Williams, Amherst, Pomona: how are the different or the same in terms of rigor, styles of student who excel/best fit...

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.




Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst


I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.


Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!


That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.


Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.


Alright, keep obsessing

Aw, it’s cute to see you avoid saying that you were completely wrong, so you have to deflect. If you have no other arguments, it’s okay for us to close this and you shut up. No one asked you to speak in the first place!


You clearly have no clue what STEM research entails. Undergraduate students who do research at a graduate lab for the summer (such as SURF) are not going to be listed on the PI’s website, for example. I’m certainly not going to go thru every PIs lab to find an undergrad student just to satisfy your very warped obsession. You ought to get a life beside pickIng anonymous arguments here on DCUM

A few things. SURF is done with Amherst faculty and not 5 college faculty. SURF is extremely limited in certain areas and would not accept a 5 college project either way. I asked you for one example of an undergrad Amherst student in a Umass lab, because you confidently asserted this as a norm. You now know that this is going to be a needle in haystack situation, so you are making it sound unreasonable because…oh wait! It is unreasonable, since there aren’t almost any Amherst college students doing this research, if any. You made a strong statement and fail to back it up. It’s okay. We sometimes argue, because we want to be right, but your reluctance to even look at a lab page shows that you know your previous statement was grossly inaccurate.


At least you stopped being a sarcastic prick, I’ll give u that. I only used SURF to show that undergrads do summer research which will, again, not appear on PI website (SURF or otherwise). I should’ve know that you’d pick on that one minor point. I stand by what i initially posted and if you don’t believe or like what I said well, that’s too bad for you. I don’t need to back up and prove anything at all to you as it’s quite clear you are, as I’ve said before, weirdly obsessed and probably some axe to grind.

I don’t have an axe to grind, because I rightfully claim that typically Amherst students aren’t in Umass labs. By all intents and purposes, you know you’re wrong but want to keep arguing and claiming obsessive, because it diminishes how poorly you argued this.

You don’t even believe what you originally said, and that’s why you’re backing out of giving an example.
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We have a kid at Amherst and he has never considered going to Umass for classes or for research. One poster is entirely speaking from an incorrect view. Our kid has taken a few smith classes, but they’re in the minority.
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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.




Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst


I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.


Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!


That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.


Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.


Alright, keep obsessing

Aw, it’s cute to see you avoid saying that you were completely wrong, so you have to deflect. If you have no other arguments, it’s okay for us to close this and you shut up. No one asked you to speak in the first place!


You clearly have no clue what STEM research entails. Undergraduate students who do research at a graduate lab for the summer (such as SURF) are not going to be listed on the PI’s website, for example. I’m certainly not going to go thru every PIs lab to find an undergrad student just to satisfy your very warped obsession. You ought to get a life beside pickIng anonymous arguments here on DCUM

A few things. SURF is done with Amherst faculty and not 5 college faculty. SURF is extremely limited in certain areas and would not accept a 5 college project either way. I asked you for one example of an undergrad Amherst student in a Umass lab, because you confidently asserted this as a norm. You now know that this is going to be a needle in haystack situation, so you are making it sound unreasonable because…oh wait! It is unreasonable, since there aren’t almost any Amherst college students doing this research, if any. You made a strong statement and fail to back it up. It’s okay. We sometimes argue, because we want to be right, but your reluctance to even look at a lab page shows that you know your previous statement was grossly inaccurate.



My Amherst kid recently applied for a UMass summer lab internship. Does that count?
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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.




Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst


I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.


Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!


That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.


Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.


Alright, keep obsessing

Aw, it’s cute to see you avoid saying that you were completely wrong, so you have to deflect. If you have no other arguments, it’s okay for us to close this and you shut up. No one asked you to speak in the first place!


