Williams, Amherst, Pomona: how are the different or the same in terms of rigor, styles of student who excel/best fit...

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

I also think this is funny, because the student's themselves recognize that they don't use the consortium: https://amherststudent.com/article/take-more-five-college-classes/

You're overreading into it. The article, btw, does not list percentages although many (although not majority) use the graduate STEM classes and labs at UMass. Don't know about Mt. Holyoke and Smith.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Not the OP but the PP. I just took a quick look at a few of the lab pages at UMass-Amherst and I didn't see a single one that listed the students working in the lab. I'm not sure that what you ask is possible.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Not the OP but the PP. I just took a quick look at a few of the lab pages at UMass-Amherst and I didn't see a single one that listed the students working in the lab. I'm not sure that what you ask is possible.

People pages are extremely common in academia: https://people.umass.edu/kkumar/research. https://websites.umass.edu/pocar/group-members/ html
https://websites.umass.edu/tsedrakyan/group/
https://welab.umass.edu/?_gl=1*142geis*_gcl_au*NDIyOTk0MTQuMTc3MzA3Njg0OA..*_ga*MTE2MTIzMDUyOS4xNzczMDc2ODQ4*_ga_21RLS0L7EB*czE3NzMwNzY4NDckbzEkZzEkdDE3NzMwNzcxNTYkajUzJGwwJGgw
https://mchen151.wixsite.com/chengroupumass/team

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Alright, keep obsessing

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Not the OP but the PP. I just took a quick look at a few of the lab pages at UMass-Amherst and I didn't see a single one that listed the students working in the lab. I'm not sure that what you ask is possible.

People pages are extremely common in academia: https://people.umass.edu/kkumar/research. https://websites.umass.edu/pocar/group-members/ html
https://websites.umass.edu/tsedrakyan/group/
https://welab.umass.edu/?_gl=1*142geis*_gcl_au*NDIyOTk0MTQuMTc3MzA3Njg0OA..*_ga*MTE2MTIzMDUyOS4xNzczMDc2ODQ4*_ga_21RLS0L7EB*czE3NzMwNzY4NDckbzEkZzEkdDE3NzMwNzcxNTYkajUzJGwwJGgw
https://mchen151.wixsite.com/chengroupumass/team

Thx for posting, the random pages that I pulled didn't have directories but you examples do. Your examples (I'm assuming random pages) highlighted a few different things though.
1. Very limited opportunities for undergrads. Except for one page the vast majority of rosters are grad students which is to be expected.
2. The page that did have significant undergraduate staff had outside kids including a kid from the consortium (Mt. Holyoke) which would lead to towards the labs having significant undergraduate staff likely have Amherst representation.

If there are limited number of opportunities for undergraduate lab work at UMass-Amherst, and Amherst student likely has better opportunities for research on Campus where the labs will be staffed by undergraduate students.

Thanks for the insights.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Not the OP but the PP. I just took a quick look at a few of the lab pages at UMass-Amherst and I didn't see a single one that listed the students working in the lab. I'm not sure that what you ask is possible.

People pages are extremely common in academia: https://people.umass.edu/kkumar/research. https://websites.umass.edu/pocar/group-members/ html
https://websites.umass.edu/tsedrakyan/group/
https://welab.umass.edu/?_gl=1*142geis*_gcl_au*NDIyOTk0MTQuMTc3MzA3Njg0OA..*_ga*MTE2MTIzMDUyOS4xNzczMDc2ODQ4*_ga_21RLS0L7EB*czE3NzMwNzY4NDckbzEkZzEkdDE3NzMwNzcxNTYkajUzJGwwJGgw
https://mchen151.wixsite.com/chengroupumass/team

Thx for posting, the random pages that I pulled didn't have directories but you examples do. Your examples (I'm assuming random pages) highlighted a few different things though.
1. Very limited opportunities for undergrads. Except for one page the vast majority of rosters are grad students which is to be expected.
2. The page that did have significant undergraduate staff had outside kids including a kid from the consortium (Mt. Holyoke) which would lead to towards the labs having significant undergraduate staff likely have Amherst representation.

If there are limited number of opportunities for undergraduate lab work at UMass-Amherst, and Amherst student likely has better opportunities for research on Campus where the labs will be staffed by undergraduate students.

Thanks for the insights.

