Why is everyone at SR leaving?

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Anonymous wrote:I think there should be strong girls sports and enthusiasm for them. AND I think academics should be more of a priority than SR currently shows. More $$ to replace a turf field would be better used to pay more $$ for some better faculty. Academics should be the first priority.

SR got away from recognizing academic achievement. MS girls used to be recognized for their academic honors (honors, high honors, highest honors) by name at Prize Day, which was the only time those were publicly honored. That stopped to avoid making some girls feel bad. But they still regularly recognize athletics achievements. I don't mind recognizing athletics achievements. I do mind recognizing ONLY athletics achievements.

And before anyone asks/insults, I have daughters who ARE recognized for athletics achievements.

Absolutely agreed that they are too worried about hurting someone's feelings for not getting an academic award rather than hurting the girl who actually earned an award and wasn't publicly recognized. It seems like a generational problem, and one that doesn't help our students when they will be expected to be judged on achievement and merit in college and beyond.

A generational problem?

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Anonymous wrote:I think there should be strong girls sports and enthusiasm for them. AND I think academics should be more of a priority than SR currently shows. More $$ to replace a turf field would be better used to pay more $$ for some better faculty. Academics should be the first priority.

SR got away from recognizing academic achievement. MS girls used to be recognized for their academic honors (honors, high honors, highest honors) by name at Prize Day, which was the only time those were publicly honored. That stopped to avoid making some girls feel bad. But they still regularly recognize athletics achievements. I don't mind recognizing athletics achievements. I do mind recognizing ONLY athletics achievements.

And before anyone asks/insults, I have daughters who ARE recognized for athletics achievements.

The upper school has recognition for high/highest honors, cum laude society, and specific department awards (at graduation). They also have their name in the graduation program for athletic awards and other academic achievements (outside of SR).

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At graduation only? Who cares? Everytjust leaves after graduation. Any academic awards in the 12 years leading up to graduation?

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Anonymous wrote:At graduation only? Who cares? Everytjust leaves after graduation. Any academic awards in the 12 years leading up to graduation?

No the department awards are senior year only. The recognition for cum laude is in fall of senior year and the honors recognition is every year of HS during prize day.

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Anonymous wrote:At graduation only? Who cares? Everytjust leaves after graduation. Any academic awards in the 12 years leading up to graduation?

The post was about middle school prize day. They no longer mention who got honors, high honors, or highest honors.

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Anonymous wrote:We got in but decided to go elsewhere. We did not want our daughter to experience the social culture which students report is full of mean girls/moms. Plus we were concerned about the emphasis on the extreme athletic culture. BTW it had nothing to do with ability- our daughter is an outstanding athlete.

This was our reason to go elsewhere also. Our daughter is a strong student, somewhat introverted, and a generally good athlete, but not specialized in a specific sport. We simply did not feel the social culture + intensity of the athletics would be a good fit for her. We enjoyed every faculty member we interacted it. The issue is what we saw in the students and their parents after attending several sports events and watching the sideline scene.

Have you ever attended a similar boys' school athletic event? There are at least 5x the attendees, lots of enthusiasm and school spirit usually with a shirtless student section screaming for their school. SR has a more enthusiastic athletic culture than other girls schools and that's one of the things we most love about it, celebrating young women athletes is definitely a plus. The intensity is nowhere near what you would see at a Landon / GP / Gonzaga boys event but I guess the girls and their parents could cheer even less if that would make visitors feel better. Of course we also have participated in and supported school plays, orchestra performances, and academic competitions. One of my daughters is not an athlete and I don't think she's felt left out, she's found her group there. It is not a perfect school, there are some mean girls / moms, but I think that's true everywhere.

People shouldn't be loud for girls sports, it is unseemly. The girls schools schools should only focus on academics and the arts, leave the enthusiasm for sports to the boys. Also some girls and moms are mean, unlike the boys schools where everyone is universally kind.

Why are you two comparing SR and other all-girls to any all-boys?

Because the criticism of SR is generally sexist and focused on the notion that girls shouldn't focus on sports. Agreed that they could do more to be more academically challenging.

So you immediately jump to comparisons with all boys? No. Compare to other all girls like Madeira and Holton.

Focus.

That's the thing about talking about sexism, you have to compare how a group of girls is treated to a similarly situated group of boys. Saying they like sports more than other girls doesn't really matter.

Try to think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think there should be strong girls sports and enthusiasm for them. AND I think academics should be more of a priority than SR currently shows. More $$ to replace a turf field would be better used to pay more $$ for some better faculty. Academics should be the first priority.

