Want to raise kids Catholic, have some issues with Church

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I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

LOL, you're why I don't like most Catholics.

"you're why I don't like most (Catholics, blacks, senior citizens, 1 %ers, postal workers, etc.)"

Nice group bias.

If you don't want someone biased against a group, you might want to refrain from calling them a dipshit.

or saying people have announced their superiority over your and then responding with eye rolling when asked for an example of that announcement.

Eye rolling is the new "You're not Catholic so you don't understand it."

No one except the two of you really care about your little sidebar argument.

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I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

LOL, you're why I don't like most Catholics.

"you're why I don't like most (Catholics, blacks, senior citizens, 1 %ers, postal workers, etc.)"

Nice group bias.

If you don't want someone biased against a group, you might want to refrain from calling them a dipshit.

or saying people have announced their superiority over your and then responding with eye rolling when asked for an example of that announcement.

Eye rolling is the new "You're not Catholic so you don't understand it."

No one except the two of you really care about your little sidebar argument.

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I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

LOL, you're why I don't like most Catholics.

"you're why I don't like most (Catholics, blacks, senior citizens, 1 %ers, postal workers, etc.)"

Nice group bias.

If you don't want someone biased against a group, you might want to refrain from calling them a dipshit.

or saying people have announced their superiority over your and then responding with eye rolling when asked for an example of that announcement.

Eye rolling is the new "You're not Catholic so you don't understand it."

Or I have no good answer, so I'll pretend it was not worth answering.

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I'm not Catholic. However, my Catholic friends rarely attend mass, vote pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, and use birth control. Regardless of your feelings on those things, that's hardly hard core.

Oh my gosh you are dense, read the "catholics are hardcore" in context again, you dipshit

LOL, you're why I don't like most Catholics.

"you're why I don't like most (Catholics, blacks, senior citizens, 1 %ers, postal workers, etc.)"

Nice group bias.

If you don't want someone biased against a group, you might want to refrain from calling them a dipshit.

or saying people have announced their superiority over your and then responding with eye rolling when asked for an example of that announcement.

Eye rolling is the new "You're not Catholic so you don't understand it."

No one except the two of you really care about your little sidebar argument.

+100

The last two posters cared enough to come back to the discussion and say (or agree) that no one else cares about it.

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My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.

Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.

This is interesting. I grew up catholic but never attended Catholic school so I could be getting some information wrong. I believe I was taught though that the most important thing was that Jesus died and suffered for our sins so that we could go to heaven. Somewhere along the line I was told that Jesus suffered in hell for all our sins after being crucified so that we could go to heaven. Not sure if this is the actual catholic teaching, but we definitely spent more time discussing his suffering than his rising. There is a whole month called Lent where catholics spend time "suffering" in a small way to remind themselves of Jesus's suffering. Then there is a long time at Easter where they rejoice that the gates to heaven are open, but the actual ascension is just one day of reflection. So catholics basically spend a lot of time remembering his suffering and rejoicing that they can go to heaven, but do not dwell excessively on the fact that Jesus's body rose from the dead to go back to God. They believe it, but I guess growing up it didn't seem like a huge feat since Jesus was god after all and came from God to begin with so was just going back home.

Curious now. What are protestant's taught?

Still waiting for a protestant to tell me why a cross verses a crucifix is so much better and how it helped them learn more about Christ.

Where did a protestant say a cross without Jesus hanging from it helped them learn more about Christ?

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My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.

Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.

This is interesting. I grew up catholic but never attended Catholic school so I could be getting some information wrong. I believe I was taught though that the most important thing was that Jesus died and suffered for our sins so that we could go to heaven. Somewhere along the line I was told that Jesus suffered in hell for all our sins after being crucified so that we could go to heaven. Not sure if this is the actual catholic teaching, but we definitely spent more time discussing his suffering than his rising. There is a whole month called Lent where catholics spend time "suffering" in a small way to remind themselves of Jesus's suffering. Then there is a long time at Easter where they rejoice that the gates to heaven are open, but the actual ascension is just one day of reflection. So catholics basically spend a lot of time remembering his suffering and rejoicing that they can go to heaven, but do not dwell excessively on the fact that Jesus's body rose from the dead to go back to God. They believe it, but I guess growing up it didn't seem like a huge feat since Jesus was god after all and came from God to begin with so was just going back home.

