IB Program- What is it? IB or AP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is a fact and I don't have to prove it to you. I imagine most people know that already.

I don't really have the dog in this fight, but this is priceless.

I understood what the PP was saying. People have dug up the relevant sections before from the FCPS budget, which runs hundreds of pages, and IB clearly is more expensive on a per student basis. Something isn't false merely because you haven't engaged in the same time-consuming exercise yet again.

Maybe once IB is more widely implemented, the cost/student will come down. We need more IB schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact and I don't have to prove it to you. I imagine most people know that already.

I don't really have the dog in this fight, but this is priceless.

I understood what the PP was saying. People have dug up the relevant sections before from the FCPS budget, which runs hundreds of pages, and IB clearly is more expensive on a per student basis. Something isn't false merely because you haven't engaged in the same time-consuming exercise yet again.

Agree. There are pages on dcum about this. Why do people feel they can discredit information by claiming someone else is lying just because they haven't put a footnote to explain where they got the information from. If you look in the program budget book and search for the fees you will see the fees there. Look at Page 54 and 58 of the FY 15 program budget book as an example. In that book it says $3.7 million was the cost for AP which served 16,852 students at around $220 more than a general ed classroom, and $3.3 million was the cost for IB which served 5754 students at around $575 more than a general ed classroom. Even without worrying about who passed tests or got diplomas, the IB program per class is about 2.5 times the cost of an AP class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact and I don't have to prove it to you. I imagine most people know that already.

I don't really have the dog in this fight, but this is priceless.

I understood what the PP was saying. People have dug up the relevant sections before from the FCPS budget, which runs hundreds of pages, and IB clearly is more expensive on a per student basis. Something isn't false merely because you haven't engaged in the same time-consuming exercise yet again.

Maybe once IB is more widely implemented, the cost/student will come down. We need more IB schools.

The costs for both of these programs keeps going up despite each year more people participating in them. Over one year AP went up $9 per student and IB went up $18 per student. I'm guessing the IB program will keep increasing ahead of AP because there are more salaries involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact and I don't have to prove it to you. I imagine most people know that already.

I don't really have the dog in this fight, but this is priceless.

I understood what the PP was saying. People have dug up the relevant sections before from the FCPS budget, which runs hundreds of pages, and IB clearly is more expensive on a per student basis. Something isn't false merely because you haven't engaged in the same time-consuming exercise yet again.

Maybe once IB is more widely implemented, the cost/student will come down. We need more IB schools.

The costs for both of these programs keeps going up despite each year more people participating in them. Over one year AP went up $9 per student and IB went up $18 per student. I'm guessing the IB program will keep increasing ahead of AP because there are more salaries involved.

You have made your point many times over. What are you trying to do - shame OP into pupil-placing in AP school because IB is SOOO BAAADDD for society?

[Anonymous]

You have made your point many times over. What are you trying to do - shame OP into pupil-placing in AP school because IB is SOOO BAAADDD for society?

Touch a nerve?

The point is that if we put AP in the IB schools, FCPS would save over 1.5 Million dollars. That is a start. It is not insignificant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You have made your point many times over. What are you trying to do - shame OP into pupil-placing in AP school because IB is SOOO BAAADDD for society?

Touch a nerve?

The point is that if we put AP in the IB schools, FCPS would save over 1.5 Million dollars. That is a start. It is not insignificant.

PP - are you unemployed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact and I don't have to prove it to you. I imagine most people know that already.

I don't really have the dog in this fight, but this is priceless.

I understood what the PP was saying. People have dug up the relevant sections before from the FCPS budget, which runs hundreds of pages, and IB clearly is more expensive on a per student basis. Something isn't false merely because you haven't engaged in the same time-consuming exercise yet again.

Maybe once IB is more widely implemented, the cost/student will come down. We need more IB schools.

??? Have you seen the participation rate at some of the existing IB school? If anything we need fewer. Look at the numbers for Stuart, Lee, and Mt. Vernon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact and I don't have to prove it to you. I imagine most people know that already.

I don't really have the dog in this fight, but this is priceless.

I understood what the PP was saying. People have dug up the relevant sections before from the FCPS budget, which runs hundreds of pages, and IB clearly is more expensive on a per student basis. Something isn't false merely because you haven't engaged in the same time-consuming exercise yet again.

