Are we abandoning Israel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tel Aviv has had large war protests, defying the order not to congregate. The Israeli people don’t want this war, either.

They don't represent the majority of the genocidal and bloodthirsty Israeli population. And they're protesting the outcome of getting retaliated upon which they're not used to because they are so used to slaughtering defenseless women and children.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an over 60 Jewish woman who is just appalled at my contemporaries who still continue to support Israel. They hate our current administration, they hate fascism, Christian nationalism, religion in public spaces, conservatives, everything, consider themselves liberal, but they have still lost their minds over Israel. Any comment to the contrary is met with accusations of anti semitism, or self hatred.

They seems like completely brainwashed MAGAs on this subject and I have had enough, frankly. To me their attitudes are undereducated and naive, but also cruel.

Da, da - Boris-bot.

DP

What’s weirder? That you think everyone critical of Israel is either anti-semitic or a bot? Or that you don’t understand that literally 8.3 billion people on this planet of 8.5 billion people have developed THE EXACT SAME FEELINGS OF CONTEMPT TOWARD ISRAEL, and towards everyone who continues to sell the Zionism fraud?

What’s weirder that you literally don’t understand how racism works or have the self-reflection to understand that you are DEEP THROATING NEONAZIS when you cannot climax without saying Zionist? That you pray at the alter of IRCG and the manosohere and have sold your soul (if you had one) to Holocaust-deniers, rape is resistance sociopaths, and their fellow travelers?

The only fraud here is you.

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Anonymous wrote:The US and EU will not abandon Israel, OP.

Retreating from this war does not constitute and abandonment of Israel. They will still have weapons deals with the West, and they will still occupy Lebanon. Sadly.

However, the image of Israel as the victim in the Middle East is shattered for this generation.

lol the EU only goes along with the US on Israel. No NATO and 25% tariffs will allow the EU to go their own way. They will put sanctions on Israel.

PP you replied to. I don't think so. I am French, and we deal with the legacy of WWII and the Holocaust in a way Americans cannot understand. I don't think the EU will abandon Israel anytime soon.

How old are you? If you're over 30, you can tell yourself that. But younger people see Israel for the terrorist state it is.

DP. "Younger people" - presumably, like you - are just showing your profound ignorance. You really, really want to forget the Holocaust ever existed. I imagine you like to tell yourself it actually didn't happen, amirite?

No- you are wrong, younger people and history buffs realize that the scope of the holocaust is much larger than 6 million, it ws 12-14 million who died in the camps. the only people who want people to forget are the Israelis, they certainly dont want anyone to remember that there were other victims of teh Nazi brutality or that there were colored victims of teh allies who were just caught up in freedom fighting from brutal colonization and couldn't care less about any European power- they were ALL BAD. Its teh Isrealis who dont want anyone to learn anything from the war-- they want everyone to forget about the Geneva convention. to forget about the horror people faced upto and tried to prevent from happening again by their rejection of all the norms of warfare that were established as a reaction to the horrors of the world wars as well as the systematic undermining of institutions that were created to limit conflict like Nato and the UN b/c they constrain plans for Greater Isreal. so no, its the Isrealis who want people to forget the horrors or to accept that humanity is incapable of learning of learning from history. of the few survivors left- many are incredibly vocal against this current regime & speak out against what is happening, how many support it??? I can think of one in support and 5 against off the top of my head.

So in your racist worldview, Jews are centering themselves in the holocaust. You want Israel dismantled, you want Jordan dismantled, you want Lebanon dismantled, you want Syria dismantled, presumably you also want Egypt dismantled? India dismantled as they are all countries formed post-WWII with state religions. I am not sure what GenZ-oodles for brains thinks will fill the power vacuum or how installing American-style secular governments would work (that would seem to be colonialism itself- which I thought you were against?) - those older than you remember Yugoslavia (you don't read, otherwise we would tell you to look it up). There has always been racism against Jews on the far left and on the far right - what your generation is doing is not new. Much to criticize in Netayahu's government - but if he is a genocidal maniac - so is Obama. So is the MPD, for that matter. And so is every other European, Middle Eastern, or African leader from time immemorial. Even with highest estimates available, roughly 50,000 civilians were killed in Gaza. That is a much lower civilian casulaty rate of any 21th century war involving urban warfare. 70k protestors were murdered in Iran - and you and your friends held parties to celebrate. 2.5 Sudanese civilians were murdered - but you and your friends couldn't care less. Because that's the thorny truth of this all. If Palestinians are indigenous, so are Jews. If Jews are white settler-colonialists, so are Palestinians. And I say this to right-wing Israelis as well. Palestinians deserve self-determination. Jews deserve self-determination. Kurds deserve self-determination. Alwaites deserve self-determination. That is true "liberation" for everyone in the region. And the hyper-focus on Israel is because of racism against Jews, and colorism that favors white victims like Palestinians (or Ukrainians for that matter). So, abandon Israel - and embrace Iran. It's not going to help you get a job or afford housing or settle any of your copious domestic grievances. History tells us that when racism against Jews reaches a fever point - other bad things tend to happen. Ignore it at your peril - and your hate will just create more Zionists. Which seems to be the opposite of what you want.

