Marshall High School - Lowest Graduation Rate vs. TJ, Langley, McLean, Woodson, Madison, Oakton

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:IB vs AP is like metric vs English
AP is easier and has no diploma track. College credit is the same for either one.

The better education parents in FCPS reside in AP school districts. FCPS stuck IB in poorer performing districts and they are still the low performers.

Marshall sits in a good location but has lower SAT scores, lower graduation rates, lower U.S. News and Washington Post ratings, and higher FARMS percentages than the top AP schools.

So, I feel we should gerrymander districts to move more minority and FARMS kids into the the Madison, Langley, McLean, etc. pyramids. They should have their fair share of "poors."

So you want poor students to have to travel further to their school just so it will make Marshall look better in comparison to the other schools? You do know some of their parents have limited transportation options, right?

Part of the problem though is zoning. There shouldn't be such large areas of single family homes with nothing else. Langley is one of the most gerrymandered schools I've ever seen. They are already gerrymandered districts that don't benefit poor kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IB vs AP is like metric vs English
AP is easier and has no diploma track. College credit is the same for either one.

The better education parents in FCPS reside in AP school districts. FCPS stuck IB in poorer performing districts and they are still the low performers.

Marshall sits in a good location but has lower SAT scores, lower graduation rates, lower U.S. News and Washington Post ratings, and higher FARMS percentages than the top AP schools.

How come it has the the highest sol scores

Because, the math scores that benefit Marshall are taken when most of the population is in MS at the other HS and therefore are not part of SOL data in those HS.

I thought HS students take SOL?

Students in MS also take HS-level SOLs (for Algebra 1, Geometry, etc.)

Correct but students in HS take the SOLs. How do you think TJ gets those top scores?

Math SOL ends at Algebra II.
Kids at TJ do not take Algebra I or Geometry SOLs in HS. They take them before they get to HS. Some do not take any math SOLs as they have finished with the math SOLs before they get there. But there are no other students, so their math scores are still high.

At the other schools (NOT TJ), the students that take the most math SOLs, i high school, are the ones who are okay to not very good in math. The good to fabulous math students take only one or two as they are beyond the SOL math courses faster. As a result, it lowers the average SOLs for math at those schools.

Let's just say the math is done earlier, what difference does that make?

Either way the rest of the tests (english, history, science etc...) are taken at the same grade level

http://www.fcps.edu/MadisonHS/services/standardized_testing.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IB vs AP is like metric vs English
AP is easier and has no diploma track. College credit is the same for either one.

The better education parents in FCPS reside in AP school districts. FCPS stuck IB in poorer performing districts and they are still the low performers.

Marshall sits in a good location but has lower SAT scores, lower graduation rates, lower U.S. News and Washington Post ratings, and higher FARMS percentages than the top AP schools.

So, I feel we should gerrymander districts to move more minority and FARMS kids into the the Madison, Langley, McLean, etc. pyramids. They should have their fair share of "poors."

So you want poor students to have to travel further to their school just so it will make Marshall look better in comparison to the other schools? You do know some of their parents have limited transportation options, right?

No, let's zone some of those Langley, McLean and Madison richie snowflakes to "poorer" schools. FYI, I don't get the crap about school community being tied to the "town." First of all McLean is not a town, it is a CDP. I attended a Catholic high school in South Florida that drew students from three counties with over 5 million population. Do you know what created the school community? Sports, and especially our nationally ranked football team. I would die if FCPS did away with sports, because that for me creates the community and spirit for the school. Not the Science Olympiad.

If you follow the NFL, I'll let you guess my HS - which also has more than its fair share of National Merit scholars. FYI, Marshall has more of those than McLean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IB vs AP is like metric vs English
AP is easier and has no diploma track. College credit is the same for either one.

The better education parents in FCPS reside in AP school districts. FCPS stuck IB in poorer performing districts and they are still the low performers.

Marshall sits in a good location but has lower SAT scores, lower graduation rates, lower U.S. News and Washington Post ratings, and higher FARMS percentages than the top AP schools.

So, I feel we should gerrymander districts to move more minority and FARMS kids into the the Madison, Langley, McLean, etc. pyramids. They should have their fair share of "poors."

So you want poor students to have to travel further to their school just so it will make Marshall look better in comparison to the other schools? You do know some of their parents have limited transportation options, right?

No, let's zone some of those Langley, McLean and Madison richie snowflakes to "poorer" schools. FYI, I don't get the crap about school community being tied to the "town." First of all McLean is not a town, it is a CDP. I attended a Catholic high school in South Florida that drew students from three counties with over 5 million population. Do you know what created the school community? Sports, and especially our nationally ranked football team. I would die if FCPS did away with sports, because that for me creates the community and spirit for the school. Not the Science Olympiad.

If you follow the NFL, I'll let you guess my HS - which also has more than its fair share of National Merit scholars. FYI, Marshall has more of those than McLean.

I don't think you will convince anyone that more bussing what needs to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IB vs AP is like metric vs English
AP is easier and has no diploma track. College credit is the same for either one.

The better education parents in FCPS reside in AP school districts. FCPS stuck IB in poorer performing districts and they are still the low performers.