SR got away from recognizing academic achievement. MS girls used to be recognized for their academic honors (honors, high honors, highest honors) by name at Prize Day, which was the only time those were publicly honored. That stopped to avoid making some girls feel bad. But they still regularly recognize athletics achievements. I don't mind recognizing athletics achievements. I do mind recognizing ONLY athletics achievements.

And before anyone asks/insults, I have daughters who ARE recognized for athletics achievements.

Absolutely agreed that they are too worried about hurting someone's feelings for not getting an academic award rather than hurting the girl who actually earned an award and wasn't publicly recognized. It seems like a generational problem, and one that doesn't help our students when they will be expected to be judged on achievement and merit in college and beyond.

A generational problem?

Yes, like this generation is recognized for effort and participation rather than achievement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At graduation only? Who cares? Everytjust leaves after graduation. Any academic awards in the 12 years leading up to graduation?

The post was about middle school prize day. They no longer mention who got honors, high honors, or highest honors.

Oh I don't think they even do that in the high school. That would be a pretty long list to announce, but they do get a certificate. And it's not like the seniors are recognized for high/highest honors in the commencement program either -- just the Cum Laude Society. I am fine with that as it is only about a 20% of the class and it's a bit more special than getting above a certain GPA. No point in giving middle schoolers recognition only to take that away in HS.

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Anonymous wrote:We got in but decided to go elsewhere. We did not want our daughter to experience the social culture which students report is full of mean girls/moms. Plus we were concerned about the emphasis on the extreme athletic culture. BTW it had nothing to do with ability- our daughter is an outstanding athlete.

This was our reason to go elsewhere also. Our daughter is a strong student, somewhat introverted, and a generally good athlete, but not specialized in a specific sport. We simply did not feel the social culture + intensity of the athletics would be a good fit for her. We enjoyed every faculty member we interacted it. The issue is what we saw in the students and their parents after attending several sports events and watching the sideline scene.

Have you ever attended a similar boys' school athletic event? There are at least 5x the attendees, lots of enthusiasm and school spirit usually with a shirtless student section screaming for their school. SR has a more enthusiastic athletic culture than other girls schools and that's one of the things we most love about it, celebrating young women athletes is definitely a plus. The intensity is nowhere near what you would see at a Landon / GP / Gonzaga boys event but I guess the girls and their parents could cheer even less if that would make visitors feel better. Of course we also have participated in and supported school plays, orchestra performances, and academic competitions. One of my daughters is not an athlete and I don't think she's felt left out, she's found her group there. It is not a perfect school, there are some mean girls / moms, but I think that's true everywhere.

People shouldn't be loud for girls sports, it is unseemly. The girls schools schools should only focus on academics and the arts, leave the enthusiasm for sports to the boys. Also some girls and moms are mean, unlike the boys schools where everyone is universally kind.

Why are you two comparing SR and other all-girls to any all-boys?

Because the criticism of SR is generally sexist and focused on the notion that girls shouldn't focus on sports. Agreed that they could do more to be more academically challenging.

So you immediately jump to comparisons with all boys? No. Compare to other all girls like Madeira and Holton.

Focus.

That's the thing about talking about sexism, you have to compare how a group of girls is treated to a similarly situated group of boys. Saying they like sports more than other girls doesn't really matter.

Try to think.

No. This thread is about girls schools. Why are you measuring girls against boys like that is the standard girls should measure themselves against.

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Anonymous wrote:We got in but decided to go elsewhere. We did not want our daughter to experience the social culture which students report is full of mean girls/moms. Plus we were concerned about the emphasis on the extreme athletic culture. BTW it had nothing to do with ability- our daughter is an outstanding athlete.

This was our reason to go elsewhere also. Our daughter is a strong student, somewhat introverted, and a generally good athlete, but not specialized in a specific sport. We simply did not feel the social culture + intensity of the athletics would be a good fit for her. We enjoyed every faculty member we interacted it. The issue is what we saw in the students and their parents after attending several sports events and watching the sideline scene.

Have you ever attended a similar boys' school athletic event? There are at least 5x the attendees, lots of enthusiasm and school spirit usually with a shirtless student section screaming for their school. SR has a more enthusiastic athletic culture than other girls schools and that's one of the things we most love about it, celebrating young women athletes is definitely a plus. The intensity is nowhere near what you would see at a Landon / GP / Gonzaga boys event but I guess the girls and their parents could cheer even less if that would make visitors feel better. Of course we also have participated in and supported school plays, orchestra performances, and academic competitions. One of my daughters is not an athlete and I don't think she's felt left out, she's found her group there. It is not a perfect school, there are some mean girls / moms, but I think that's true everywhere.

