Correlation between SCAT and SAT results for 7th grader

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Anonymous wrote:This is in the wrong forum, as it has nothing to do with va public schools.

au contraire. I very much beg to differ. You don't think participating in CTY can be valuable for a TJ application?

Every child in this region is taking CTY. Means diddly squat. And most are not even preparing. That much of a diddly squat!!

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Anonymous wrote:What is a DC?

Dear Child

District of Columbia

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PPs, nothing ridiculous about 12-year olds scoring 700 (out of 800) on parts of the SAT. 95% of 11th graders cannot do that. And each and every time my DCs get the chance to take a standardized test like the SAT, whether for fun or practice or admission to school or CTY or TIP, they will do so. Because their whole world will be exams from here on out. SAT, GMAT, LSAT, CPA, med boards, bar exam, etc, to name a few. There is an art to test taking. IMO Parents who pretend there isn't are either not wanting their DCs to do better than they did ... Or making excuses for DCs who don't have the skills to test adequately.

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Anonymous wrote:PPs, nothing ridiculous about 12-year olds scoring 700 (out of 800) on parts of the SAT. 95% of 11th graders cannot do that. And each and every time my DCs get the chance to take a standardized test like the SAT, whether for fun or practice or admission to school or CTY or TIP, they will do so. Because their whole world will be exams from here on out. SAT, GMAT, LSAT, CPA, med boards, bar exam, etc, to name a few. There is an art to test taking. IMO Parents who pretend there isn't are either not wanting their DCs to do better than they did ... Or making excuses for DCs who don't have the skills to test adequately.

No, but it is ridiculous to penalize a 12yo for not making 700.
If parents let the kid think s/he is only as good as his/her test scores... woe to the kid.

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My child took the SCAT and the ACT in 7th grade and didn't prepare much. Nothing formal, just a practice test or two online. She qualified for high honors/grand recognition for both CTY and TIP. She said she didn't finish the math part of the SCAT and still made high honors on quantitative. t was surprised by her ACT norms - it just goes to show that as a nation there are so many poorly prepared 12th graders. There are different qualification levels too. Duke has Center vs. Academy programs, for example. So the scores do matter. Everyone who takes the test for CTY 'gets in' to CTY but you have to do really well on the SAT or ACT to get into a TIP Center.

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t was surprised by her ACT norms - it just goes to show that as a nation there are so many poorly prepared 12th graders.

Both the ACT and the SAT are written in such a way that the scores will be spread out over what is essentially a bell curve. They are not the kind of tests in which everyone should be capable of getting 100% of the answers correct. They are meant to separate out the test takers so colleges have a standard to compare applicants, since GPAs can vary so much from school to school.
So, the questions are designed so that not everyone will get them all right. If, for some reason, more students began to answer more of the questions correctly, the test writers will readjust the test questions to put in more of a mix that they know will only be answered correctly by a smaller percentage. The idea is to make the test a more useful tool for college admission officers. Only a certain percentage should score in, say, the 700s, a larger percentage in the 600s, and then, a larger still percentage in the 500s. The idea is that there is a midline score that will be achieved by the highest percentage of test-takers, and the test is adjusted for the future if the results begin to vary from that goal.

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Of course they are correlated. Smart kids are msmart and therefore test well on most test they encounter that aim to test ability.

Now, if your real question is "my kid got in the 99th percentile on the first, will he do the same on the next" then the only answer is "you will just have to wait for the results."

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My child took the SCAT and the ACT in 7th grade and didn't prepare much. Nothing formal, just a practice test or two online. She qualified for high honors/grand recognition for both CTY and TIP. She said she didn't finish the math part of the SCAT and still made high honors on quantitative. t was surprised by her ACT norms - it just goes to show that as a nation there are so many poorly prepared 12th graders. There are different qualification levels too. Duke has Center vs. Academy programs, for example. So the scores do matter. Everyone who takes the test for CTY 'gets in' to CTY but you have to do really well on the SAT or ACT to get into a TIP Center.

Lies. There is no grand recognition ceremony at CTY for SCAT results. Loose lips and keyboard tips here.

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My child took the SCAT and the ACT in 7th grade and didn't prepare much. Nothing formal, just a practice test or two online. She qualified for high honors/grand recognition for both CTY and TIP. She said she didn't finish the math part of the SCAT and still made high honors on quantitative. t was surprised by her ACT norms - it just goes to show that as a nation there are so many poorly prepared 12th graders. There are different qualification levels too. Duke has Center vs. Academy programs, for example. So the scores do matter. Everyone who takes the test for CTY 'gets in' to CTY but you have to do really well on the SAT or ACT to get into a TIP Center.

