Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church

[Anonymous]

i still don't get how this thread became about the crucifixion when the OP was asking how she could raise a catholic child without going to sunday school!? it's the OP's opinion that the crucifixion was gruesome, which is beside the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i still don't get how this thread became about the crucifixion when the OP was asking how she could raise a catholic child without going to sunday school!? it's the OP's opinion that the crucifixion was gruesome, which is beside the point.

OP said, "but I don't think we are ready for the crucifixion discussion or any of the other rather gruesome aspects"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like there are two Catholic points of view presented here (unless it's one person changing her mind).

1. It's weird and immature to feel squeamish about images of Christ dying on the Cross and Catholic kids don’t mind it – don’t even notice it, really.

2. It's right to feel squeamish, because getting in touch with Christ’s horrible suffering that he experienced for all us could encourage people to become Catholic or become better Catholics.

Let me clarify something. I am the pp who wrote BOTH of these points of view. And I believe both of them. And I believe both, while appearing contradictory on the surface, can co-exist.

Number one: it is right to feel squeamish, b/c getting in touch with Christ's horrible suffering that HE experienced for all of us is the central tenet of our faith, and yes, could encourage people to explore Catholicism a bit more, whether they are currently Catholics or not.

Number two: to use this as the main reason why one would turn away from Catcholicism, b/c it is a knee-jerk reaction is, while understandable, childish, as if one is afraid to try something new. As if one is afraid to delve into things more, and to think about them in a mature and thoughtful fashion.

Thinking about things in a more mature and thoughtful fashion could result in turning away from Catholicism -- or anything -- unless there is only one right answer when it comes to Catholicism and that is whatever it takes to keep the faith. It could be belittling a negative reaction to the crucifix as being childishly squeamish, then recasting squeamishness as a positive, faith-building mechanism.

[Anonymous]

Every atheist I have ever encountered is more of a zealot than the most fundamental and devout.

Just like you find Catholicism childish or ridiculous, I find your relentless need to announce how superior you are to the devout childish.

We get it, you are awesome, we are dumb. Stop beating a dead horse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every atheist I have ever encountered is more of a zealot than the most fundamental and devout.

Just like you find Catholicism childish or ridiculous, I find your relentless need to announce how superior you are to the devout childish.

We get it, you are awesome, we are dumb. Stop beating a dead horse.

Where was the announcement of superiority? Seriously -- that's a strong accusation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every atheist I have ever encountered is more of a zealot than the most fundamental and devout.

Just like you find Catholicism childish or ridiculous, I find your relentless need to announce how superior you are to the devout childish.

We get it, you are awesome, we are dumb. Stop beating a dead horse.

Where was the announcement of superiority? Seriously -- that's a strong accusation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every atheist I have ever encountered is more of a zealot than the most fundamental and devout.

Just like you find Catholicism childish or ridiculous, I find your relentless need to announce how superior you are to the devout childish.

We get it, you are awesome, we are dumb. Stop beating a dead horse.

Where was the announcement of superiority? Seriously -- that's a strong accusation.

Does that mean there is no announcement of superiority and the question is not going to be addressed?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every atheist I have ever encountered is more of a zealot than the most fundamental and devout.

Just like you find Catholicism childish or ridiculous, I find your relentless need to announce how superior you are to the devout childish.

We get it, you are awesome, we are dumb. Stop beating a dead horse.

Where was the announcement of superiority? Seriously -- that's a strong accusation.

Does that mean there is no announcement of superiority and the question is not going to be addressed?

[Anonymous]

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I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

LOL, you're why I don't like most Catholics.

"you're why I don't like most (Catholics, blacks, senior citizens, 1 %ers, postal workers, etc.)"

Nice group bias.

If you don't want someone biased against a group, you might want to refrain from calling them a dipshit.

[Anonymous]

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I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

LOL, you're why I don't like most Catholics.

"you're why I don't like most (Catholics, blacks, senior citizens, 1 %ers, postal workers, etc.)"

Nice group bias.

If you don't want someone biased against a group, you might want to refrain from calling them a dipshit.

or saying people have announced their superiority over your and then responding with eye rolling when asked for an example of that announcement.

[Anonymous]

Can't tell if its one atheist or two arguing amongst themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can't tell if its one atheist or two arguing amongst themselves.

or pointing out the same disturbing behavior

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every atheist I have ever encountered is more of a zealot than the most fundamental and devout.

Just like you find Catholicism childish or ridiculous, I find your relentless need to announce how superior you are to the devout childish.

We get it, you are awesome, we are dumb. Stop beating a dead horse.

It not unusual for people who feel defeated to use ad hominem attacks.

[Anonymous]

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My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.

Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.

This is interesting. I grew up catholic but never attended Catholic school so I could be getting some information wrong. I believe I was taught though that the most important thing was that Jesus died and suffered for our sins so that we could go to heaven. Somewhere along the line I was told that Jesus suffered in hell for all our sins after being crucified so that we could go to heaven. Not sure if this is the actual catholic teaching, but we definitely spent more time discussing his suffering than his rising. There is a whole month called Lent where catholics spend time "suffering" in a small way to remind themselves of Jesus's suffering. Then there is a long time at Easter where they rejoice that the gates to heaven are open, but the actual ascension is just one day of reflection. So catholics basically spend a lot of time remembering his suffering and rejoicing that they can go to heaven, but do not dwell excessively on the fact that Jesus's body rose from the dead to go back to God. They believe it, but I guess growing up it didn't seem like a huge feat since Jesus was god after all and came from God to begin with so was just going back home.

Curious now. What are protestant's taught?

Still waiting for a protestant to tell me why a cross verses a crucifix is so much better and how it helped them learn more about Christ.

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I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

LOL, you're why I don't like most Catholics.

"you're why I don't like most (Catholics, blacks, senior citizens, 1 %ers, postal workers, etc.)"

Nice group bias.

If you don't want someone biased against a group, you might want to refrain from calling them a dipshit.

or saying people have announced their superiority over your and then responding with eye rolling when asked for an example of that announcement.

Eye rolling is the new "You're not Catholic so you don't understand it."