You clearly have no clue what STEM research entails. Undergraduate students who do research at a graduate lab for the summer (such as SURF) are not going to be listed on the PI’s website, for example. I’m certainly not going to go thru every PIs lab to find an undergrad student just to satisfy your very warped obsession. You ought to get a life beside pickIng anonymous arguments here on DCUM

A few things. SURF is done with Amherst faculty and not 5 college faculty. SURF is extremely limited in certain areas and would not accept a 5 college project either way. I asked you for one example of an undergrad Amherst student in a Umass lab, because you confidently asserted this as a norm. You now know that this is going to be a needle in haystack situation, so you are making it sound unreasonable because…oh wait! It is unreasonable, since there aren’t almost any Amherst college students doing this research, if any. You made a strong statement and fail to back it up. It’s okay. We sometimes argue, because we want to be right, but your reluctance to even look at a lab page shows that you know your previous statement was grossly inaccurate.


At least you stopped being a sarcastic prick, I’ll give u that. I only used SURF to show that undergrads do summer research which will, again, not appear on PI website (SURF or otherwise). I should’ve know that you’d pick on that one minor point. I stand by what i initially posted and if you don’t believe or like what I said well, that’s too bad for you. I don’t need to back up and prove anything at all to you as it’s quite clear you are, as I’ve said before, weirdly obsessed and probably some axe to grind.

I don’t have an axe to grind, because I rightfully claim that typically Amherst students aren’t in Umass labs. By all intents and purposes, you know you’re wrong but want to keep arguing and claiming obsessive, because it diminishes how poorly you argued this.

You don’t even believe what you originally said, and that’s why you’re backing out of giving an example.


You know, if you had initially not come on so strong, we could’ve have had a rational discussion and I could have directed you to the evidence, but you came on like a raging maniac with a point to prove, sarcastic and bombastic, it wasn’t worth it. I guess these anonymous threads really bring out the true person. I’m going out to enjoy the beautiful weather. Have yourself a good day.
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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.




Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst


I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.


Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!


That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.


Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.


Alright, keep obsessing

Aw, it’s cute to see you avoid saying that you were completely wrong, so you have to deflect. If you have no other arguments, it’s okay for us to close this and you shut up. No one asked you to speak in the first place!


You clearly have no clue what STEM research entails. Undergraduate students who do research at a graduate lab for the summer (such as SURF) are not going to be listed on the PI’s website, for example. I’m certainly not going to go thru every PIs lab to find an undergrad student just to satisfy your very warped obsession. You ought to get a life beside pickIng anonymous arguments here on DCUM

A few things. SURF is done with Amherst faculty and not 5 college faculty. SURF is extremely limited in certain areas and would not accept a 5 college project either way. I asked you for one example of an undergrad Amherst student in a Umass lab, because you confidently asserted this as a norm. You now know that this is going to be a needle in haystack situation, so you are making it sound unreasonable because…oh wait! It is unreasonable, since there aren’t almost any Amherst college students doing this research, if any. You made a strong statement and fail to back it up. It’s okay. We sometimes argue, because we want to be right, but your reluctance to even look at a lab page shows that you know your previous statement was grossly inaccurate.


At least you stopped being a sarcastic prick, I’ll give u that. I only used SURF to show that undergrads do summer research which will, again, not appear on PI website (SURF or otherwise). I should’ve know that you’d pick on that one minor point. I stand by what i initially posted and if you don’t believe or like what I said well, that’s too bad for you. I don’t need to back up and prove anything at all to you as it’s quite clear you are, as I’ve said before, weirdly obsessed and probably some axe to grind.

I don’t have an axe to grind, because I rightfully claim that typically Amherst students aren’t in Umass labs. By all intents and purposes, you know you’re wrong but want to keep arguing and claiming obsessive, because it diminishes how poorly you argued this.

You don’t even believe what you originally said, and that’s why you’re backing out of giving an example.


You know, if you had initially not come on so strong, we could’ve have had a rational discussion and I could have directed you to the evidence, but you came on like a raging maniac with a point to prove, sarcastic and bombastic, it wasn’t worth it. I guess these anonymous threads really bring out the true person. I’m going out to enjoy the beautiful weather. Have yourself a good day.

