Swastika tattoos and waterpark

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I bet all the racist "free speech" PPs would sing a different tune if the guy was, say, wearing a shirt offensive to women. How about with a print showing man dragging a woman by her hair, with the caption "Bitches are for beating and raping"? Y'all would lose it. I mean, people lose their sh!t when they see a woman breastfeeding in public, but swastikas at a children's park are OK? SMDH

PP, when you wander all over with your generalizations and faux comparisons you completely negate it all.

FYI, I tolerate racists, misogynistic media called rap that doesn't seem to be a problem for millions of Americans. And I see NO difference between a racist swastika tattooed skinhead and the person putting out that trash rap. None.

Easy guess that you're white.

And you tolerate racist, mysoginistic rap at the Waterpark when you're there with your kids? Ha ha!

Even though it's irrelevant, but apparently not to you, I grew up in an area that for some years I was subjected to racism. Epithets, shunning and even physical assault that only stopped after we moved away.

As for your last example, hell no I wouldn't. Why? I can look away from the tattooed man but the music would be an assault that can't be ignored. And while I believe in free speech I wouldn't tolerate that man verbally spewing hatred in a place such as the WP. So, I tolerate the right of others to engage in activities etc. that I find repugnant but cannot infringe upon my freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:What do you mean what would I have done? I think it's disgusting and deplorable, but I wouldn't have done anything. If my kids asked about it, I would have told them that it's a symbol of hate, and that he is an ignorant man.
This is America. There is freedom of speech and he was expressing his beliefs. Hopefully most will alienate him for those beliefs.
If he was white, I'd assume he'd been in prison and gotten them as a mark for his prison gang to help protect him. Either way, not someone I'd care to associate with.

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Anonymous wrote:Op. The man was a ~60 year old white man.

Typical Hindu convert!

- or former convict; possibly a former member of a prison gang.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an interesting situation (horribly disturbing but interesting). Going to ask my husband in the morning what he would do in this situation. We are Jewish and, while we personally have heard subtle anti-Semitic jabs, neither of us have witnessed it overtly in our faces.

The irony is that DH has a Star of David tattoo on his forearm.

Your Jewish husband has a tattoo?

Reformed?

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Let's talk about the real problem at waterparks...

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Anonymous wrote:I have an AA child. This would ruin the waterpark experience for me. It just would, even though the guy is not doing anything.
Just like when I was in DC last year and there was a man holding a sign saying " God hates Fags" I was with DD and it just gives you a bad feeling....

There are plenty of people without tattoos who are racists, they just? don't advertise it, but live their whole life along those lines (white neighborhood, white schools, white fitness clubs, basically token minorities only here and there in their life). You would never know, but openly expressing one guy will ruin the experience?

+1. As a mom of mixed race kids myself, I would much rather know that someone is a tool and avoid them than invest time and energy only to find out later.

You're the perfect example why white people should really educate themselves about race relations before having mixed race kids. You might not realize it now, but your kids will judge you for this kind of attitude (if they don't already.)

- A biracial person

PP here, and I would welcome an explanation of how this kind of attitude is problematic. I learned this principle from my AA husband, and it made sense to me. I also know as much about race relations as a white person can (worked at a number of community organizations in minority communities, worked abroad in minority communities, etc).

DH's view is that he would prefer to know who is open to him and who is not, so that he can more squarely address racism head on instead of trying to ferret out and dispel the biases that people don't even admit they hold.

Sorry, I was harsh, I thought your "would much rather know that someone is a tool" referred to the swastika tatoo. Maybe that's not what you meant.

Talk to your husband about this particular scenario. A swastika tatoo in a waterpark for children, brazenly displayed = psychological assault on POCs there. It wouldn't roll off my back the way it would for Whites. You say to "avoid" so that means leaving a line once that guy joins it? Leaving the food court once he gets in? Refusing to share a ride with him? Do you see how onerous this "avoidance" would be for POC? And what if this emboldens others and there will be 20 like him at the next park visit?

