Question for atheists RE: 9/11

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and as far as your question: "If the atheists are right, why do most people walk around deluding themselves?"

Every single thing you've ever written on this topic answers your question. People love to hear pleasant-sounding myths, regardless of whether they're true or not. And they have very, very little self-awareness.

Is arrogance a virtue to atheists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and as far as your question: "If the atheists are right, why do most people walk around deluding themselves?"

Every single thing you've ever written on this topic answers your question. People love to hear pleasant-sounding myths, regardless of whether they're true or not. And they have very, very little self-awareness.

Is arrogance a virtue to atheists?

Are fancy dresses a virtue to theists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, I heard the audio clips that were played at the only trial for a co-conspirator for 9/11. They were so haunting, and chilling.

I wonder...how do atheists process the tragedy? Those victims who screamed "Oh God" as they died...did they just cease to exist? All those innocent lives lost...were they just snuffed out, no justice, no peace?

IMO - death is like before we were conceived. Simple non existence. It wasn't so bad then was it?

There's no evidence for any afterlife, so I don't believe an afterlife exists. And I wonder how people handle the belief that the victims that didn't believe in _____ (fill in the blank) are burning in hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, I heard the audio clips that were played at the only trial for a co-conspirator for 9/11. They were so haunting, and chilling.

I wonder...how do atheists process the tragedy? Those victims who screamed "Oh God" as they died...did they just cease to exist? All those innocent lives lost...were they just snuffed out, no justice, no peace?

IMO - death is like before we were conceived. Simple non existence. It wasn't so bad then was it?

There's no evidence for any afterlife, so I don't believe an afterlife exists. And I wonder how people handle the belief that the victims that didn't believe in _____ (fill in the blank) are burning in hell.

Unless you consider "near death experiences" evidence. Which I do. And I know, I know... Some scientists will say that this is the brain reacting to lack of oxygen. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. But I think the similarities between near-death experiences, especially in small children, are difficult to ignore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and as far as your question: "If the atheists are right, why do most people walk around deluding themselves?"

Every single thing you've ever written on this topic answers your question. People love to hear pleasant-sounding myths, regardless of whether they're true or not. And they have very, very little self-awareness.

Is arrogance a virtue to atheists?

Because there are no arrogant theists, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, I heard the audio clips that were played at the only trial for a co-conspirator for 9/11. They were so haunting, and chilling.

I wonder...how do atheists process the tragedy? Those victims who screamed "Oh God" as they died...did they just cease to exist? All those innocent lives lost...were they just snuffed out, no justice, no peace?

IMO - death is like before we were conceived. Simple non existence. It wasn't so bad then was it?

There's no evidence for any afterlife, so I don't believe an afterlife exists. And I wonder how people handle the belief that the victims that didn't believe in _____ (fill in the blank) are burning in hell.

Unless you consider "near death experiences" evidence. Which I do. And I know, I know... Some scientists will say that this is the brain reacting to lack of oxygen. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. But I think the similarities between near-death experiences, especially in small children, are difficult to ignore.

I don't. Mostly because it does have a scientific explanation and because if people supposedly see more then their life flash before their eyes and a flash of light it often reflects the beliefs they are exposed to or already believe in. And of course, sometimes the supposed stories are not credible either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, I heard the audio clips that were played at the only trial for a co-conspirator for 9/11. They were so haunting, and chilling.

I wonder...how do atheists process the tragedy? Those victims who screamed "Oh God" as they died...did they just cease to exist? All those innocent lives lost...were they just snuffed out, no justice, no peace?

IMO - death is like before we were conceived. Simple non existence. It wasn't so bad then was it?

There's no evidence for any afterlife, so I don't believe an afterlife exists. And I wonder how people handle the belief that the victims that didn't believe in _____ (fill in the blank) are burning in hell.

Unless you consider "near death experiences" evidence. Which I do. And I know, I know... Some scientists will say that this is the brain reacting to lack of oxygen. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. But I think the similarities between near-death experiences, especially in small children, are difficult to ignore.

I don't. Mostly because it does have a scientific explanation and because if people supposedly see more then their life flash before their eyes and a flash of light it often reflects the beliefs they are exposed to or already believe in. And of course, sometimes the supposed stories are not credible either.

See that's the thing. Very often people have near death experiences which lead them to change their entire belief systems. They do not always reflect what people already believed. I have read just about every book I could find on the subject. It's interesting stuff. I'm not saying it proves or disproves anything but, as an agnostic, I give it consideration. The "scientific explanation" is only a theory. No proof of that either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, I heard the audio clips that were played at the only trial for a co-conspirator for 9/11. They were so haunting, and chilling.

I wonder...how do atheists process the tragedy? Those victims who screamed "Oh God" as they died...did they just cease to exist? All those innocent lives lost...were they just snuffed out, no justice, no peace?

IMO - death is like before we were conceived. Simple non existence. It wasn't so bad then was it?

There's no evidence for any afterlife, so I don't believe an afterlife exists. And I wonder how people handle the belief that the victims that didn't believe in _____ (fill in the blank) are burning in hell.

Unless you consider "near death experiences" evidence. Which I do. And I know, I know... Some scientists will say that this is the brain reacting to lack of oxygen. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. But I think the similarities between near-death experiences, especially in small children, are difficult to ignore.

Why wouldn't they be the same experience if it is the same biological process? The similarity seems easy to explain.

