Fake News NWDC edition - too appalled to even shake my head

[Anonymous]

So far, Trump doesn't seem to be good for smalle businesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's most disturbing to me is that every piece of evidence showing that this is not true just because a piece of the conspiracy for believers. Short of shutting down the internet I really don't see how you can combat this garbage

This is silly. We don't need to shut down the damn Internet.

While there is obviously no child abuse going on here, there was evidence of some kind of weird secrecy or creepiness. This sort of thing (even when there's nothing actually reprehensible underlying it), once made known, will tend to lead to unfortunate rumors and conspiracies if powerful and prominent people are even tangentially connected. The world was ever thus.

This isn't "blaming the victim." Sometimes it's best not to post photos of little kids taped down to your restaurant's tables. For the same reasons that I don't want my daughter to ever go around town without wearing clothing. There's just a good chance it might lead to something unfortunate.

Also, for those of you who are interested in exploring root causes rather than just dismissing people as crazy: My guess is that it doesn't help that the mainstream media really has gotten a lot wrong over recent years. They treated Hillary's win over Trump as an inevitability, as the most obvious, recent example. And the Post's PropOrNot piece was laughable as credible journalism.

[Anonymous]

Did they really post pictures of kids taped to tables? Gee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So far, Trump doesn't seem to be good for smalle businesses.

He is only good for himself, such a special snowflake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did they really post pictures of kids taped to tables? Gee.

I'm PP. I should have been more accurate. It wasn't multiple kids. It was a single toddler, and she didn't look to be distressed or anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Edgar M. Welch said in an arraignment released on Monday that he had read online that the Comet Ping Pong restaurant in Northwest Washington was “harboring child sex slaves, and he wanted to see for himself if they were there,” according to court documents.

He was armed to help rescue children but surrendered peacefully “when he found no evidence that underage children were being harbored in the restaurant.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/business/media/comet-ping-pong-pizza-shooting-fake-news-consequences.html?smid=tw-share

This is not that bad, people. He just wanted to be sure it was OK in there.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's most disturbing to me is that every piece of evidence showing that this is not true just because a piece of the conspiracy for believers. Short of shutting down the internet I really don't see how you can combat this garbage

This is silly. We don't need to shut down the damn Internet.

While there is obviously no child abuse going on here, there was evidence of some kind of weird secrecy or creepiness. This sort of thing (even when there's nothing actually reprehensible underlying it), once made known, will tend to lead to unfortunate rumors and conspiracies if powerful and prominent people are even tangentially connected. The world was ever thus.

This isn't "blaming the victim." Sometimes it's best not to post photos of little kids taped down to your restaurant's tables. For the same reasons that I don't want my daughter to ever go around town without wearing clothing. There's just a good chance it might lead to something unfortunate.

Also, for those of you who are interested in exploring root causes rather than just dismissing people as crazy: My guess is that it doesn't help that the mainstream media really has gotten a lot wrong over recent years. They treated Hillary's win over Trump as an inevitability, as the most obvious, recent example. And the Post's PropOrNot piece was laughable as credible journalism.

Have you ever once been to Comet PingPing? It's a fun, family friendly restaurant. We love going there. I've never once seen "evidence" of some kind of "weird secrecy." Stop spouting nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's most disturbing to me is that every piece of evidence showing that this is not true just because a piece of the conspiracy for believers. Short of shutting down the internet I really don't see how you can combat this garbage

This is silly. We don't need to shut down the damn Internet.

While there is obviously no child abuse going on here, there was evidence of some kind of weird secrecy or creepiness. This sort of thing (even when there's nothing actually reprehensible underlying it), once made known, will tend to lead to unfortunate rumors and conspiracies if powerful and prominent people are even tangentially connected. The world was ever thus.

This isn't "blaming the victim." Sometimes it's best not to post photos of little kids taped down to your restaurant's tables. For the same reasons that I don't want my daughter to ever go around town without wearing clothing. There's just a good chance it might lead to something unfortunate.

Also, for those of you who are interested in exploring root causes rather than just dismissing people as crazy: My guess is that it doesn't help that the mainstream media really has gotten a lot wrong over recent years. They treated Hillary's win over Trump as an inevitability, as the most obvious, recent example. And the Post's PropOrNot piece was laughable as credible journalism.