I bet all the racist "free speech" PPs would sing a different tune if the guy was, say, wearing a shirt offensive to women. How about with a print showing man dragging a woman by her hair, with the caption "Bitches are for beating and raping"? Y'all would lose it. I mean, people lose their sh!t when they see a woman breastfeeding in public, but swastikas at a children's park are OK? SMDH

PP again. Well, I'm Jewish, so I feel like I have as much right as you to feel psychologically assaulted. By avoid, I mean only not engage with the person actively. I wouldn't leave a line or anything else, but I wouldn't try to strike up a friendship - thus the reference to investing energy into a person only to find out later that they have racist underpinnings.

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Anonymous wrote:I would just stay very far away from him. Reminds me of those people with the yellow Virginia license plates. Scary.

x1000

THIS.

Don't be absurd. Now you are all sounding like bigots.

I'm a black immigrant mom with a black husband and black daughters. Don't tell me I'm being absurd.

I'm not black but I've witnessed that racism is still alive and thriving in VA. It's disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:It's an interesting situation (horribly disturbing but interesting). Going to ask my husband in the morning what he would do in this situation. We are Jewish and, while we personally have heard subtle anti-Semitic jabs, neither of us have witnessed it overtly in our faces.

The irony is that DH has a Star of David tattoo on his forearm.

Your Jewish husband has a tattoo?

Reformed?

There's no such thing as a "reformed Jew." The word is "Reform."

Tattoo laws were loosened after the forced tattooing during the Holocaust.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's an interesting situation (horribly disturbing but interesting). Going to ask my husband in the morning what he would do in this situation. We are Jewish and, while we personally have heard subtle anti-Semitic jabs, neither of us have witnessed it overtly in our faces.

The irony is that DH has a Star of David tattoo on his forearm.

Your Jewish husband has a tattoo?

Reformed?

NP here, and a Christian. He has a Star of David tattoo? I think that is awesome.

Long live American freedom of religion and freedom of expression.

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Anonymous wrote:I would just stay very far away from him. Reminds me of those people with the yellow Virginia license plates. Scary.

x1000

THIS.

Don't be absurd. Now you are all sounding like bigots.

I'm a black immigrant mom with a black husband and black daughters. Don't tell me I'm being absurd.

I'm not black but I've witnessed that racism is still alive and thriving in VA. It's disgusting.

Oh, right. Because there isn't any in Maryland. What a bunch of morons you all are. And absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an AA child. This would ruin the waterpark experience for me. It just would, even though the guy is not doing anything.
Just like when I was in DC last year and there was a man holding a sign saying " God hates Fags" I was with DD and it just gives you a bad feeling....

There are plenty of people without tattoos who are racists, they just? don't advertise it, but live their whole life along those lines (white neighborhood, white schools, white fitness clubs, basically token minorities only here and there in their life). You would never know, but openly expressing one guy will ruin the experience?

+1. As a mom of mixed race kids myself, I would much rather know that someone is a tool and avoid them than invest time and energy only to find out later.

You're the perfect example why white people should really educate themselves about race relations before having mixed race kids. You might not realize it now, but your kids will judge you for this kind of attitude (if they don't already.)

- A biracial person

PP here, and I would welcome an explanation of how this kind of attitude is problematic. I learned this principle from my AA husband, and it made sense to me. I also know as much about race relations as a white person can (worked at a number of community organizations in minority communities, worked abroad in minority communities, etc).

DH's view is that he would prefer to know who is open to him and who is not, so that he can more squarely address racism head on instead of trying to ferret out and dispel the biases that people don't even admit they hold.

Sorry, I was harsh, I thought your "would much rather know that someone is a tool" referred to the swastika tatoo. Maybe that's not what you meant.

Talk to your husband about this particular scenario. A swastika tatoo in a waterpark for children, brazenly displayed = psychological assault on POCs there. It wouldn't roll off my back the way it would for Whites. You say to "avoid" so that means leaving a line once that guy joins it? Leaving the food court once he gets in? Refusing to share a ride with him? Do you see how onerous this "avoidance" would be for POC? And what if this emboldens others and there will be 20 like him at the next park visit?

