What’s stopping you from trying a GLP / meds?

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Anonymous wrote:Should be $10 per month for tablets

Food and snack industry must be scared.

With my insurance, the Wegovy tablets are over $200 a month.

Change tablets or get the cash or online co negotiated rate. Easily $159 max.

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Too expensive.

Call me when it’s below $40 a month. More like $20.

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The side effects. I have had to to have colorectal surgery and I really don't want to deal with the side effects from constant diarrhea or constipation.

Plus the cost. It's not cheap if you have other medical expenses.

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Price is too high.

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoy working on myself and facing the consequences of my poor choices. This extra 10 pounds I'm carrying isn't because I'm 54 yo -that is a cop out. I gained 10+ pounds because I consistently overate for 2 years and became accustomed to eating amounts of foods meant for a larger person.

Fine, keep a food log and eat less

Sounds like YOU are able to isolate a variable that you can control.

But what if you already dropped the calories and carbs and keep slowly gaining weight? Whilst doing Pilates 3x a week.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoy working on myself and facing the consequences of my poor choices. This extra 10 pounds I'm carrying isn't because I'm 54 yo -that is a cop out. I gained 10+ pounds because I consistently overate for 2 years and became accustomed to eating amounts of foods meant for a larger person.

Fine, keep a food log and eat less

Sounds like YOU are able to isolate a variable that you can control.

But what if you already dropped the calories and carbs and keep slowly gaining weight? Whilst doing Pilates 3x a week.

How old are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The side effects. I have had to to have colorectal surgery and I really don't want to deal with the side effects from constant diarrhea or constipation.

Plus the cost. It's not cheap if you have other medical expenses.

FWIW--I was very worried about the potential constipation or uncontrolled diarrhea, but I have had zero issues there. Everyone is different, and obviously, dosage impacts the severity of side effects, but this was one worry that turned out to be unfounded. I wasn't keen on the expense either, but it's been well worth it. Not only do I now have the energy to exercise more, but my bloodwork is the best it's been in I can't remember how long. Joint pain is gone too. I've saved a ton of money on food and alcohol because I'm eating a significant amount less and have very little interest in drinking.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts are so dumb. So much hand wringing about how other women choose to lose weight. Why do you even care? It's like the same as those women who crow about how other women shouldn't have abortions. Like why do they even care? You're against abortion? Then don't have one. You're against GLP1s? Then don't take them. Who gives a flying F if someone else does? At least the abortion crazies have the whole "you're killing a baby" argument. What do the GLP1 crazies have?

You're calling the people who are recommending caution "the GLP crazies"? I think you have it backwards. There is constant proselytizing, really, like they are new converts to a religion.

It has gotten to the point where people are almost being shamed for avoiding unnecessary medical intervention. The converts cannot possibly imagine the idea that medical interventions such as GLP1 medications actually have trade offs and potential downsides. Why control your weight on your own, actually build muscle mass, eat real food, and increase your cardio vascular health when you can just short cut the whole system to “look good”?

It's more complicated than that, and you're not helping by portraying GLP users as lazy, gluttonous cheaters. I used to believe that anyone could control their weight on their own with diet and exercise. It always worked perfectly for me, until I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance. A lot of people are in a similar boat. GLPs have their place when used responsibly and under the supervision of a real doctor.

I won't disagree with any of that. I will disagree with the original premise of this thread to use these medications for vanity weight.

The population that falls into this category for obesity is very small: I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance.
The population that are using these medications to mask our food system and lifestyle culture and their own unwillingness to spend the time and effort to navigate around it is huge.

PP here. To be fair, food/overeating addiction is also a problem for a lot of people. Obesity is a huge health issue, and if the GLPs are the most effective way for people to reach and maintain a healthy weight, then so be it.

It's tough to have a productive conversation about GLPs, since a large chunk of the population seems to feel that users are cheating and don't deserve to be at a normal, healthy weight.

That's fair. But its also instructive to recognize that the constant victim mentality is also a core problem. Any discussion of suboptimality and pointing out actual FACTS - must be an allegation of cheating. Can't control your weight - I am a victim of the food system. It never ends.

The truth is human biology works in a very predictable way. So does life. Things worth doing are hard. You want the body to adapt, you have to force the adaptation. That's how it works. Want to run a marathon - gotta run a lot. Want the human body to control its own blood sugar - get rid of the adipose tissue, build muscle mass, and intake energy in line with your energy demands. The vast majority of people can do all these things, and it would be far more optimal to do it in line with how the body works on its own. Particularly on the edges of overweight as compared to dangerous obesity.

You do understand that not everyone's body actually works like this, right? That's why some people need this medication. But do go on and continue to feel superior.

The exception has now swallowed the rule. Below remains true. Are you reading? Or are you also part of the narrow exception that everybody on this forum falls into.

“The vast majority of people can do all these things, and it would be far more optimal to do it in line with how the body works on its own. Particularly on the edges of overweight as compared to dangerous obesity.”

