APS Boundary tool--anyone get it to work yet?

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my problem. I've tried this 100 different ways, and I cannot get the numbers "green" across all years without moving at least one of the 35xx units (the ones closest to Wakefield on Columbia Pike). Moving any other combination gets me either too few kids in 2017 or too many in 2020. This is because most PLs have very few kids who will move for the 2017 year except those very densely populated units.

Has anyone been able to do this? Make numbers green for every year and NOT move at least one of these units?

Merely trying to get the numbers to work for that option!

I'm the PP who posted the option sending Ft Myer and some others to Wakefield while leaving the WL units south of 50 in place. I also tried it 100 different ways and couldn't get all green although my map did get all green for every school every year except for the first year out at Wakefield when it was slightly under (a fraction).

The numbers just don't play out right - none of the units that are able to be switched to Wakefield have enough kids in them the first 1-2 years to dramatically raise the population now without showing huge numbers and going into the red in 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people who are focused on re-distributing the poverty to the other 2 HSs able to do it? I am curious what their proposals might look like.
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Start moving the western planning units in play to Yorktown. The more you add, the more the units south of there (also in play) become eligible for Yorktown. You have a make a contiguous path to Yorktown to move them. But you can move units all the way south to columbia pike.

In addition, it helps to move the units in the Henry and Hoffman-Boston zones that go to W-L into Wakefield. Most of these units do not have high poverty levels and this move has the benefit of keeping those kids together all the way from ES-MS-HS. Plus they are bused to HS already.

Yes - this is what I did in the example I posted earlier.

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I agree. Leaders should lead and make the unpopular decisions, instead of leaving it to a community that thinks nothing of segregation when little Johnny may not get to go all the way through ES, MS, and HS with all of the same kids.

Oh please don't sound so holier than thou. It's not wrong that many people don't put demographic diversity at the top of their list when balancing multiple competing factors. To me it's a nice-to-have, for my own child I have other factors that are more important. In this case, many families zoned for W-L worry about losing IB access, which was a prime reason they bought in a W-L zone. For some, they do want community continuity for their children and families. For some, they see no reason to attend a school 50% further away when there is at least one and possibly two HS closer. And yes, some people do look at a school's performance or FARMS rate and want to send their kid to a school that is already high-performing rather than having their kid be one of those there to help improve it.

FWIW, My planning unit is not in play this go-around but I'm watching the issue closely.

And that, folks, is the definition of white privilege.

Hi there. NP here. My family is NOT WHITE and we purchased in W-L in one of the planning units under consideration specifically because of IB and W-L's numbers (and we stretched hard to afford it over a home zoned for Wakefield). Painting educational planning as a white person's concern is tremendously insulting to minorities who very much want the best opportunities for their children.

This is a CB issue -- they are the ones concentrating affordable housing in particular areas of the county with NO thought to how it will impact school overcrowding and the distribution of poverty in our county. If affordable housing were more equally distributed instead of being 95% concentrated on the Pike and in central Arlington near Ballston, I guarantee all schools would be more diverse both racially and with regards to SES.

And if the county adopted a rational approach to new development that considered impact on county services (such as schools, transportation, police/fire, etc) BEFORE approving literally any and all new development (including affordable housing), this would NEVER have become the issue it has.

Exactly. It's very reasonable for parents to prioritize proximity to schools. I want my kids to be close to school and close to their friends. I also welcome diversity (we chose to live in a mixed area) and think that the solution doesn't lie in planning units - it's a county planning issue that needs to be addressed. Make the communities diverse, don't rely on bussing.

Oh sure you do.

The only way the county can encourage socioeconomic diversity is by maintaining and/or expanding affordable housing in areas where little to none currently exists. But when anyone tries to do this, they are met with massive resistance, and in some cases lawsuits, from your civic associations. Maybe you missed it, but there were people cheering on DCUM when moderately priced units is Westover were bulldozed to make way for more luxury townhouses. And your neighborhoods almost pushed through an affordable housing master plan that would have excluded geographic targets, meaning the county would have codified socioeconomic segregation in a planning document. So it's the chicken or the egg. If we try to encourage diverse neighborhoods by making more areas affordable and by removing economic barriers, we'll naturally get more economically diverse student populations. But we're swatted down at every turn. And if we ask you not to move more economically disadvantaged students into the school with the highest percentage of economically disadvantages students through slightly more creative boundaries, we're stopped because "walkable neighborhood schools." The end result is status quo. Don't pretend you don't know this.

Also, please don't interpret what I'm writing to mean that I think you're all burning crosses and secretly voting for Trump. But to ignore issues of SYSTEMIC racism, inherent in most neighborhood planning documents and schools systems, is not exactly progressive. Maybe we are not worse than many surrounding jurisdictions, but we're not better in this regard either. And I feel like we could be. We are small and wealthy county, and we can maximize the potential of our most disadvantaged students without harming the advantaged students in any meaningful way. My thought is: first, do no harm. I'm trying to play with the tool to find a way that doesn't increase the economically disadvantaged population at Wakefield while maintaining walkability for W-L students and also better balancing enrollment across the three schools. Like they said at the meeting last night, this will not and is not intended to fix all of our ills, but let's not screw the pooch in the name of geographical expedience. This a temporary solution to a population crisis, and the most elegant solution is one that doesn't make us look bad in newspapers, and one that won't set us back from becoming the community we claim we want to be. The long-term solution, which will include 1300 additional seats somewhere, will likely result in another boundary process in the coming years, and that is when we can really make significant changes to address diversity and instructional opportunities system-wide.