Have you ever once been to Comet PingPing? It's a fun, family friendly restaurant. We love going there. I've never once seen "evidence" of some kind of "weird secrecy." Stop spouting nonsense.

Yes, I have been there multiple times. Including with my child. I live not far away. Again, I certainly don't believe anything horrible happened there. But I still wouldn't publicly post some of the photos the owner did. (And my post about weird secrecy was more directed toward the seeming code in the Podesta emails.)

My mom once wanted to put photos of my toddler in the bathtub on FB. I told her that she couldn't. The Internet is forever, and not everyone in the world is good. If I owned a small family-oriented business connected to my posted photos, I probably would have been even more adamant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's most disturbing to me is that every piece of evidence showing that this is not true just because a piece of the conspiracy for believers. Short of shutting down the internet I really don't see how you can combat this garbage

This is silly. We don't need to shut down the damn Internet.

While there is obviously no child abuse going on here, there was evidence of some kind of weird secrecy or creepiness. This sort of thing (even when there's nothing actually reprehensible underlying it), once made known, will tend to lead to unfortunate rumors and conspiracies if powerful and prominent people are even tangentially connected. The world was ever thus.

This isn't "blaming the victim." Sometimes it's best not to post photos of little kids taped down to your restaurant's tables. For the same reasons that I don't want my daughter to ever go around town without wearing clothing. There's just a good chance it might lead to something unfortunate.

Also, for those of you who are interested in exploring root causes rather than just dismissing people as crazy: My guess is that it doesn't help that the mainstream media really has gotten a lot wrong over recent years. They treated Hillary's win over Trump as an inevitability, as the most obvious, recent example. And the Post's PropOrNot piece was laughable as credible journalism.

NO. There wasn't "weird secrecy or creepiness." Pure fabricated bullshit.

Also, yes - the mainstream media has gotten things wrong but the conservative media outlets that people turned to after ditching mainstream media are even worse.

[Anonymous]

discussing whether the owner at comet should have done x, y or z - is really just an elaborate game of deflection or blame the victim. It is just plain wrong. We all want to believe "that they must have done something " to deserve it. Otherwise, we would have to acknowledge that any one of us could be victims of the bizarre hate of a random stranger. But the awful truth is that comet's owners, the employees and the patrons did NOTHiNg to deserve being terrorized. This discussion is being trolled but please stop pretending the crazy propAganda sourced and manAged from a Reddit group merits a pro and con analysis. It is sad and pathetic to blame the owner for being attacked by a Reddit subgroup.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:discussing whether the owner at comet should have done x, y or z - is really just an elaborate game of deflection or blame the victim. It is just plain wrong. We all want to believe "that they must have done something " to deserve it. Otherwise, we would have to acknowledge that any one of us could be victims of the bizarre hate of a random stranger. But the awful truth is that comet's owners, the employees and the patrons did NOTHiNg to deserve being terrorized. This discussion is being trolled but please stop pretending the crazy propAganda sourced and manAged from a Reddit group merits a pro and con analysis. It is sad and pathetic to blame the owner for being attacked by a Reddit subgroup.

Disagree with your initial assertion. I am a female who won't go jogging in DC with headphones on at night. Am I blaming myself for my possible victimhood? Or maybe some things are just a good idea.

I'm not a troll. I'm a real woman with a child who lives down the street off of Connecticut and has never voted for a Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:discussing whether the owner at comet should have done x, y or z - is really just an elaborate game of deflection or blame the victim. It is just plain wrong. We all want to believe "that they must have done something " to deserve it. Otherwise, we would have to acknowledge that any one of us could be victims of the bizarre hate of a random stranger. But the awful truth is that comet's owners, the employees and the patrons did NOTHiNg to deserve being terrorized. This discussion is being trolled but please stop pretending the crazy propAganda sourced and manAged from a Reddit group merits a pro and con analysis. It is sad and pathetic to blame the owner for being attacked by a Reddit subgroup.

I'm a real woman who has often been dismissed. The more you call me a troll, the more I will be interested in this topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Podesta has some unusual taste in art and friends. Biljana Djurdjevic's art is on the edge of cringe-worthy.

https://i.sli.mg/dBY95x.jpg

Is it true that Podesta likes this kind of art? While I don't think there is anything to the Comet Pizza thing, if this is his taste, I can certainly see why some are buzzing.