Lies. There is no grand recognition ceremony at CTY for SCAT results. Loose lips and keyboard tips here.

Yes there is http://cty.jhu.edu/talent/testing/after.html#Grand

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My child took the SCAT and the ACT in 7th grade and didn't prepare much. Nothing formal, just a practice test or two online. She qualified for high honors/grand recognition for both CTY and TIP. She said she didn't finish the math part of the SCAT and still made high honors on quantitative. t was surprised by her ACT norms - it just goes to show that as a nation there are so many poorly prepared 12th graders. There are different qualification levels too. Duke has Center vs. Academy programs, for example. So the scores do matter. Everyone who takes the test for CTY 'gets in' to CTY but you have to do really well on the SAT or ACT to get into a TIP Center.
Lies. There is no grand recognition ceremony at CTY for SCAT results. Loose lips and keyboard tips here.

Yes there is http://cty.jhu.edu/talent/testing/after.html#Grand

Loose lips and still drooling. If this is the case what is the cut off SCAT score needed to get an invitation to the CTY-SET group and the Grand Ceremony. As Sigmund Freud would say: in your dreams you had wished your child (without much preparation) made the cut off. In general, to get an invitation to be a CTY-SET (Study for Exceptional Talent) member one needs > or = 700 on any section of the SAT exam before the age of 13. The latter gets one invited to the CTY Grand Ceremony held in the fall of 2014 at JHU.

Many people taking SCAT will qualify for regular acknowledgement ceremonies (usually 30 to 40% of test takers). Your child may (or may not) fall into this large group of qualifiers or perhaps doesn't make it but scores high enough to be eligible for it's programs (Perhaps your child is here). It is in the best business model interest of CTY-JHU to have your child qualify as if brings more bucks to the coffers!!

I do not know you or your child but from your drivel one can say unequivocably your child did not get invited to the CTY Grand Ceremony held annually in the fall at JHU and your child did not score above 700 on any part of the SAT before the age of 13 (about 350 to 400 around the world do).

Sorry to burst your bubble.

...Sigmund Freud

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Grand Ceremony Eligibility Chart

Test
Grade 7 or 8 Required scores
SAT
7 Math >=700 or Critical Reading >=700

8 Math >=750 or Critical Reading >=750

ACT

7 Math >=28 or Reading >=31

8 Math >=32 or Reading >=33
SCAT 7 Math >= 508 or Verbal >= 488
8 Math >= 511 or Verbal >=490
STB 7 STB >=700
8 STB >=750

The information in the above link to a table shows the scores needed on various tests to be eligible for Grand Ceremony recognition. It clearly indicates that scores in the SCAT or ACT can indeed qualify a child for the "Grand Ceremony."

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Anonymous wrote:I do not know you or your child but from your drivel one can say unequivocably your child did not get invited to the CTY Grand Ceremony held annually in the fall at JHU and your child did not score above 700 on any part of the SAT before the age of 13 (about 350 to 400 around the world do).

Sorry to burst your bubble.

...Sigmund Freud

I am the PP who posted the link. I am not the one writing about their kid making it to the Grand Ceremony based on SCAT. My own kid actually did not reach the 700 cutoff but even if he did, we would not have gone to the ceremony out of principle.
The amount of vitriol in response to a simple fact correction, however, is amusing.

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I am the PP who posted the link. I am not the one writing about their kid making it to the Grand Ceremony based on SCAT. My own kid actually did not reach the 700 cutoff but even if he did, we would not have gone to the ceremony out of principle.
The amount of vitriol in response to a simple fact correction, however, is amusing.

Thanks, as suspected. No need for the rejoinder: "... even if he did, we would not have gone to the ceremony out of principle."

I am your shrink. The rejoinder sounds like sour grapes and overtly defensive. Do you really think those who attend have no principle (s) ?

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I am the PP who posted the link. I am not the one writing about their kid making it to the Grand Ceremony based on SCAT. My own kid actually did not reach the 700 cutoff but even if he did, we would not have gone to the ceremony out of principle.
The amount of vitriol in response to a simple fact correction, however, is amusing.

Thanks, as suspected. No need for the rejoinder: "... even if he did, we would not have gone to the ceremony out of principle."

I am your shrink. The rejoinder sounds like sour grapes and overtly defensive. Do you really think those who attend have no principle (s) ?

So you do not deny the fact correction. Good.

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We do provided you remove the lie (s).