Curious now. What are protestant's taught?

Still waiting for a protestant to tell me why a cross verses a crucifix is so much better and how it helped them learn more about Christ.

Where did a protestant say a cross without Jesus hanging from it helped them learn more about Christ?

Above the P said that it is more important that Jesus had risen, not that had died on the cross. A C said they were taught the suffering was more important, then asked what are P's taught, but nobody answered.

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My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.

Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.

This is interesting. I grew up catholic but never attended Catholic school so I could be getting some information wrong. I believe I was taught though that the most important thing was that Jesus died and suffered for our sins so that we could go to heaven. Somewhere along the line I was told that Jesus suffered in hell for all our sins after being crucified so that we could go to heaven. Not sure if this is the actual catholic teaching, but we definitely spent more time discussing his suffering than his rising. There is a whole month called Lent where catholics spend time "suffering" in a small way to remind themselves of Jesus's suffering. Then there is a long time at Easter where they rejoice that the gates to heaven are open, but the actual ascension is just one day of reflection. So catholics basically spend a lot of time remembering his suffering and rejoicing that they can go to heaven, but do not dwell excessively on the fact that Jesus's body rose from the dead to go back to God. They believe it, but I guess growing up it didn't seem like a huge feat since Jesus was god after all and came from God to begin with so was just going back home.

Curious now. What are protestant's taught?

Still waiting for a protestant to tell me why a cross verses a crucifix is so much better and how it helped them learn more about Christ.

Where did a protestant say a cross without Jesus hanging from it helped them learn more about Christ?

Above the P said that it is more important that Jesus had risen, not that had died on the cross. A C said they were taught the suffering was more important, then asked what are P's taught, but nobody answered.

IOW, nowhere did a protestant say that a cross helps them understand Christ more that a crucifix does

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.

Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.

This is interesting. I grew up catholic but never attended Catholic school so I could be getting some information wrong. I believe I was taught though that the most important thing was that Jesus died and suffered for our sins so that we could go to heaven. Somewhere along the line I was told that Jesus suffered in hell for all our sins after being crucified so that we could go to heaven. Not sure if this is the actual catholic teaching, but we definitely spent more time discussing his suffering than his rising. There is a whole month called Lent where catholics spend time "suffering" in a small way to remind themselves of Jesus's suffering. Then there is a long time at Easter where they rejoice that the gates to heaven are open, but the actual ascension is just one day of reflection. So catholics basically spend a lot of time remembering his suffering and rejoicing that they can go to heaven, but do not dwell excessively on the fact that Jesus's body rose from the dead to go back to God. They believe it, but I guess growing up it didn't seem like a huge feat since Jesus was god after all and came from God to begin with so was just going back home.

Curious now. What are protestant's taught?

Still waiting for a protestant to tell me why a cross verses a crucifix is so much better and how it helped them learn more about Christ.

Where did a protestant say a cross without Jesus hanging from it helped them learn more about Christ?

Above the P said that it is more important that Jesus had risen, not that had died on the cross. A C said they were taught the suffering was more important, then asked what are P's taught, but nobody answered.

IOW, nowhere did a protestant say that a cross helps them understand Christ more that a crucifix does

They said the main point about Jesus was that he had risen from the dead (instead of dying for all of our sins) and that somehow having a cross without Jesus dying on it symbolized this importance in the risen christ. I'd like to know more about how protestant churches differ in this regard than Catholic churches. Suffering is definitely taught to children in catholic churches and the crucifix is part of that discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:

My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.

Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.

This is interesting. I grew up catholic but never attended Catholic school so I could be getting some information wrong. I believe I was taught though that the most important thing was that Jesus died and suffered for our sins so that we could go to heaven. Somewhere along the line I was told that Jesus suffered in hell for all our sins after being crucified so that we could go to heaven. Not sure if this is the actual catholic teaching, but we definitely spent more time discussing his suffering than his rising. There is a whole month called Lent where catholics spend time "suffering" in a small way to remind themselves of Jesus's suffering. Then there is a long time at Easter where they rejoice that the gates to heaven are open, but the actual ascension is just one day of reflection. So catholics basically spend a lot of time remembering his suffering and rejoicing that they can go to heaven, but do not dwell excessively on the fact that Jesus's body rose from the dead to go back to God. They believe it, but I guess growing up it didn't seem like a huge feat since Jesus was god after all and came from God to begin with so was just going back home.