India, Egypt, Iraq/Syria, Persia and China are the oldest civilizations on the planet. Pretending that some of those were created post WW2 is such utter bullcrap and blatant spin that it makes everything you say suspect.

Again, an old-school encyclopedia would be your friend, Z-bot. Judea is one of the oldest civilization. Iraq and Syria are not civilizations. Persia is indeed an old civilization - that was settler-colonialized by Islamicists. Ditto Kurdistan. Ditto Chaldeans. But as nation states, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, India are rougly the same age as Israel.

Egypt is far older than Israel. Jacob’s sons all moved to Egypt when there was no country of Israel. They and their multiple generations of descendants were slaves in Egypt before Moses’ deliverance. And then Jews walked around in the desert for another forty years before finding a landing pad. Moses who predated the first king of Israel, Saul, lived approximately 1500BC. Whereas Saul was approximately 1050BC. So no, Egypt and Israel are not the same in age. Iraq is former Babylon.

Nope. Egypt as a country (and Iraq) are roughly the same age as the country of Israel. Judea, Babylon, Persia, are all ancient civilizations that pre-date Islamic colonization. There are many different indigenous groups that have existed in these modern-day countries over time.

Both Israel and Palestinians dont really have much in the record of history besides biblical references. The other countries in the area have far more documentation snd artifacfs

There’s archaeological evidence, genetic evidence, linguistic evidence, etc. But yes, Islamic settler-colonialism traditionally has meant the destruction of indigenous places of worship, architecture, art.

[Anonymous]

Just like there is aipac, why isn’t there a us politicL action committee operating in Israel designed to foment distrust and boost reformers?

Unlike Israeli attitudes towards the us, there is more of a split in the us on israel so while it wouldn’t be a government thing, but more party based.

So the dems pump money to discredit the current government and boost parties like Yair golan’s democrats?

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https://x.com/Uncommonsince76/status/2040836123346296869

Israeli society is far more evil and barbaric then anything remotely comparable to Nazi Germany public.

Historian Daryl Cooper explains why the comparison is not accurate.

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I hope so.

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Even the Progressive except Palestine seem to be changing their tune

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am an over 60 Jewish woman who is just appalled at my contemporaries who still continue to support Israel. They hate our current administration, they hate fascism, Christian nationalism, religion in public spaces, conservatives, everything, consider themselves liberal, but they have still lost their minds over Israel. Any comment to the contrary is met with accusations of anti semitism, or self hatred.

They seems like completely brainwashed MAGAs on this subject and I have had enough, frankly. To me their attitudes are undereducated and naive, but also cruel.

Da, da - Boris-bot.

DP

What’s weirder? That you think everyone critical of Israel is either anti-semitic or a bot? Or that you don’t understand that literally 8.3 billion people on this planet of 8.5 billion people have developed THE EXACT SAME FEELINGS OF CONTEMPT TOWARD ISRAEL, and towards everyone who continues to sell the Zionism fraud?

What’s weirder that you literally don’t understand how racism works or have the self-reflection to understand that you are DEEP THROATING NEONAZIS when you cannot climax without saying Zionist? That you pray at the alter of IRCG and the manosohere and have sold your soul (if you had one) to Holocaust-deniers, rape is resistance sociopaths, and their fellow travelers?

The only fraud here is you.

