NYT article on easing academic pressure and a cultural divide

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?

Yes, there are rules. But, plenty of people from all over the world break rules here in the US, and plenty of Americans break foreign rules when they visit other countries. The US gov't has better things to do than go after HS kids who are not committing violent crimes. I'd rather the gov't go after violent criminals, American born or otherwise, than spend tax dollars on going after HS kids from other countries. After all the violent criminals are gone, then they can spend time and money going after HS kids that are just studying.

Finally a honest answer. Yes they are breaking the ruleS but we should turn a blind eye to it because there are bigger problems in the world to worry about.

I do disagree that an American can go to other countries and get away with this. Most I'M familiar with rather strictly enforce their immigration rules.

Get away with what? You buy or rent a residence in the US (that's legal, and it makes you a resident of the school district), and then you send your child to school on a student visa (that's legal too).

A US citizen is paying taxes during the years before and after having children in the school system. Public school budgets assume that everyone is paying taxes, even those who are not using the schools. If families buy or rent only for the years their kids are in school and then leave the country when the kids graduate, then they are not really fully contributing to the taxes that go to pay for the schools. It would make sense to charge tuition for non-citizen children to come closer to recouping the cost of the education.

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Anonymous wrote:The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?

Yes, there are rules. But, plenty of people from all over the world break rules here in the US, and plenty of Americans break foreign rules when they visit other countries. The US gov't has better things to do than go after HS kids who are not committing violent crimes. I'd rather the gov't go after violent criminals, American born or otherwise, than spend tax dollars on going after HS kids from other countries. After all the violent criminals are gone, then they can spend time and money going after HS kids that are just studying.

Finally a honest answer. Yes they are breaking the ruleS but we should turn a blind eye to it because there are bigger problems in the world to worry about.

I do disagree that an American can go to other countries and get away with this. Most I'M familiar with rather strictly enforce their immigration rules.

Get away with what? You buy or rent a residence in the US (that's legal, and it makes you a resident of the school district), and then you send your child to school on a student visa (that's legal too).

A US citizen is paying taxes during the years before and after having children in the school system. Public school budgets assume that everyone is paying taxes, even those who are not using the schools. If families buy or rent only for the years their kids are in school and then leave the country when the kids graduate, then they are not really fully contributing to the taxes that go to pay for the schools. It would make sense to charge tuition for non-citizen children to come closer to recouping the cost of the education.

If you don't like the laws, then work to change the laws. In the meantime, it is legal.

Also, your argument doesn't really make sense, given that

a. most education funding is local. If I ordinarily live and work in State A, but we spend a year in State B, then would it make sense for State B to charge tuition?
b. every non-full-time-institutionalized adult who lives in a jurisdiction pays taxes -- starting with sales taxes.

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Every child in the US has access to free public education regardless of their immigration status.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/08/11/department-of-education-unaccompanied-illegal-immigrant-minors-entitled-to-public-education/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The public schools are paid for by the u.s. taxpayers. I don't understand how a parent in S. Korea can just decide to send their kids to public school in the u.s. no rules against this?

Yes, there are rules. But, plenty of people from all over the world break rules here in the US, and plenty of Americans break foreign rules when they visit other countries. The US gov't has better things to do than go after HS kids who are not committing violent crimes. I'd rather the gov't go after violent criminals, American born or otherwise, than spend tax dollars on going after HS kids from other countries. After all the violent criminals are gone, then they can spend time and money going after HS kids that are just studying.

Finally a honest answer. Yes they are breaking the ruleS but we should turn a blind eye to it because there are bigger problems in the world to worry about.

I do disagree that an American can go to other countries and get away with this. Most I'M familiar with rather strictly enforce their immigration rules.

Get away with what? You buy or rent a residence in the US (that's legal, and it makes you a resident of the school district), and then you send your child to school on a student visa (that's legal too).

A US citizen is paying taxes during the years before and after having children in the school system. Public school budgets assume that everyone is paying taxes, even those who are not using the schools. If families buy or rent only for the years their kids are in school and then leave the country when the kids graduate, then they are not really fully contributing to the taxes that go to pay for the schools. It would make sense to charge tuition for non-citizen children to come closer to recouping the cost of the education.

If you don't like the laws, then work to change the laws. In the meantime, it is legal.

Also, your argument doesn't really make sense, given that

a. most education funding is local. If I ordinarily live and work in State A, but we spend a year in State B, then would it make sense for State B to charge tuition?
b. every non-full-time-institutionalized adult who lives in a jurisdiction pays taxes -- starting with sales taxes.

A lifelong resident is paying taxes for many years when they do not have children using the public schools, so they are contributing even when they are not making use of the public school system. If a family moves to the US when their kids are school age and moves away when they graduate, then they are only contributing when they are actually getting a benefit from the system. A resident family, or a family that uses private schools, is contributing to the school budget for many years when they are not actually using the schools for their own children.

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Blah, blah, blah^^^^^

Children in the US get access to free public education regardless of their immigration status... Yes, even if they can't pay, and their parents NEVER paid taxes.

Good grief.

[Anonymous]

That's just weird to me. So if you come in legally on an F1, you are expected to pay the full cost but if you sneak in illegally you"re entitled to free education
So why bother following the iigration rules?

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I went to school in this district about two decades when it was still majority white. It has always been a very academic and well regarded district but was not crazy competitive as described in the article. My class mates included Ethan Hawke ( who spent his last two years of high school in private school), the director Bryan Singer, the screenwriter Chris McQuarrie, and Jim Murphy of LTD Soundsystem. None needed the after school Kumon to be successful. iMO the superintendent is on the right track in bringing the school system where it use to be. For what it's worth, I went to a top 15 college and an Ivy League law school.

