Statistics Show an Ivy League Asian Quota
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Anonymous
+1. The stuff about all (or most) applicants to Ivies being equally qualified (as far as it relates to numeric qualifications) is also complete garbage. If that were the truth, why do we get the statistical discrepancies between Asian, white, and URM students? Year in and year out, the numbers may fluctuate slightly, but the ultimate story always remains the same. Are people really suggesting that Ivies pass up the most numerically qualified URMs and white students (i.e. those with the highest SATs and GPAs) in order to admit their lesser achieving counterparts? Are high scoring whites or URMs just study robots like Asians that don't deserve to be admitted over their lower-scoring, but more "well-rounded" peers? Or are people suggesting that somehow all the best admits from these categories decide to go other schools (even though the Asian-white-URM pattern holds up throughout most of academia)? These are the scenarios that would have to be happening for the numbers to even remotely make sense. |
Anonymous
| It's so sad that many posters here keep trying to insinuate or outright believe that Asian students have nothing to offer colleges besides GPAs and SAT scores. |
Anonymous
Calling Asians brainy does not mean that I called you stupid! Why the thin skin? |
Anonymous
| What is also sad is people with racist views calling other people racist for not agreeing with them. |
Anonymous
Doesn't UVA have AA as well? |
Anonymous
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"In his essay ''The Myth of American Meritocracy'' Ron Unz makes the case that Asians are being discriminated against in order to increase the number of Jewish students who he says now take far more places at Harvard than can be justified by either merit or fairness. From memory about half or even more of the white students are Jewish. Because of this the cost of affirmative action for Hispanics and blacks falls on Asian AND non Jewish white kids.
It is unfair and dishonest to leave it open for naive readers to infer from these articles that non Jewish white kids are benefiting at the expense Asian kids when in fact they are as much victims of the system as Asians kids." |
Anonymous
Provide some examples please. |
Anonymous
| 8 pages and nobody has pointed out that this is not a news article, its an opinion piece from someone with a long track record of raising this race as a political wedge issue. |
Anonymous
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"There is an unspoken Asian quota at Harvard , at every Ivy League school, and at every elite college or university in America.
It is no different than Jewish quotas in the Pre-War Years. Asians are accepted, but they must be of Super-Selective Caliber. And like the Jews, they are more qualified than their peers. And because of pre-selection criteria, are more likely to excel over their peers, more likely to graduate, and more likely to win honors. It is not a level playing field after admission. And we see this particularly in technical and STEM fields, which are in high demand. And it is unfair to normal admits who must compete with super students. We see the casualties in low rates of black and Hispanic gradation rates--even in the Ivy league. And we see this is large science 101 classes that are graded on a curve. Like the Market, the more you impose perverse incentives, the more screwy the results. Affirmative action rewards mediocrity, especially if you are born with the right race checklist category. If you really wanted the best most qualified students with the best promise, in the Pre War Years most of Harvard would have been Jewish. And in an Asian Century, today most of Harvard would be Asian. That is simply the Price of Excellence. The world changes. Like Pre War America and Post War, and Global America, Universities MUST adapt." |
Anonymous
When the source presents statistical data to support the point, attacking the source instead of the data is pretty lame. |
Anonymous
| The comprehensive college application evaluation system dates back to the 1920s. The system has its origins at a time when officials were afraid alumni would be upset if large numbers of Jews or Catholics were admitted. Future students might choose another university. So in addition to an entrance exam, officials based admission decisions on subjective data such as personal background and recommendation letters. The American admissions process is not transparent and was never meant to be. |
Anonymous
Google around and you will find that there are others who think that Unz cooked the statistics to support his point.* Again, this is NOT a news story that would be reporting on the findings of a peer reviewed study. One error Unz made is that he estimated the Jewish overrepresentation rate by estimating Jews at Harvard using surnames and dividing by the number of Jews nationally. But Harvard does not draw its incoming class equally from all states, and the US Jewish population is concentrated in the northeast, where Harvard obtains a higher fraction of students. |
Anonymous
| I keep clicking on this thread just to see how many times Asian Racist Mom will bump it up. (Yes, I realize 14:08 is a rare sane and well-informed person.) |
Anonymous
| Any top school that isn't majority Asian is commuting fraud. |
Anonymous
LOL, in what way? I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. Perhaps your own test scores weren't that high? While the exact wording of fraud charges varies among state and federal laws. the essential elements needed to prove a fraud claim in general include: (1) a misrepresentation of a material fact; (2) by a person or entity who knows or believes it to be false; (3) to a person or entity who justifiably relies on the misrepresentation; and (4) actual injury or loss resulting from his or her reliance. - http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/fraud.html#sthash.I2aHbgHB.dpuf Top schools do not say anywhere that they take only the applicants with the best scores. They have misrepresented nothing. |