Maybe once IB is more widely implemented, the cost/student will come down. We need more IB schools.

The costs for both of these programs keeps going up despite each year more people participating in them. Over one year AP went up $9 per student and IB went up $18 per student. I'm guessing the IB program will keep increasing ahead of AP because there are more salaries involved.

You have made your point many times over. What are you trying to do - shame OP into pupil-placing in AP school because IB is SOOO BAAADDD for society?

Why do you think there is just one person aware of IB's poor track record in FCPS or IB's higher costs? Wrong.

You also have it backwards if you think the OP would be pupil placing to an AP school. OP was asking whether it's worth pupil placing out of an AP school to an IB program. So the question is not whether IB is "BAAADDD for society," but whether there's anything special enough about it to warrant the extra effort to get to an IB school. Unless your kid plans to go to school abroad, there really isn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact and I don't have to prove it to you. I imagine most people know that already.

I don't really have the dog in this fight, but this is priceless.

I understood what the PP was saying. People have dug up the relevant sections before from the FCPS budget, which runs hundreds of pages, and IB clearly is more expensive on a per student basis. Something isn't false merely because you haven't engaged in the same time-consuming exercise yet again.

Maybe once IB is more widely implemented, the cost/student will come down. We need more IB schools.

??? Have you seen the participation rate at some of the existing IB school? If anything we need fewer. Look at the numbers for Stuart, Lee, and Mt. Vernon.

With some luck and even more IB, we can get that 5% diploma rate at some of those schools down to a more reasonable 2-3%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You have made your point many times over. What are you trying to do - shame OP into pupil-placing in AP school because IB is SOOO BAAADDD for society?

Touch a nerve?

The point is that if we put AP in the IB schools, FCPS would save over 1.5 Million dollars. That is a start. It is not insignificant.

Sure, it a lot of money, but let's do some math. In 2014, 3200 students took at least 1 IB exam. Assuming the 1.5 million dollar number is right, that's about $470/pupil. FCPS cost per pupil is around $13,500. So, we're looking at less than a 3-4% add on per pupil, generally over only 2 years. Given that many IB kids take more than 1 class, (6 for a diploma) that doesn't seem unreasonable for a special program. I'd be shocked (having seen no numbers and totally guessing here) if the AAP surcharge wasn't much higher (busing, credentia

[Anonymous]

^^ credentialing, AART, testing, etc). Also, hate to point out that if the budget shortfall really is $200 million, even totally eliminating IB will solve less than 1% of the problem.

[Anonymous]

^^ credentialing, AART, testing, etc). Also, hate to point out that if the budget shortfall really is $200 million, even totally eliminating IB will solve less than 1% of the problem.

It's an easy savings. And, it is a start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

^^ credentialing, AART, testing, etc). Also, hate to point out that if the budget shortfall really is $200 million, even totally eliminating IB will solve less than 1% of the problem.

It's an easy savings. And, it is a start.

It's not savings, it's a lost opportunity...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a fact and I don't have to prove it to you. I imagine most people know that already.

I don't really have the dog in this fight, but this is priceless.

I understood what the PP was saying. People have dug up the relevant sections before from the FCPS budget, which runs hundreds of pages, and IB clearly is more expensive on a per student basis. Something isn't false merely because you haven't engaged in the same time-consuming exercise yet again.

Maybe once IB is more widely implemented, the cost/student will come down. We need more IB schools.

??? Have you seen the participation rate at some of the existing IB school? If anything we need fewer. Look at the numbers for Stuart, Lee, and Mt. Vernon.

With some luck and even more IB, we can get that 5% diploma rate at some of those schools down to a more reasonable 2-3%.

IB has been in those schools for about 20 years. Also, not sure what your numbers mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^^ credentialing, AART, testing, etc). Also, hate to point out that if the budget shortfall really is $200 million, even totally eliminating IB will solve less than 1% of the problem.

It's an easy savings. And, it is a start.

It's not savings, it's a lost opportunity...

+100. And it's considered to be an AAP program. Why would you spend some amount extra money to give ES and MS Students AAP opportunities, and not follow through for bright HS a students-- especially since these are the "open enrollment" programs AAP detractors say we should have in the first place? Of course, if you eliminate AAP altogether, and give everyone Gen Ed, that would go a long way towards dealing with the budget issues (unlike pulling out IB). But then, it would also tank FCPS's academic standing and Your property value.