People shouldn't be loud for girls sports, it is unseemly. The girls schools schools should only focus on academics and the arts, leave the enthusiasm for sports to the boys. Also some girls and moms are mean, unlike the boys schools where everyone is universally kind.

Why are you two comparing SR and other all-girls to any all-boys?

Because the criticism of SR is generally sexist and focused on the notion that girls shouldn't focus on sports. Agreed that they could do more to be more academically challenging.

So you immediately jump to comparisons with all boys? No. Compare to other all girls like Madeira and Holton.

Focus.

That's the thing about talking about sexism, you have to compare how a group of girls is treated to a similarly situated group of boys. Saying they like sports more than other girls doesn't really matter.

Try to think.

Why doesn’t it matter? Why is your standard based on what boys are like?

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Anonymous wrote:We got in but decided to go elsewhere. We did not want our daughter to experience the social culture which students report is full of mean girls/moms. Plus we were concerned about the emphasis on the extreme athletic culture. BTW it had nothing to do with ability- our daughter is an outstanding athlete.

This was our reason to go elsewhere also. Our daughter is a strong student, somewhat introverted, and a generally good athlete, but not specialized in a specific sport. We simply did not feel the social culture + intensity of the athletics would be a good fit for her. We enjoyed every faculty member we interacted it. The issue is what we saw in the students and their parents after attending several sports events and watching the sideline scene.

Have you ever attended a similar boys' school athletic event? There are at least 5x the attendees, lots of enthusiasm and school spirit usually with a shirtless student section screaming for their school. SR has a more enthusiastic athletic culture than other girls schools and that's one of the things we most love about it, celebrating young women athletes is definitely a plus. The intensity is nowhere near what you would see at a Landon / GP / Gonzaga boys event but I guess the girls and their parents could cheer even less if that would make visitors feel better. Of course we also have participated in and supported school plays, orchestra performances, and academic competitions. One of my daughters is not an athlete and I don't think she's felt left out, she's found her group there. It is not a perfect school, there are some mean girls / moms, but I think that's true everywhere.

People shouldn't be loud for girls sports, it is unseemly. The girls schools schools should only focus on academics and the arts, leave the enthusiasm for sports to the boys. Also some girls and moms are mean, unlike the boys schools where everyone is universally kind.

Why are you two comparing SR and other all-girls to any all-boys?

Because the criticism of SR is generally sexist and focused on the notion that girls shouldn't focus on sports. Agreed that they could do more to be more academically challenging.

So you immediately jump to comparisons with all boys? No. Compare to other all girls like Madeira and Holton.

Focus.

That's the thing about talking about sexism, you have to compare how a group of girls is treated to a similarly situated group of boys. Saying they like sports more than other girls doesn't really matter.

Try to think.

No. This thread is about girls schools. Why are you measuring girls against boys like that is the standard girls should measure themselves against.

This thread is about Stone Ridge. Several people have complained that SR is too focused on sports. SR has more of a sports culture than most girls schools but is nowhere near the sports culture of most boys schools. The comment that they shouldn't be so focused on sports is sexist because that isn't something you would ever say about a similar boys school. You seem purposefully obtuse about this.

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Anonymous wrote:We got in but decided to go elsewhere. We did not want our daughter to experience the social culture which students report is full of mean girls/moms. Plus we were concerned about the emphasis on the extreme athletic culture. BTW it had nothing to do with ability- our daughter is an outstanding athlete.

This was our reason to go elsewhere also. Our daughter is a strong student, somewhat introverted, and a generally good athlete, but not specialized in a specific sport. We simply did not feel the social culture + intensity of the athletics would be a good fit for her. We enjoyed every faculty member we interacted it. The issue is what we saw in the students and their parents after attending several sports events and watching the sideline scene.

Have you ever attended a similar boys' school athletic event? There are at least 5x the attendees, lots of enthusiasm and school spirit usually with a shirtless student section screaming for their school. SR has a more enthusiastic athletic culture than other girls schools and that's one of the things we most love about it, celebrating young women athletes is definitely a plus. The intensity is nowhere near what you would see at a Landon / GP / Gonzaga boys event but I guess the girls and their parents could cheer even less if that would make visitors feel better. Of course we also have participated in and supported school plays, orchestra performances, and academic competitions. One of my daughters is not an athlete and I don't think she's felt left out, she's found her group there. It is not a perfect school, there are some mean girls / moms, but I think that's true everywhere.