[Anonymous]

You don't have to be near death to have a near death experience. It has happened to pilots enduring high G forces. It happened to me when I was being attacked, but had no serious injury. It can happen during traumatic events. It appears to be a brain function related to disassociation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to be near death to have a near death experience. It has happened to pilots enduring high G forces. It happened to me when I was being attacked, but had no serious injury. It can happen during traumatic events. It appears to be a brain function related to disassociation.

Did you get the whole thing? Leaving your body and being able to describe in great detail what happened while you were unconscious; the dark tunnel, the silver chord, the indescribable bright light and sensation of love beyond anything you had ever experienced in your lifetime; visiting with loved ones who were already dead; etc, etc. Even children as young as 3 years old report the same experiences. It's hard to explain the similarities away when you consider the details provided by some of these children about medical things that were done to them when they were supposedly dead. Sometimes they visit with dead relatives they have never met before. A brain function is just a theory. I can certainly understand why atheists and skeptics don't want to believe this. I am not saying they are proof of an afterlife but they are very interesting to consider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to be near death to have a near death experience. It has happened to pilots enduring high G forces. It happened to me when I was being attacked, but had no serious injury. It can happen during traumatic events. It appears to be a brain function related to disassociation.

Did you get the whole thing? Leaving your body and being able to describe in great detail what happened while you were unconscious; the dark tunnel, the silver chord, the indescribable bright light and sensation of love beyond anything you had ever experienced in your lifetime; visiting with loved ones who were already dead; etc, etc. Even children as young as 3 years old report the same experiences. It's hard to explain the similarities away when you consider the details provided by some of these children about medical things that were done to them when they were supposedly dead. Sometimes they visit with dead relatives they have never met before. A brain function is just a theory. I can certainly understand why atheists and skeptics don't want to believe this. I am not saying they are proof of an afterlife but they are very interesting to consider.

Not the pp but the person who originally mentioned the lack of evidence for an afterlife.

You're assuming those stories are true and credible to begin with. Are they telling the truth? If so, did it happen while they were dead or was it a dream or while semi-conscious?

I'm very, very skeptical of claims of visiting the afterlife while supposedly dead. For some, it seems to be an attention seeking and/or money making ploy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to be near death to have a near death experience. It has happened to pilots enduring high G forces. It happened to me when I was being attacked, but had no serious injury. It can happen during traumatic events. It appears to be a brain function related to disassociation.

Did you get the whole thing? Leaving your body and being able to describe in great detail what happened while you were unconscious; the dark tunnel, the silver chord, the indescribable bright light and sensation of love beyond anything you had ever experienced in your lifetime; visiting with loved ones who were already dead; etc, etc. Even children as young as 3 years old report the same experiences. It's hard to explain the similarities away when you consider the details provided by some of these children about medical things that were done to them when they were supposedly dead. Sometimes they visit with dead relatives they have never met before. A brain function is just a theory. I can certainly understand why atheists and skeptics don't want to believe this. I am not saying they are proof of an afterlife but they are very interesting to consider.

My NDE did not include an out of body experience, other than the floating in space part. I did feel the love and peace unlike anything I've ever experienced. I was a child when it happened.

The out of body experience has been described by some pilots who had the NDE under extreme G forces. Google it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't have to be near death to have a near death experience. It has happened to pilots enduring high G forces. It happened to me when I was being attacked, but had no serious injury. It can happen during traumatic events. It appears to be a brain function related to disassociation.

Did you get the whole thing? Leaving your body and being able to describe in great detail what happened while you were unconscious; the dark tunnel, the silver chord, the indescribable bright light and sensation of love beyond anything you had ever experienced in your lifetime; visiting with loved ones who were already dead; etc, etc. Even children as young as 3 years old report the same experiences. It's hard to explain the similarities away when you consider the details provided by some of these children about medical things that were done to them when they were supposedly dead. Sometimes they visit with dead relatives they have never met before. A brain function is just a theory. I can certainly understand why atheists and skeptics don't want to believe this. I am not saying they are proof of an afterlife but they are very interesting to consider.

That's not really true. Lots of people don't see their dead relatives. You mean that SOME people experience this.

And atheists consider it so much that we study it in a lab.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, and as far as your question: "If the atheists are right, why do most people walk around deluding themselves?"

Every single thing you've ever written on this topic answers your question. People love to hear pleasant-sounding myths, regardless of whether they're true or not. And they have very, very little self-awareness.

Is arrogance a virtue to atheists?

Atheists aren't the ones who claim to know all the answers (ask a non-theist what came before the Big Bang, then ask a theist), or in the case of Pope Benedict, claim to inherit the mantle of St Paul, passed down literally from the Son of God's hand. So, no, atheists aren't the arrogant ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday, I heard the audio clips that were played at the only trial for a co-conspirator for 9/11. They were so haunting, and chilling.

I wonder...how do atheists process the tragedy? Those victims who screamed "Oh God" as they died...did they just cease to exist? All those innocent lives lost...were they just snuffed out, no justice, no peace?

IMO - death is like before we were conceived. Simple non existence. It wasn't so bad then was it?

There's no evidence for any afterlife, so I don't believe an afterlife exists. And I wonder how people handle the belief that the victims that didn't believe in _____ (fill in the blank) are burning in hell.

Unless you consider "near death experiences" evidence. Which I do. And I know, I know... Some scientists will say that this is the brain reacting to lack of oxygen. Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. But I think the similarities between near-death experiences, especially in small children, are difficult to ignore.

Good point. "Near death experiences" certainly count as evidence. Also rainbows. And the fact that no one can explain how magnets work.