Only one of us edges ourself to need of actual slaughtered children in schools and nurseries whilst selling fiction about 40 beheaded babies, babies on clotheslines, rapes at music festivals, and whatever other false claims you ghouls are conjuring up these days …

As far as praying at alters (sic), I’ll pass on judgement from the Synagogue of Satan …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am an over 60 Jewish woman who is just appalled at my contemporaries who still continue to support Israel. They hate our current administration, they hate fascism, Christian nationalism, religion in public spaces, conservatives, everything, consider themselves liberal, but they have still lost their minds over Israel. Any comment to the contrary is met with accusations of anti semitism, or self hatred.

They seems like completely brainwashed MAGAs on this subject and I have had enough, frankly. To me their attitudes are undereducated and naive, but also cruel.

Da, da - Boris-bot.

DP.

At Beth El, a New Jersey Synagogue, a Deep Divide Over Israel | The New Yorker https://share.google/dCIoc3MlwI85OEMTl

Read it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tel Aviv has had large war protests, defying the order not to congregate. The Israeli people don’t want this war, either.

They don't represent the majority of the genocidal and bloodthirsty Israeli population. And they're protesting the outcome of getting retaliated upon which they're not used to because they are so used to slaughtering defenseless women and children.

stop it- the best hope for peace in that region is the Isreali population coming to terms with their own evil and rejecting it. The American slaves were freed but that was imposed upon the white population and Black americans really weren't free for another 100 years, the same thing needs to happen here, a larger part of the Isreali population themselves have to join the part of their population that is capable of coexistence and choose to stand against violence/racism and bigotry. Its never going to be a 100% but the majority needs to be supportive of peace and coexistence and acceptance that they are a middle eastern nation amongst other middle eastern nations- no Eurovision etc.. they are not europeans and they are co-equal with the brown people around them, not special, not chosen.

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Anonymous wrote:Tel Aviv has had large war protests, defying the order not to congregate. The Israeli people don’t want this war, either.

They don't represent the majority of the genocidal and bloodthirsty Israeli population. And they're protesting the outcome of getting retaliated upon which they're not used to because they are so used to slaughtering defenseless women and children.

stop it- the best hope for peace in that region is the Isreali population coming to terms with their own evil and rejecting it. The American slaves were freed but that was imposed upon the white population and Black americans really weren't free for another 100 years, the same thing needs to happen here, a larger part of the Isreali population themselves have to join the part of their population that is capable of coexistence and choose to stand against violence/racism and bigotry. Its never going to be a 100% but the majority needs to be supportive of peace and coexistence and acceptance that they are a middle eastern nation amongst other middle eastern nations- no Eurovision etc.. they are not europeans and they are co-equal with the brown people around them, not special, not chosen.

Israel needs to sign the ultra Orthodox kids up for military service instead of letting them call the shots and sentence other youth to death while their kids rut and pray all day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tel Aviv has had large war protests, defying the order not to congregate. The Israeli people don’t want this war, either.

They don't represent the majority of the genocidal and bloodthirsty Israeli population. And they're protesting the outcome of getting retaliated upon which they're not used to because they are so used to slaughtering defenseless women and children.

stop it- the best hope for peace in that region is the Isreali population coming to terms with their own evil and rejecting it. The American slaves were freed but that was imposed upon the white population and Black americans really weren't free for another 100 years, the same thing needs to happen here, a larger part of the Isreali population themselves have to join the part of their population that is capable of coexistence and choose to stand against violence/racism and bigotry. Its never going to be a 100% but the majority needs to be supportive of peace and coexistence and acceptance that they are a middle eastern nation amongst other middle eastern nations- no Eurovision etc.. they are not europeans and they are co-equal with the brown people around them, not special, not chosen.

Israel needs to sign the ultra Orthodox kids up for military service instead of letting them call the shots and sentence other youth to death while their kids rut and pray all day.

In theory it may sound good but in practice? Imagine how many more war crimes and deaths would be committed from these units? Israel really needs to be humbled back. The present day inertia is an insidious paranoia that legitimizes all killing and suffering to whoever it perceives as enemies.

[Anonymous]

Israeli society is never going to be reformed because American Jews will support it unconditionally.

It’s a foundational aspect of Reform Judaism.

[Anonymous]

The New York Times has a very long story on how Netanyahu talked Trump into this war, even though Trump's national security advisers thought everything Israel said was bullshit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The New York Times has a very long story on how Netanyahu talked Trump into this war, even though Trump's national security advisers thought everything Israel said was bullshit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/us/politics/trump-iran-war.html

And we went to war. Reports are that Bibi was in the WH situation room with Trump today. Guess Bibi was approving the final target list for the nukes.