People shouldn't be loud for girls sports, it is unseemly. The girls schools schools should only focus on academics and the arts, leave the enthusiasm for sports to the boys. Also some girls and moms are mean, unlike the boys schools where everyone is universally kind.

Why are you two comparing SR and other all-girls to any all-boys?

Because the criticism of SR is generally sexist and focused on the notion that girls shouldn't focus on sports. Agreed that they could do more to be more academically challenging.

So you immediately jump to comparisons with all boys? No. Compare to other all girls like Madeira and Holton.

Focus.

That's the thing about talking about sexism, you have to compare how a group of girls is treated to a similarly situated group of boys. Saying they like sports more than other girls doesn't really matter.

Try to think.

No. This thread is about girls schools. Why are you measuring girls against boys like that is the standard girls should measure themselves against.

This thread is about Stone Ridge. Several people have complained that SR is too focused on sports. SR has more of a sports culture than most girls schools but is nowhere near the sports culture of most boys schools. The comment that they shouldn't be so focused on sports is sexist because that isn't something you would ever say about a similar boys school. You seem purposefully obtuse about this.

Actually, the over-emphasis on sports at the expense of academics at different all boys schools is discussed all the time. But never do those discussions compare the boys schools to all girls schools. So why compare the girls schools to the boys schools. Compare them to each other.

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Anonymous wrote:We got in but decided to go elsewhere. We did not want our daughter to experience the social culture which students report is full of mean girls/moms. Plus we were concerned about the emphasis on the extreme athletic culture. BTW it had nothing to do with ability- our daughter is an outstanding athlete.

This was our reason to go elsewhere also. Our daughter is a strong student, somewhat introverted, and a generally good athlete, but not specialized in a specific sport. We simply did not feel the social culture + intensity of the athletics would be a good fit for her. We enjoyed every faculty member we interacted it. The issue is what we saw in the students and their parents after attending several sports events and watching the sideline scene.

Have you ever attended a similar boys' school athletic event? There are at least 5x the attendees, lots of enthusiasm and school spirit usually with a shirtless student section screaming for their school. SR has a more enthusiastic athletic culture than other girls schools and that's one of the things we most love about it, celebrating young women athletes is definitely a plus. The intensity is nowhere near what you would see at a Landon / GP / Gonzaga boys event but I guess the girls and their parents could cheer even less if that would make visitors feel better. Of course we also have participated in and supported school plays, orchestra performances, and academic competitions. One of my daughters is not an athlete and I don't think she's felt left out, she's found her group there. It is not a perfect school, there are some mean girls / moms, but I think that's true everywhere.

People shouldn't be loud for girls sports, it is unseemly. The girls schools schools should only focus on academics and the arts, leave the enthusiasm for sports to the boys. Also some girls and moms are mean, unlike the boys schools where everyone is universally kind.

Why are you two comparing SR and other all-girls to any all-boys?

Because the criticism of SR is generally sexist and focused on the notion that girls shouldn't focus on sports. Agreed that they could do more to be more academically challenging.

So you immediately jump to comparisons with all boys? No. Compare to other all girls like Madeira and Holton.

Focus.

That's the thing about talking about sexism, you have to compare how a group of girls is treated to a similarly situated group of boys. Saying they like sports more than other girls doesn't really matter.

Try to think.

No. This thread is about girls schools. Why are you measuring girls against boys like that is the standard girls should measure themselves against.

This thread is about Stone Ridge. Several people have complained that SR is too focused on sports. SR has more of a sports culture than most girls schools but is nowhere near the sports culture of most boys schools. The comment that they shouldn't be so focused on sports is sexist because that isn't something you would ever say about a similar boys school. You seem purposefully obtuse about this.

Actually, the over-emphasis on sports at the expense of academics at different all boys schools is discussed all the time. But never do those discussions compare the boys schools to all girls schools. So why compare the girls schools to the boys schools. Compare them to each other.

Both comparisons are valid. SR is both more sports oriented than other girls schools and not nearly as sports oriented as the typical boys school. This is why it's important to compare how girls are treated versus boys, female athletes are too much, male athletes are celebrated. The comment that SR is emphasizing its athletes too much is based in sexism.

[Anonymous]

This really derailed. Bringing up boys’ schools is irrelevant. The point is that SR has decided to permit an exclusive mean girl/ mean mom/ uninclusive/ sports obsessed culture. They have lost and will continue to lose good families over it. SR never intended to be an academic pressure cooker - and that is fine. But it’s the other parts that are making people decide to enroll elsewhere and it’s too bad.

[Anonymous]

We went elsewhere too as did several of our friends.