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It is impossible to be healthy and to be obese. |
I'm all for everyone being happy with her own individual best weight, and not everyone looks her best at every weight, but to claim that 5'10" / 130lb "would look gross" is a mistake. Cindy Crawford: 5'9.5", 130lbs Lisa Snowdon: 5'10", 140lbs Gisele Bündchen: 5'11", 130lbs Heidi Klum: 5'9.5", 120-140lbs Isabeli Fontana: 5'9.5", 126lbs Alessandra Ambrosio: 5'10", 112lbs |
Right, they are all a massive burden on our health care system, as opposed to all those healthy thin people. |
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From NIH (http://www.win.niddk.nih.gov/STATISTICS/#howare)
As the prevalence of overweight and obesity has increased in the United States, so have related health care costs—both direct and indirect. Direct health care costs refer to preventive, diagnostic, and treatment services such as physician visits, medications, and hospital and nursing home care. Indirect costs are the value of wages lost by people unable to work because of illness or disability, as well as the value of future earnings lost by premature death. Most of the statistics presented here represent the economic cost of overweight and obesity in the United States in 1995, updated to 2001 dollars.[10] Unless otherwise noted, these statistics are adapted from Wolf and Colditz,[11] who based their data on existing epidemiological studies that defined overweight and obesity as a BMI > 29. Because the prevalence of overweight and obesity has increased since 1995, the costs today are higher than the figures given here. Q: What is the cost of overweight and obesity? A: Total Cost: $117 billion Direct Cost: $61 billion* Indirect Cost: $56 billion *A recent study estimated annual medical spending due to overweight and obesity (BMI >25) to be as much as $92.6 billion in 2002 dollars—9.1 percent of U.S. health expenditures.[12] Q: What is the cost of lost productivity related to overweight and obesity? A: The cost of lost productivity related to obesity among Americans age 17 to 64 is $3.9 billion. This value considers the following annual numbers (for 1994): Workdays lost: $39.3 million Physician office visits: $62.7 million Restricted-activity days: $239 million Bed-days: $89.5 million |
Yes, and the ones in bold look GROSS, there is nothing attractive about bony. I am 5'9" tall and weighed 125. I'm sorry, it did not look good. I did not look like a woman, until I added some good muscle and grew some hips and a butt. Me, now physically fit and a curvy 145 looks WAYYYY better than 125. After a certain age, if you are too thin, you face starts to look really old and sunken. The skin sags off the bones in a very unappealing way. Cindy and Heidi are certainly on the higer side of those numbers. Recently there were picks of Cindy's love handles spilling all out of the top of her bikini...that is not 130, unless she does not have a stitch of muscle to hold herself together. |
He has some fancy scale that measures it by electrical impulse, and also measures muscle mass, visceral fat, and other stuff. Maybe that is something besides BMI? I thought the height and weight thing was a rough BMI, but that they could actually measure it with electrical impulse or water displacement testing. |
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| 15:27 (who is probably also 14:06, and possibly others) at least has herself some mad Googling skills. It would be nice to see a well thought out statement rather than the ol' cut-and-paste. |
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1820- I could not agree more! It is sooo lazy to cut and paste, but not have the ability to analyze. This is taught in high school.
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"I'm not a fan of facts. You see, the facts can change, but my opinion will never change, no matter what are the facts." |
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No one wants to read what you can google yourself in a matter of 5 seconds. Why use this forum then? We could just spend all day plgging key words into google. The same stuff happens on the swine flu topics.
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Wow - I can google too (see below). Do most obese people have health issues - probably, and if they don't now, they probably will. (BTW - I struggle with my weight and 6 mo postpartum am definitely in the obese category). But, to say it's "impossible" to be obese and healthy is not 100% true. There are some obese people who are healthy. Genetics would be my guess.
Same as you have some thin people who are incredibly unhealthy - high cholesterol, etc. If being thin kept people healthy, why do you hear about those you are in shape dropping dead of a heart attack? My cousin in very much in shape. He works out all the time and has since he was in his late teens, probably has very little body fat, and had a massive heart attack last year at the age of 37. The doctors had to perform a quadruple bypass surgery. It just bugs me that we seem to have developed a mindset over the years that is so judgemental - "drop 15-20 lbs more - get off your butt" "you should be ashamed you're so fat". Really???? We need to say that to each other????? Do you drive too fast? If so, you're a burden on me. I'm sure your stats for the potential of causing an accident would surprise you. Do you get enough sleep? If not, you're a burden on me. You're productivity will suffer, you are more likely to be in an accident, etc. This whole "you're a burden on me and therefore you're less of a human" mindset just really bothers me. Wait - nobody actually said that? That's what a lot of these posts imply and it's very sad. Some obese people are, in fact, healthy 3:45 PM, August 11, 2008 We've been told by doctors that it's bad to be overweight. And, for many people, that's true. But research is accumulating to show that it's the location of the fat that matters. You can be normal weight and be just as bad off as old tubby next door. Two studies in today's issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine demonstrate this. In one, researchers in Germany studied 314 people ages 18 to 69, assessing their weight and glucose tolerance. Glucose tolerance is a measure of insulin resistance, a pre-diabetic condition that contributes to heart disease. They found that obese people with insulin resistance had more fat within their skeletal muscles and livers than obese people without insulin resistance. In the second study, researchers at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine examined the records of more than 5,000 adults, looking at metabolic abnormalities such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol and low HDL cholesterol. They found that 23.5% of adults of normal weight were metabolically abnormal whereas 51.3% of overweight adults and 31.7% of obese adults were metabolically healthy. Normal weight people with metabolic abnormalities tended to be older, less physically active and have larger waists than healthy, normal-weight people. "Both reports emphasize the benign nature of fat accumulation outside the abdomen," Dr. Lewis Landsberg, of the Northwestern University Comprehensive Center on Obesity in Chicago, said in an editorial accompanying the studies. "In both studies, the detrimental effect of visceral fat accumulation and its surrogate, waist circumference, were clearly demonstrated, confirming older studies showing that waist circumference is a risk factor even in normal-weight individuals." For more information on abdominal fat and measuring your waist circumference, see this article by Harvard Health Publications. -- Shari Roan Photo: J. Emilio Flores, for the Los Angeles Times Permalink | Comments (7) | Bookmark it: |
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I read that it is OK to Yo-Yo diet. That fat is evolutionary, we have it in case of famine. It is OK to create an artificial famine to shed some of the fat.
BTW, I think that the easiest way to lose weight is to hang out with people who don't eat much, so you can see what they do. |
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PP is right on. I am pretty sure that obese people are all too aware of the challenges, risks, and "burdens" of their weight. Mocking them will only make them feel more depressed and powerless, which may make them eat more. A shame spiral, if you will.
Yes, some obese people are genetically predisposed. And some are healthy. Most are not. But there are many reasons for obesity: depression, poverty to name a few. Let's try to be fair. |
New poster here - I work in childhood obesity (trying to halt and reverse it, not advocate for it .
It is possible to be overweight and healthy. The problem is many Americans are overweight because they aren't physically active and don't eat well. Certainly not all. You can be healthier and obese, but if you are obese, something is probably off, at least in the vast majority of cases. I personally think we as a country should stop focusing so much on weight, and focus instead on healthy eating - eating actual, mostly non processed foods, eating moderate portions, and getting some activity in most days. Doesn't have to be the gym, but taking a walk, doing some stretching, etc. Of course there will still be room for the occasional splurge, but you should eat this way 80-90% of the time. If you do that and you are still a few pounds over your ideal weight, you are healthy. |