Curious now. What are protestant's taught?

Still waiting for a protestant to tell me why a cross verses a crucifix is so much better and how it helped them learn more about Christ.

Where did a protestant say a cross without Jesus hanging from it helped them learn more about Christ?

Above the P said that it is more important that Jesus had risen, not that had died on the cross. A C said they were taught the suffering was more important, then asked what are P's taught, but nobody answered.

IOW, nowhere did a protestant say that a cross helps them understand Christ more that a crucifix does

They said the main point about Jesus was that he had risen from the dead (instead of dying for all of our sins) and that somehow having a cross without Jesus dying on it symbolized this importance in the risen christ. I'd like to know more about how protestant churches differ in this regard than Catholic churches. Suffering is definitely taught to children in catholic churches and the crucifix is part of that discussion.

+1 I'd like to hear more about this too. Maybe it would help me understand more why some Protestant posters on here are saying the things they are saying about how much crucifix bothers them.

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My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.

Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.

This is interesting. I grew up catholic but never attended Catholic school so I could be getting some information wrong. I believe I was taught though that the most important thing was that Jesus died and suffered for our sins so that we could go to heaven. Somewhere along the line I was told that Jesus suffered in hell for all our sins after being crucified so that we could go to heaven. Not sure if this is the actual catholic teaching, but we definitely spent more time discussing his suffering than his rising. There is a whole month called Lent where catholics spend time "suffering" in a small way to remind themselves of Jesus's suffering. Then there is a long time at Easter where they rejoice that the gates to heaven are open, but the actual ascension is just one day of reflection. So catholics basically spend a lot of time remembering his suffering and rejoicing that they can go to heaven, but do not dwell excessively on the fact that Jesus's body rose from the dead to go back to God. They believe it, but I guess growing up it didn't seem like a huge feat since Jesus was god after all and came from God to begin with so was just going back home.

Curious now. What are protestant's taught?

Still waiting for a protestant to tell me why a cross verses a crucifix is so much better and how it helped them learn more about Christ.

Where did a protestant say a cross without Jesus hanging from it helped them learn more about Christ?

Above the P said that it is more important that Jesus had risen, not that had died on the cross. A C said they were taught the suffering was more important, then asked what are P's taught, but nobody answered.

IOW, nowhere did a protestant say that a cross helps them understand Christ more that a crucifix does

They said the main point about Jesus was that he had risen from the dead (instead of dying for all of our sins) and that somehow having a cross without Jesus dying on it symbolized this importance in the risen christ. I'd like to know more about how protestant churches differ in this regard than Catholic churches. Suffering is definitely taught to children in catholic churches and the crucifix is part of that discussion.

In catholic churches, the risen Christ is also celebrated. Both suffering and rising are taught.

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My Presbyterian church has a beautiful wooden cross suspended from the ceiling, but no body.

Because the important thing is that he is risen, not that he was crucified.

This is interesting. I grew up catholic but never attended Catholic school so I could be getting some information wrong. I believe I was taught though that the most important thing was that Jesus died and suffered for our sins so that we could go to heaven. Somewhere along the line I was told that Jesus suffered in hell for all our sins after being crucified so that we could go to heaven. Not sure if this is the actual catholic teaching, but we definitely spent more time discussing his suffering than his rising. There is a whole month called Lent where catholics spend time "suffering" in a small way to remind themselves of Jesus's suffering. Then there is a long time at Easter where they rejoice that the gates to heaven are open, but the actual ascension is just one day of reflection. So catholics basically spend a lot of time remembering his suffering and rejoicing that they can go to heaven, but do not dwell excessively on the fact that Jesus's body rose from the dead to go back to God. They believe it, but I guess growing up it didn't seem like a huge feat since Jesus was god after all and came from God to begin with so was just going back home.

Curious now. What are protestant's taught?

Still waiting for a protestant to tell me why a cross verses a crucifix is so much better and how it helped them learn more about Christ.

