many nationally-recognized liberal arts school.

HYPSM refers to the most prestigious schools in the country. Columbia and UChicago are not part of this group, they do not offer anything different from HYPSM, they are not better than HYPSM in any way. Caltech is niche and is better or as good as some of HYPSM in that specific niche area. That is why it is included. That is also why MIT is included. Columbia and Chicago have never been thought of on par with HYPSM.

just do a google search of HYPSMC and see what comes up:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HYPSMC
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/HYPSMC
http://www.yourdictionary.com/hypsmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJajpJGsuYE

CalTech doesn't bring anything MIT didn't already bring in spades. Your point? This is getting silly.

[Anonymous]

Where the tuition is low but the ROI is high and programs are ranked high = Georgia Tech + football!!!! I am a ramblin' wreck from Georgia tech, a helluva, helluva,helluva engineer!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And you are?

+2. Who is this person? I've been looking at this stuff for years now and I've seen Chicago and Columbia as the C, never CalTech. CalTech is a great school, but it's not liberal arts the way even MIT approaches for non-STEM majors. You can't lump it on with the liberal arts schools and claim it's absolutely better than many nationally-recognized liberal arts school.

HYPSM refers to the most prestigious schools in the country. Columbia and UChicago are not part of this group, they do not offer anything different from HYPSM, they are not better than HYPSM in any way. Caltech is niche and is better or as good as some of HYPSM in that specific niche area. That is why it is included. That is also why MIT is included. Columbia and Chicago have never been thought of on par with HYPSM.

just do a google search of HYPSMC and see what comes up:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HYPSMC
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/HYPSMC
http://www.yourdictionary.com/hypsmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJajpJGsuYE

CalTech doesn't bring anything MIT didn't already bring in spades. Your point? This is getting silly.

Caltech is as good as MIT for STEM and better than the other HYPSM schools. Columbia, or Chicago or any other top school is not as good or better than HYPSM at any field. At any field there is at least one or more HYPSM schools that are better. Also the prestige Caltech has in STEM, Columbia and Chicago do not have in any field. Yes it is getting silly if people are blind to facts. Also just click the links above or do a google search to see what HYPSMC stands for.

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You are judging on graduate school excellence and not on how well the topics are taught at the undergraduate level.

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Anonymous wrote:You are judging on graduate school excellence and not on how well the topics are taught at the undergraduate level.

Well sure, if we define "elite" the way that helps us. I dunno, only undergrad but no bigger picture that would include grad (where all the internationally reknowned research happens). Toss out USNWR and admissions stats, and focus on cross-school choices. Maybe require that the school be located in California (hello Pomona and CalTech boosters).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And you are?

+2. Who is this person? I've been looking at this stuff for years now and I've seen Chicago and Columbia as the C, never CalTech. CalTech is a great school, but it's not liberal arts the way even MIT approaches for non-STEM majors. You can't lump it on with the liberal arts schools and claim it's absolutely better than many nationally-recognized liberal arts school.

HYPSM refers to the most prestigious schools in the country. Columbia and UChicago are not part of this group, they do not offer anything different from HYPSM, they are not better than HYPSM in any way. Caltech is niche and is better or as good as some of HYPSM in that specific niche area. That is why it is included. That is also why MIT is included. Columbia and Chicago have never been thought of on par with HYPSM.

just do a google search of HYPSMC and see what comes up:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HYPSMC
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/HYPSMC
http://www.yourdictionary.com/hypsmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJajpJGsuYE

CalTech doesn't bring anything MIT didn't already bring in spades. Your point? This is getting silly.

Caltech is as good as MIT for STEM and better than the other HYPSM schools. Columbia, or Chicago or any other top school is not as good or better than HYPSM at any field. At any field there is at least one or more HYPSM schools that are better. Also the prestige Caltech has in STEM, Columbia and Chicago do not have in any field. Yes it is getting silly if people are blind to facts. Also just click the links above or do a google search to see what HYPSMC stands for.

Oh FFS you are delusional. Columbia and UChicago are great schools on par with the best, as is CalTech. Go wave your CalTech pennant around in your bedroom, you're getting tiresome to everybody here. USNWR ranks it 12th, end of story.

[Anonymous]

CalTech is tops for computer repairs and desktop support. "Help desk how can I help?"

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Anonymous wrote:CalTech is tops for computer repairs and desktop support. "Help desk how can I help?"

Just, no, LOL. Can you just stop posting? Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:CalTech is tops for computer repairs and desktop support. "Help desk how can I help?"

Just, no, LOL. Can you just stop posting? Thanks.

Not that PP, but maybe if you weren't so crass about trying to shovel CalTech into HYP territory, she wouldn't have gone there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CalTech is tops for computer repairs and desktop support. "Help desk how can I help?"

Just, no, LOL. Can you just stop posting? Thanks.

Not that PP, but maybe if you weren't so crass about trying to shovel CalTech into HYP territory, she wouldn't have gone there.

In other words, the CalTech booster should think about taking a break herself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And you are?

+2. Who is this person? I've been looking at this stuff for years now and I've seen Chicago and Columbia as the C, never CalTech. CalTech is a great school, but it's not liberal arts the way even MIT approaches for non-STEM majors. You can't lump it on with the liberal arts schools and claim it's absolutely better than many nationally-recognized liberal arts school.

HYPSM refers to the most prestigious schools in the country. Columbia and UChicago are not part of this group, they do not offer anything different from HYPSM, they are not better than HYPSM in any way. Caltech is niche and is better or as good as some of HYPSM in that specific niche area. That is why it is included. That is also why MIT is included. Columbia and Chicago have never been thought of on par with HYPSM.

just do a google search of HYPSMC and see what comes up:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HYPSMC
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/HYPSMC
http://www.yourdictionary.com/hypsmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJajpJGsuYE

CalTech doesn't bring anything MIT didn't already bring in spades. Your point? This is getting silly.

Caltech is as good as MIT for STEM and better than the other HYPSM schools. Columbia, or Chicago or any other top school is not as good or better than HYPSM at any field. At any field there is at least one or more HYPSM schools that are better. Also the prestige Caltech has in STEM, Columbia and Chicago do not have in any field. Yes it is getting silly if people are blind to facts. Also just click the links above or do a google search to see what HYPSMC stands for.

Columbia and UChicago don't have "prestige" in a single academic field? You're nuts. And ignorant of anything besides STEM.