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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I hate all of this party unity BS.  The party is not unified. Some people (like me) really don't like Hillary.  Many progressives see Hillary as part of the problem, not just some other Democratic candidate with slightly different views/personality. This is a big deal.  I don't think progressives are going to march in lock step with corporatists and neocons in the Democratic party any more. Bernie needs to stay in the race.[/quote]

Good. Then go vote for Jill Stein. And see how much you care about neocons when Trump is president,[/quote]

This.  I hate all the party unity BS too and don't think the party is unified, but I most certainly wouldn't sit this out in November regardless of who the nominee is.  In the primaries, I vote for the candidate I align with most.  In the general election I vote for the candidate I align with most., even if I view it as the lesser of the evils, especially when a supreme court justice and the Senate are in play.  Honestly, my daily life probably won't be impacted by a president Trump, but there are many whose would be, and the country as a whole may suffer.  I'm pro-choice, so I'm not sure I want a republican controlled Senate and Trump, who will want to be reelected, deciding the next Justice.  Will most people in my socio-economic status or their kids be affected by and abortion ban?  No, because flying somewhere else for the procedure is financially more than feasible for those who would make the decision to do so.  Poor people, they would be subjected to backroom illegal abortions.  I didn't love Gore very much, but I got out and voted for him because Bush was the alternative.   Maybe some view having a disastrous Trump presidency as their best opportunity to get a "true progressive" in the White House, and are ok with the sacrifices others will have to make in order to get there, but I'm not sure throwing the less fortunate in society under the bus to reach your goal is a part  of the progressive platform.  I hope most Americans will choose to vote, but sadly, at the end of the day, self interest or self righteousness will win out with some.  [/quote]

I always had a feeling that Obama could not have happened if it weren't for Bush.  It may just be that the pendulum is swinging back in the other direction.

What's frightening about Trump is not knowing what he'd do.  I don't think he's as conservative as he's trying to make out, but who would his advisors be? How much would he listen to them, and how much of a liability would his peurile little ego be?  We've already seen how tragic the "governance as a business" approach can be.

So it's gotta be the devil we know this time around, but I have serious doubts about Clinton's ability to pull it off.  People blame Nader for 2000, Swiftboating for 2004, etc., but it all gets down to the candidate and their aility to pull voters their way.

Qualifications aside, I'm not sure Clinton has what it takes.  It's leaving a sick feeling in my stomach.[/quote]

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