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Anonymous wrote:That's just weird to me. So if you come in legally on an F1, you are expected to pay the full cost but if you sneak in illegally you"re entitled to free education
So why bother following the iigration rules?

No one actually enforces. Essentially the law makes (some) foreigners pay twice through 1. taxes and 2. tuition so most public school districts have better things to do then go after foreigners living (and paying property taxes) within their school district.

like maybe going after US citizens who send their kids to DC schools for free public preschool while residing in Maryland. And we all know how well that is done

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Anonymous wrote:That's just weird to me. So if you come in legally on an F1, you are expected to pay the full cost but if you sneak in illegally you"re entitled to free education
So why bother following the iigration rules?

Presumably there are other, off-setting benefits to being documented. Wouldn't you think?

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Anonymous wrote:I went to school in this district about two decades when it was still majority white. It has always been a very academic and well regarded district but was not crazy competitive as described in the article. My class mates included Ethan Hawke ( who spent his last two years of high school in private school), the director Bryan Singer, the screenwriter Chris McQuarrie, and Jim Murphy of LTD Soundsystem. None needed the after school Kumon to be successful. iMO the superintendent is on the right track in bringing the school system where it use to be. For what it's worth, I went to a top 15 college and an Ivy League law school.

The school district maybe majority Asian at this point so maybe they should serve them instead of trying to *bring the school system where it use to be*

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The school district maybe majority Asian at this point so maybe they should serve them instead of trying to *bring the school system where it use to be*

All Asians (meaning, people with a family origin in the continent of Asia, who live in the US) want the same thing?

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Anonymous wrote:I went to school in this district about two decades when it was still majority white. It has always been a very academic and well regarded district but was not crazy competitive as described in the article. My class mates included Ethan Hawke ( who spent his last two years of high school in private school), the director Bryan Singer, the screenwriter Chris McQuarrie, and Jim Murphy of LTD Soundsystem. None needed the after school Kumon to be successful. iMO the superintendent is on the right track in bringing the school system where it use to be. For what it's worth, I went to a top 15 college and an Ivy League law school.

The school district maybe majority Asian at this point so maybe they should serve them instead of trying to *bring the school system where it use to be*

Yes, let's just keep going on this train with kids writing suicidal essays and creating art projects demonstrating unsustainable parental pressure so their parents can have bragging rights. Sometimes the educators are right, this school system has a track record for success for decades. The reason many of these kids can't get into Harvard, Princeton, Yale despite top grades is a lack of passion and creativity in learning because it has been beaten out of them in favor of rote learning.

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The school district maybe majority Asian at this point so maybe they should serve them instead of trying to *bring the school system where it use to be*

All Asians (meaning, people with a family origin in the continent of Asia, who live in the US) want the same thing?

Don't know but I think most care deeply about education and don't mind the competition. It's what we are used to. I'm the pp who is awed by the Chinese and Indian parents. We have relatives who live in Princeton, NJ and the public school system has always been a matter of pride for it's rigor. Just as good if not better than most private schools. They have an adopted Asian child in hs currently and they pretty much liked it the way it was. They are Jewish though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to school in this district about two decades when it was still majority white. It has always been a very academic and well regarded district but was not crazy competitive as described in the article. My class mates included Ethan Hawke ( who spent his last two years of high school in private school), the director Bryan Singer, the screenwriter Chris McQuarrie, and Jim Murphy of LTD Soundsystem. None needed the after school Kumon to be successful. iMO the superintendent is on the right track in bringing the school system where it use to be. For what it's worth, I went to a top 15 college and an Ivy League law school.

The school district maybe majority Asian at this point so maybe they should serve them instead of trying to *bring the school system where it use to be*

Yes, let's just keep going on this train with kids writing suicidal essays and creating art projects demonstrating unsustainable parental pressure so their parents can have bragging rights. Sometimes the educators are right, this school system has a track record for success for decades. The reason many of these kids can't get into Harvard, Princeton, Yale despite top grades is a lack of passion and creativity in learning because it has been beaten out of them in favor of rote learning.

Back to "rote learning". Again. Keep telling yourself that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I went to school in this district about two decades when it was still majority white. It has always been a very academic and well regarded district but was not crazy competitive as described in the article. My class mates included Ethan Hawke ( who spent his last two years of high school in private school), the director Bryan Singer, the screenwriter Chris McQuarrie, and Jim Murphy of LTD Soundsystem. None needed the after school Kumon to be successful. iMO the superintendent is on the right track in bringing the school system where it use to be. For what it's worth, I went to a top 15 college and an Ivy League law school.

The school district maybe majority Asian at this point so maybe they should serve them instead of trying to *bring the school system where it use to be*

Yes, let's just keep going on this train with kids writing suicidal essays and creating art projects demonstrating unsustainable parental pressure so their parents can have bragging rights. Sometimes the educators are right, this school system has a track record for success for decades. The reason many of these kids can't get into Harvard, Princeton, Yale despite top grades is a lack of passion and creativity in learning because it has been beaten out of them in favor of rote learning.

Back to "rote learning". Again. Keep telling yourself that.

Did you even read the article? Clearly not. My dh is an interviewer for HYP, he sees plenty of kids with great grades and test scores who enirely lack intellectual curiosity (of all ethnicities). They don't get in. And yes, it is my opinion that the Kumon tutoring track stifles intellectual curiosity and promotes rote learning.