"Your civic associations" "Your neighborhoods" WTF?!

Dick, you don't know me. I have never opposed new affordable housing projects. I don't go to every single CB meeting to vocalize this, but I do support them. And, gasp, I also supported the homeless shelter close to my house.

A big factor for us when we were choosing our neighborhood and neighborhood school was having diverse neighbors (incl. SES). Many of our neighbors feel the same way. We do already have that in ES-MS-HS. We just don't want to ship off our kids to the other side of the county when there is a perfectly fine, diverse HS close to us. And generally I think most parents would want a school close to them. It helps build community - something we value. So don't read my prioritizing proximity as anything else. It just makes you look like a huge dick.

The Lyon Village Civic association tied the county up in lawsuits against the Clarendon church project to the tune of $12 million. If you live there, I hope you voted out the people who were responsible for that.

Close, but not our mess.

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What about putting the west planning units up to Yorktown and putting the eastern ones to Wakefield. They'd have to open up more planning units though to make it more contiguous and not overload Wakefield.

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Anonymous wrote:How are people who are focused on re-distributing the poverty to the other 2 HSs able to do it? I am curious what their proposals might look like.
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Start moving the western planning units in play to Yorktown. The more you add, the more the units south of there (also in play) become eligible for Yorktown. You have a make a contiguous path to Yorktown to move them. But you can move units all the way south to columbia pike.

In addition, it helps to move the units in the Henry and Hoffman-Boston zones that go to W-L into Wakefield. Most of these units do not have high poverty levels and this move has the benefit of keeping those kids together all the way from ES-MS-HS. Plus they are bused to HS already.

I am sure the Henry and Hoffman-Boston folks will be thrilled with this.

The thing is, there probably aren't too many people in the WL district that want to be switched to Wakefield. There might be some people in the Wakefield district who wouldn't mind switching to Yorktown but of course that wasn't an option on the map.

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My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Yes, Swanson is definitely split. Some to WL and some to Yorktown. And I think after Kenmore, some to WL and some to Wakefield.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Apparently we all want neighborhood schools, just so long as that school isn't Wakefield.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Apparently we all want neighborhood schools, just so long as that school isn't Wakefield.

We all want to build community with our neighbors. So schools close to home and classmates sticking together are both good things.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Apparently we all want neighborhood schools, just so long as that school isn't Wakefield.

We all want to build community with our neighbors. So schools close to home and classmates sticking together are both good things.

Schools without entrenched poverty are a better thing.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Apparently we all want neighborhood schools, just so long as that school isn't Wakefield.

We all want to build community with our neighbors. So schools close to home and classmates sticking together are both good things.

But in high school, is this really a priority? I went to a private school and I had plenty of friends that didn't live close to me, believe it or not. I think in elementary school, it is important. But I just don't believe this about high school. No one wants to go to Wakefield.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Apparently we all want neighborhood schools, just so long as that school isn't Wakefield.

We all want to build community with our neighbors. So schools close to home and classmates sticking together are both good things.

But in high school, is this really a priority? I went to a private school and I had plenty of friends that didn't live close to me, believe it or not. I think in elementary school, it is important. But I just don't believe this about high school. No one wants to go to Wakefield.

Of course it's not, but it sounds better than," keep poor kids away!". If it's not that, it IB. Then it's something else. They always have a reason.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Apparently we all want neighborhood schools, just so long as that school isn't Wakefield.

We all want to build community with our neighbors. So schools close to home and classmates sticking together are both good things.

Schools without entrenched poverty are a better thing.

No one wants to bus their kid to the other side of the county.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Apparently we all want neighborhood schools, just so long as that school isn't Wakefield.

We all want to build community with our neighbors. So schools close to home and classmates sticking together are both good things.

Schools without entrenched poverty are a better thing.

No one wants to bus their kid to the other side of the county.

It's such a huge county!! HUGE!
Wait? We're literally the smallest county in the country?
Well crap...
Umm... we want walkability?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is at TJ now. The way the boundaries are now, some of her friends will go to WL and some will go to Wakefield with her. Are other middle schools split like that? I took those planning units that go to TJ -> WL and put them in Wakefield. Don't we all want our kids to go to high school with their friends?

Apparently we all want neighborhood schools, just so long as that school isn't Wakefield.

We all want to build community with our neighbors. So schools close to home and classmates sticking together are both good things.

Schools without entrenched poverty are a better thing.

No one wants to bus their kid to the other side of the county.

Again, I don't see what the big deal is. If you take the bus already, what is another 10 minutes? School starts early. There is hardly any traffic at that time. I leave for work at 7:15 and its pretty easy going to the other side of the county.
And it's not like if you live in a walking zone, you're kids will be shipped across town. Aren't those planning units protected?