I bet all the racist "free speech" PPs would sing a different tune if the guy was, say, wearing a shirt offensive to women. How about with a print showing man dragging a woman by her hair, with the caption "Bitches are for beating and raping"? Y'all would lose it. I mean, people lose their sh!t when they see a woman breastfeeding in public, but swastikas at a children's park are OK? SMDH

PP again. Well, I'm Jewish, so I feel like I have as much right as you to feel psychologically assaulted. By avoid, I mean only not engage with the person actively. I wouldn't leave a line or anything else, but I wouldn't try to strike up a friendship - thus the reference to investing energy into a person only to find out later that they have racist underpinnings.

You sure do. But, unless you display your Jewishness (like the star of David PP) you are not a sitting duck obvious type of victim like a POC.

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Anonymous wrote:Op. The man was a ~60 year old white man.

OP, where was this? Like a PP said, it's hard to imagine him in a DMV water park where so many POC go.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It's an interesting situation (horribly disturbing but interesting). Going to ask my husband in the morning what he would do in this situation. We are Jewish and, while we personally have heard subtle anti-Semitic jabs, neither of us have witnessed it overtly in our faces.

The irony is that DH has a Star of David tattoo on his forearm.

Your Jewish husband has a tattoo?

Reformed?

NP here, and a Christian. He has a Star of David tattoo? I think that is awesome.

Long live American freedom of religion and freedom of expression.

Yup. And, "Am Yisrael Chai" in Hebrew underneath. Believe it or not, we go to Chabad! We aren't observant ourselves but our kids love the Hebrew school and are learning so much about Judaism and reading and writing Hebrew.

If you go to the beaches in Israel, there are tons of tattoos. His parents were horrified but younger Jews today are much more comfortable with tattoos.

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Anonymous wrote:Was he white or indian? An indian guy told me once he wanted to get a swatiska tattoo because it's actually their ancient symbol but hestitated due to people like the OP. Was the guy a skinhead or dark?

People. This is so stupid. Op wouldn't have posted this if it was an indian. My child had a play date at a friend's house recently and they are Hindu. I saw a tiny swastika by the front door frame when I picked her up. I definitely understood that was an entirely different species of swastika than had I picked her up at a white family's house and seen red flags with black swastikas hanging in the living room.

Come on, you know they're gaslighting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I bet all the racist "free speech" PPs would sing a different tune if the guy was, say, wearing a shirt offensive to women. How about with a print showing man dragging a woman by her hair, with the caption "Bitches are for beating and raping"? Y'all would lose it. I mean, people lose their sh!t when they see a woman breastfeeding in public, but swastikas at a children's park are OK? SMDH

PP, when you wander all over with your generalizations and faux comparisons you completely negate it all.

FYI, I tolerate racists, misogynistic media called rap that doesn't seem to be a problem for millions of Americans. And I see NO difference between a racist swastika tattooed skinhead and the person putting out that trash rap. None.

Easy guess that you're white.

And you tolerate racist, mysoginistic rap at the Waterpark when you're there with your kids? Ha ha!

Even though it's irrelevant, but apparently not to you, I grew up in an area that for some years I was subjected to racism. Epithets, shunning and even physical assault that only stopped after we moved away.

As for your last example, hell no I wouldn't. Why? I can look away from the tattooed man but the music would be an assault that can't be ignored. And while I believe in free speech I wouldn't tolerate that man verbally spewing hatred in a place such as the WP. So, I tolerate the right of others to engage in activities etc. that I find repugnant but cannot infringe upon my freedom.

So you're a hypocrite.
"I tolerate racists, misogynistic media called rap that doesn't seem to be a problem for millions of Americans. And[b] I see NO difference between a racist swastika tattooed skinhead and the person putting out that trash rap. None.l