And…you still didn’t make a point. Im glad you’ve realized you were lying though.
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It is a minority of Amherst students who use the consortium (very different from Claremont colleges or Haverford/Bryn Mawr bico), but the option does exist for students who find that a particular interest is not met on campus. This is important because students don’t always know their particular interests before college. Most won’t need it, but for some students it can make a big difference and reduces some of the risk associated with going to a very small lac that doesn’t cover everything in every department. There are a lot of advantages to the small lac education, and the 5 college consortium ensures that if someone discovers they are really interested in a particular subfield not well covered at Amherst there are options. Not the most important factor in choosing a lac, but definitely something in Amherst’s favor.
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It's quite nice to live in a real college town with bars, restaurants open until 2:00 AM, boba shops, etc, as opposed to Williamstown.
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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.


Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst


I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.


Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!


Which school did you attend? My kid would like to avoid nut jobs...
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we've had 2 kids at Amherst recent graduates. The older one spent a full summer and part of the fall semester working at a bio lab at UMass. It's not the majority of students, but some do if they have the interest and dedication
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Anonymous wrote:It's quite nice to live in a real college town with bars, restaurants open until 2:00 AM, boba shops, etc, as opposed to Williamstown.


Williams is not the place for someone who wants the above or for someone who wants instant name recognition. Williams students are more likely to “self select” for that reason.
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Anonymous wrote:It's quite nice to live in a real college town with bars, restaurants open until 2:00 AM, boba shops, etc, as opposed to Williamstown.


I mean, there are a couple bars. And Whitmans is open til 1am. But I think most socializing is in the houses

My MIL lives in Amherst. What bars are open til 2am? The one on the corner by the stop and shop but that's a UMass bar and you'd have to drive over there.
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Anonymous wrote:It's quite nice to live in a real college town with bars, restaurants open until 2:00 AM, boba shops, etc, as opposed to Williamstown.


I mean, there are a couple bars. And Whitmans is open til 1am. But I think most socializing is in the houses

My MIL lives in Amherst. What bars are open til 2am? The one on the corner by the stop and shop but that's a UMass bar and you'd have to drive over there.

Students walk all the time using the trail system
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Anonymous wrote:All three schools are fantastic and, IMO, indistinguishable in terms of the general quality of academics, resources, students, and faculty.

I think W and A are slightly more preprofessional and S and P are slightly more intellectual/academic. Emphasis on "slightly." W is the most isolated and immediately connected to nature. S and P are 45 minutes away from major cities. P is a little different than both because of the 5C consortium, which offers a broader social and academic network if that's what a student wants. Personally, I think S's reputation for intensity and rigor is a little overblown on the internet, which tends to amplify and exaggerate. Most Swatties seem to enjoy their experience; most of the criticism seems to come from people who have no affiliation with it.

My kid is at P. I'd describe the vibe as social, nerdy, liberal, intellectual, and humble. P is definitely not a party school, but students seem to do a lot of socializing and have CMC and Mudd for more traditional college parties. My kid has a huge workload as well as about 12 hours/week of work study but seems to spend a fair number of weekends exploring LA, hiking, skiing, or doing road trips with classmates (including other 5C students) around the region.


My kid goes to Mudd and the thought that consortium students have Mudd (and CMC) for “more traditional college parties” makes me laugh, but it is true that these tiny little schools do like to party.

We are from the West Coast, so the vibe felt like home for my kid. The weather is always great, the location is close to mountains, beach and national parks. The village of Claremont is small and expensive, so most students live on campus which means that the colleges have a very “college” atmosphere. My kid has enjoyed the classes taken at Pomona.
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Anonymous wrote:It's quite nice to live in a real college town with bars, restaurants open until 2:00 AM, boba shops, etc, as opposed to Williamstown.


I mean, there are a couple bars. And Whitmans is open til 1am. But I think most socializing is in the houses

My MIL lives in Amherst. What bars are open til 2am? The one on the corner by the stop and shop but that's a UMass bar and you'd have to drive over there.

Students walk all the time using the trail system


The trail system doesn't go that way.
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Anonymous wrote:Amherst and Pomona are exceptional schools, but Williams is in another class entirely - Williams on par with ivies, specifically Dartmouth and even Princeton


Princeton? Come on
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