Where did a protestant say a cross without Jesus hanging from it helped them learn more about Christ?

Above the P said that it is more important that Jesus had risen, not that had died on the cross. A C said they were taught the suffering was more important, then asked what are P's taught, but nobody answered.

IOW, nowhere did a protestant say that a cross helps them understand Christ more that a crucifix does

They said the main point about Jesus was that he had risen from the dead (instead of dying for all of our sins) and that somehow having a cross without Jesus dying on it symbolized this importance in the risen christ. I'd like to know more about how protestant churches differ in this regard than Catholic churches. Suffering is definitely taught to children in catholic churches and the crucifix is part of that discussion.

+1 I'd like to hear more about this too. Maybe it would help me understand more why some Protestant posters on here are saying the things they are saying about how much crucifix bothers them.

that's a different issue - i.e. focusing on resurrection vs being bothered by crucifixion -- not necessarily felt by the same person or taught by a denomination of protestantism -- could just be a personal view -- like the Catholic who started the thread who had some issues with crucifixion relating to exposing her daughter to Catholicism.

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I am former Catholic, who had no particular problems with the crucifix growing up -- it was just there.

Now I see it as extremely off-putting. It is,after all, a person painfully dying before our eyes. I understand its meaning to Catholics. I don't think it's a good thing to be passed on to future generations.

I think the Protestants had it right, and generally have it right, (the non-fundamentalists, that is) in terms of keeping up with the more humane times, not only with respect to not glorifying torture, but with respect to modern thinking about various social issues - women, gays, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I were both raised Catholic (attended Mass every Sunday; the works). Our child is baptized Catholic, and we have taken her to Christmas and Easter masses a few times. She is still little - only 3 - but DH and I are starting to think about how much we want to integrate church life into our life. We'd like her to have the cultural and family background of Catholicism, and be grounded in the basic faith, but I don't think we are ready for the crucifixion discussion or any of the other rather gruesome aspects.

Anyone have any suggestions about ways to carefully raise a Catholic child, without necessarily going the Sunday School route?

Thank you

Oh lord. I think you are a troll because if you were raised catholic you would know no one is going to whip out a bloody crucifix and shove it in a three year olds face. You'd also know to reach holy communion "sunday school" (which a catholic would likely call CCD, catechism or if you want to be fancy confraternity of christian doctrine) is required unless they are enrolled in parochial.

I'm a cradle catholic and honestly until I saw The Passion as an adult I never encountered any "rather gruesome aspects".

If this is a serious question you may want to try being an Episcopalian.

Cradle Catholic here, Catholic school from K - Senior year in HS. The crucifix itself, with the tortured figure of Jesus nailed to it, is omnipresent. Hanging in every classroom. Undeniably "gruesome" all by itself.

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Anonymous wrote:DH and I were both raised Catholic (attended Mass every Sunday; the works). Our child is baptized Catholic, and we have taken her to Christmas and Easter masses a few times. She is still little - only 3 - but DH and I are starting to think about how much we want to integrate church life into our life. We'd like her to have the cultural and family background of Catholicism, and be grounded in the basic faith, but I don't think we are ready for the crucifixion discussion or any of the other rather gruesome aspects.

Anyone have any suggestions about ways to carefully raise a Catholic child, without necessarily going the Sunday School route?

Thank you

Oh lord. I think you are a troll because if you were raised catholic you would know no one is going to whip out a bloody crucifix and shove it in a three year olds face. You'd also know to reach holy communion "sunday school" (which a catholic would likely call CCD, catechism or if you want to be fancy confraternity of christian doctrine) is required unless they are enrolled in parochial.

I'm a cradle catholic and honestly until I saw The Passion as an adult I never encountered any "rather gruesome aspects".

If this is a serious question you may want to try being an Episcopalian.

Cradle Catholic here, Catholic school from K - Senior year in HS. The crucifix itself, with the tortured figure of Jesus nailed to it, is omnipresent. Hanging in every classroom. Undeniably "gruesome" all by itself.

Any current Catholic school parents here? Do they still do that?

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In catholic churches, the risen Christ is also celebrated. Both suffering and rising are taught.

Really? Because He's still hanging there in every Catholic Church/hospital/home I've visited.