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I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

I don’t know about that. My DH is a gastroenterologist and some many of his colleagues are taking GLPs themselves. They all went from a bit chubby to super slim so quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:These posts are so dumb. So much hand wringing about how other women choose to lose weight. Why do you even care? It's like the same as those women who crow about how other women shouldn't have abortions. Like why do they even care? You're against abortion? Then don't have one. You're against GLP1s? Then don't take them. Who gives a flying F if someone else does? At least the abortion crazies have the whole "you're killing a baby" argument. What do the GLP1 crazies have?

You're calling the people who are recommending caution "the GLP crazies"? I think you have it backwards. There is constant proselytizing, really, like they are new converts to a religion.

It has gotten to the point where people are almost being shamed for avoiding unnecessary medical intervention. The converts cannot possibly imagine the idea that medical interventions such as GLP1 medications actually have trade offs and potential downsides. Why control your weight on your own, actually build muscle mass, eat real food, and increase your cardio vascular health when you can just short cut the whole system to “look good”?

It's more complicated than that, and you're not helping by portraying GLP users as lazy, gluttonous cheaters. I used to believe that anyone could control their weight on their own with diet and exercise. It always worked perfectly for me, until I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance. A lot of people are in a similar boat. GLPs have their place when used responsibly and under the supervision of a real doctor.

I won't disagree with any of that. I will disagree with the original premise of this thread to use these medications for vanity weight.

The population that falls into this category for obesity is very small: I was put on medications that cause weight gain and insulin resistance.
The population that are using these medications to mask our food system and lifestyle culture and their own unwillingness to spend the time and effort to navigate around it is huge.

PP here. To be fair, food/overeating addiction is also a problem for a lot of people. Obesity is a huge health issue, and if the GLPs are the most effective way for people to reach and maintain a healthy weight, then so be it.

It's tough to have a productive conversation about GLPs, since a large chunk of the population seems to feel that users are cheating and don't deserve to be at a normal, healthy weight.

That's fair. But its also instructive to recognize that the constant victim mentality is also a core problem. Any discussion of suboptimality and pointing out actual FACTS - must be an allegation of cheating. Can't control your weight - I am a victim of the food system. It never ends.

The truth is human biology works in a very predictable way. So does life. Things worth doing are hard. You want the body to adapt, you have to force the adaptation. That's how it works. Want to run a marathon - gotta run a lot. Want the human body to control its own blood sugar - get rid of the adipose tissue, build muscle mass, and intake energy in line with your energy demands. The vast majority of people can do all these things, and it would be far more optimal to do it in line with how the body works on its own. Particularly on the edges of overweight as compared to dangerous obesity.

You do understand that not everyone's body actually works like this, right? That's why some people need this medication. But do go on and continue to feel superior.

The exception has now swallowed the rule. Below remains true. Are you reading? Or are you also part of the narrow exception that everybody on this forum falls into.

“The vast majority of people can do all these things, and it would be far more optimal to do it in line with how the body works on its own. Particularly on the edges of overweight as compared to dangerous obesity.”

NP-You are correct, but I think this mentality of "things worth doing are hard" and "people can do all these things" are not especially helpful when it comes to weight loss, especially after a certain age. What you "can do" and what you can continue to do day in and day out with considerable effort are vastly different. I'd consider myself a disciplined person in all aspects of my life. I don't eat junk, I cook my food and I exercise. That's my default. Yet I was overweight at 5'2 and 155lbs. So could I have lost weight by trying really, really hard and doing massive calorie restriction? Of course, I am sure I could have. I know because I have at various points, got down to 130...but I could not stick to that long term and always ended up regaining. It made me feel like a failure. I don't think I am atypical in my experience. That's why people end up turning to GLP1s. It's not like they haven't tried the hard way and failed first. There is no glory in struggling, winning, failing, and repeat.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

None of the diabetics on GLPs for decades support this.
What about all their longitudinal data on the safety and minimal long term effects?

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Anonymous wrote:I enjoy working on myself and facing the consequences of my poor choices. This extra 10 pounds I'm carrying isn't because I'm 54 yo -that is a cop out. I gained 10+ pounds because I consistently overate for 2 years and became accustomed to eating amounts of foods meant for a larger person.

Fine, keep a food log and eat less

Sounds like YOU are able to isolate a variable that you can control.

But what if you already dropped the calories and carbs and keep slowly gaining weight? Whilst doing Pilates 3x a week.

Drop the Pilates and lift heavy 2X a week

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s too costly.

My BMI is not 30 obese but it’s also not great. I’m back at a pregnancy weight!

I already don’t overeat. So may try.

My BMI is 30.2 and I'm about to take the plunge. I resisted because my husband is dead set against it but the food noise makes losing weight while I am not sleeping well (menopause) and working a stressful job very difficult

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Anonymous wrote:I think there's a big difference between genuinely having 5-10 pounds to lose and the PP who had a BMI of 27, which is overweight. If your BMI is that high you have 30-40 pounds to lose and maybe it's worth it, but it's not worth it to go from a BMI of 21 to 19 for vanity reasons.

My BMI is 30.2. Need to lose 20% of my body weight. Thinking seriously about getting on one.