Marshall sits in a good location but has lower SAT scores, lower graduation rates, lower U.S. News and Washington Post ratings, and higher FARMS percentages than the top AP schools.

So, I feel we should gerrymander districts to move more minority and FARMS kids into the the Madison, Langley, McLean, etc. pyramids. They should have their fair share of "poors."

So you want poor students to have to travel further to their school just so it will make Marshall look better in comparison to the other schools? You do know some of their parents have limited transportation options, right?

No, let's zone some of those Langley, McLean and Madison richie snowflakes to "poorer" schools. FYI, I don't get the crap about school community being tied to the "town." First of all McLean is not a town, it is a CDP. I attended a Catholic high school in South Florida that drew students from three counties with over 5 million population. Do you know what created the school community? Sports, and especially our nationally ranked football team. I would die if FCPS did away with sports, because that for me creates the community and spirit for the school. Not the Science Olympiad.

If you follow the NFL, I'll let you guess my HS - which also has more than its fair share of National Merit scholars. FYI, Marshall has more of those than McLean.

Not where NMSF were concerned last year. McLean had more than any high school except TJ according to this release.

http://commweb.fcps.edu/newsreleases/newsrelease.cfm?newsid=2605

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:IB vs AP is like metric vs English
AP is easier and has no diploma track. College credit is the same for either one.

The better education parents in FCPS reside in AP school districts. FCPS stuck IB in poorer performing districts and they are still the low performers.

Marshall sits in a good location but has lower SAT scores, lower graduation rates, lower U.S. News and Washington Post ratings, and higher FARMS percentages than the top AP schools.

So, I feel we should gerrymander districts to move more minority and FARMS kids into the the Madison, Langley, McLean, etc. pyramids. They should have their fair share of "poors."

So you want poor students to have to travel further to their school just so it will make Marshall look better in comparison to the other schools? You do know some of their parents have limited transportation options, right?

No, let's zone some of those Langley, McLean and Madison richie snowflakes to "poorer" schools. FYI, I don't get the crap about school community being tied to the "town." First of all McLean is not a town, it is a CDP. I attended a Catholic high school in South Florida that drew students from three counties with over 5 million population. Do you know what created the school community? Sports, and especially our nationally ranked football team. I would die if FCPS did away with sports, because that for me creates the community and spirit for the school. Not the Science Olympiad.

If you follow the NFL, I'll let you guess my HS - which also has more than its fair share of National Merit scholars. FYI, Marshall has more of those than McLean.

I don't think you will convince anyone that more bussing what needs to happen.

+1. And I hope PP isn't thinking that a nationally ranked football team is going to create a sense of community at Marshall. Marshall football has been terrible for many years.

[Anonymous]

PP. Do you have a child at Marshall? How do you know their is no sense of community?

[Anonymous]

Rarely do I hear anyone except those from really low FARM schools arguing how terrible busing would be - especially if it is busing of kids into those zones. The reality is that much more of that needs done but the wealthiest zones block it from happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Rarely do I hear anyone except those from really low FARM schools arguing how terrible busing would be - especially if it is busing of kids into those zones. The reality is that much more of that needs done but the wealthiest zones block it from happening.

That's probably because you talk more than you listen. There is very little support for this around here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP. Do you have a child at Marshall? How do you know their is no sense of community?

probably basing it off their analysis from 1993

[Anonymous]

People trashing Marshall are the same ones that trashed Luther Jackson MS, claiming there were gangs, etc. there. I don't understand there need to spread such misinformation other than to boost their own sorry sense of insecurity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People trashing Marshall are the same ones that trashed Luther Jackson MS, claiming there were gangs, etc. there. I don't understand there need to spread such misinformation other than to boost their own sorry sense of insecurity.

I don't think that people are bashing Marshall, but poking at an overexuberant rather annoying Marshall Booster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP. Do you have a child at Marshall? How do you know their is no sense of community?

I'll take a stab at this, as one of my kids attended Marshall. I think you can define a community in different ways. A school itself is one type of community, so you have that at Marshall, although as has been noted the neighborhoods that feed into Marshall are kind of a grab bag, so the parents and students probably have less in common with one another than may be the case elsewhere. Most of my fellow neighbors in Vienna who were zoned for Marshall were happy enough with the school, but would have been even happier if we were zoned for Madison, which was closer. And there was no doubt that the local newspapers paid more attention to Madison than to Marshall, or that you could sense more support for McLean activities if you were in downtown McLean than you could for Marshall activities anywhere in Falls Church or Vienna. I even recall reading an article in one of the local newspapers at one point in which one of the school administrators or class sponsors at Marshall mentioned this. I don't think it's a big deal, but I also think denying it is silly, too. Maybe it will change over time as Tysons gets more development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People trashing Marshall are the same ones that trashed Luther Jackson MS, claiming there were gangs, etc. there. I don't understand there need to spread such misinformation other than to boost their own sorry sense of insecurity.

Luther Jackson is primarily a feeder to Falls Church HS, and I've seen some Marshall boosters trash Falls Church quite a bit here.

[Anonymous]

They trash Falls Church, but it is also a fine school.