His brother, Tony, is the art guy. Here he is proudly showing off his foyer sculpture "The Arch of Hysteria" which happens to be the same pose that Jeffrey Dahmer enjoyed framing his victims in, decapitated and all: https://archive.fo/vddrO

WaPo pulled this 2004 article off their site recently, but it lives on in the archives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:discussing whether the owner at comet should have done x, y or z - is really just an elaborate game of deflection or blame the victim. It is just plain wrong. We all want to believe "that they must have done something " to deserve it. Otherwise, we would have to acknowledge that any one of us could be victims of the bizarre hate of a random stranger. But the awful truth is that comet's owners, the employees and the patrons did NOTHiNg to deserve being terrorized. This discussion is being trolled but please stop pretending the crazy propAganda sourced and manAged from a Reddit group merits a pro and con analysis. It is sad and pathetic to blame the owner for being attacked by a Reddit subgroup.

Disagree with your initial assertion. I am a female who won't go jogging in DC with headphones on at night. Am I blaming myself for my possible victimhood? Or maybe some things are just a good idea.

I'm not a troll. I'm a real woman with a child who lives down the street off of Connecticut and has never voted for a Republican.

NP - yes, most of us women operate on the "rape schedule", that's not the point though. Once a woman is attacked, you do not - or should not - start asking whether or not she was jogging at night, with headphones, etc. You should not start saying things, "if only she hadn't worn such a tight shirt."

And by the way, most rapes are aqcuainatance rapes, not scary-man-in-the-bushes-rape, but even stranger rapes happen during the day.

There is no reasonable discussion here that includes the sentence "well if only Comet hadn't...." This was a crazy lie believed by crazy people. Those who do not denounce it and who try to accommodate the crazy are just making it worse by validating it. End of story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's most disturbing to me is that every piece of evidence showing that this is not true just because a piece of the conspiracy for believers. Short of shutting down the internet I really don't see how you can combat this garbage

This is silly. We don't need to shut down the damn Internet.

While there is obviously no child abuse going on here, there was evidence of some kind of weird secrecy or creepiness. This sort of thing (even when there's nothing actually reprehensible underlying it), once made known, will tend to lead to unfortunate rumors and conspiracies if powerful and prominent people are even tangentially connected. The world was ever thus.

This isn't "blaming the victim." Sometimes it's best not to post photos of little kids taped down to your restaurant's tables. For the same reasons that I don't want my daughter to ever go around town without wearing clothing. There's just a good chance it might lead to something unfortunate.

Also, for those of you who are interested in exploring root causes rather than just dismissing people as crazy: My guess is that it doesn't help that the mainstream media really has gotten a lot wrong over recent years. They treated Hillary's win over Trump as an inevitability, as the most obvious, recent example. And the Post's PropOrNot piece was laughable as credible journalism.

Have you ever once been to Comet PingPing? It's a fun, family friendly restaurant. We love going there. I've never once seen "evidence" of some kind of "weird secrecy." Stop spouting nonsense.

Yes, I have been there multiple times. Including with my child. I live not far away. Again, I certainly don't believe anything horrible happened there. But I still wouldn't publicly post some of the photos the owner did. (And my post about weird secrecy was more directed toward the seeming code in the Podesta emails.)

My mom once wanted to put photos of my toddler in the bathtub on FB. I told her that she couldn't. The Internet is forever, and not everyone in the world is good. If I owned a small family-oriented business connected to my posted photos, I probably would have been even more adamant.

It doesn't help that Podesta's art included works by Katy Grannan. Look her stuff up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43480-2004Sep22_3.html
the Wa Po, folks - not some "fake news" site/source

Not always. Folks attending a house tour in the Lake Barcroft neighborhood in Falls Church earlier this year got an eyeful when they walked into a bedroom at the Podesta residence hung with multiple color pictures by Katy Grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents' suburban homes.

And as far as Marina Abramovic's spirit cooking is concerned (bc I went down the rabbit hole), her art is pretty gross. She used pig's blood in one video as a substitute for menstrual fluid that was "necessary" for her spirit cooking. So you can say she's either very dynamic and unique, or you can call her sick.

Apparently, there was a painting in Podesta's office showing two men cannibalizing a third - all three, I believe, in suits. not sure of the sourcing for that one, however

But once Wikileaks went public and viral, it opened up quite a few doors that attracted conspiracy theorists.