This is not shown at all. If anything, it shows that if. LB has. Significant undergrad presence, it is still very unlikely that a 5 college student outside of Umass is in the lab. Umass Amherst faculty aren’t paid to train undergraduates how to do research.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Alright, keep obsessing

Aw, it’s cute to see you avoid saying that you were completely wrong, so you have to deflect. If you have no other arguments, it’s okay for us to close this and you shut up. No one asked you to speak in the first place!

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Alright, keep obsessing

Aw, it’s cute to see you avoid saying that you were completely wrong, so you have to deflect. If you have no other arguments, it’s okay for us to close this and you shut up. No one asked you to speak in the first place!

You clearly have no clue what STEM research entails. Undergraduate students who do research at a graduate lab for the summer (such as SURF) are not going to be listed on the PI’s website, for example. I’m certainly not going to go thru every PIs lab to find an undergrad student just to satisfy your very warped obsession. You ought to get a life beside pickIng anonymous arguments here on DCUM

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I’ve also heard of Amherst students going to Smith to take courses in public policy and environmental policy analysis since the Smith gov and env. Depts have a slightly different focus and have multiple courses on public policy analysis, solving environmental problems, colloquium, etc. The way to do it is to take 2 courses at Smith on a MW or a T Th and just spend those 2 days at Smith for that term. If you are taking a class you can eat lunch in the Smith dining hall. The PVTA bus is a bit slow, but it’s doable and many Amherst upperclassmen have a car (or a friend with a car) to make it easier.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Alright, keep obsessing

Aw, it’s cute to see you avoid saying that you were completely wrong, so you have to deflect. If you have no other arguments, it’s okay for us to close this and you shut up. No one asked you to speak in the first place!

You clearly have no clue what STEM research entails. Undergraduate students who do research at a graduate lab for the summer (such as SURF) are not going to be listed on the PI’s website, for example. I’m certainly not going to go thru every PIs lab to find an undergrad student just to satisfy your very warped obsession. You ought to get a life beside pickIng anonymous arguments here on DCUM

A few things. SURF is done with Amherst faculty and not 5 college faculty. SURF is extremely limited in certain areas and would not accept a 5 college project either way. I asked you for one example of an undergrad Amherst student in a Umass lab, because you confidently asserted this as a norm. You now know that this is going to be a needle in haystack situation, so you are making it sound unreasonable because…oh wait! It is unreasonable, since there aren’t almost any Amherst college students doing this research, if any. You made a strong statement and fail to back it up. It’s okay. We sometimes argue, because we want to be right, but your reluctance to even look at a lab page shows that you know your previous statement was grossly inaccurate.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't know much about Pomona but I think both Williams and Amherst are wonderful for students looking at a small liberal arts college. I believe Amherst had a record number of applicants for class of 2029 with over 16,000 apps, don't recall for Williams. I doubt a student can go wrong at either school for humanities or STEM.

Williams is much better than Amherst for stem.

Perhaps years ago that may have been true, no longer in 2026. Williams may have a slight edge in theoretical math/physics but Amherst's consortium and the open curriculum may be better for CS and other interdisciplinary STEM. Both send about same percentage of students to PhD programs. Neither school is "much" better than the other.

Williams students are getting more awards and more recognition in Math, Physics, Chemistry, and Geosciences. Amherst is better for psych and bio. Especially math, there is no argument that Williams is much better than Amherst

I don't think so - similar for major awards normalized for size. The interdisciplinary sciences may be better at Amherst esp the research environment offered by UMass and the other LACs.

Amherst students hardly use Umass in the way you think they do. They aren’t joining Umass labs, nor are they taking more than maybe 1 or 2 classes there.

Quite the contrary, many do take classes in the consortium, esp at UMass, and many do use the research labs as did my DC and many of their friends.

Great then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to link a single Umass Amherst lab page with an Amherst college undergraduate student researcher in it! Let's see it!

That's not my job. You seem weirdly obsessed about this though.

What a lazy argument. You can’t do a basic google search now? You made a confident claim and immediately walked back as soon as it was pushed back on. It’s okay to just say you lied.

Did they lie? Or do they just not feel like engaging with your nonsense? If it is important to you then search the lab pages and prove them wrong.

No. They brought the claim. Its complete bs.

Alright, keep obsessing

Aw, it’s cute to see you avoid saying that you were completely wrong, so you have to deflect. If you have no other arguments, it’s okay for us to close this and you shut up. No one asked you to speak in the first place!

You clearly have no clue what STEM research entails. Undergraduate students who do research at a graduate lab for the summer (such as SURF) are not going to be listed on the PI’s website, for example. I’m certainly not going to go thru every PIs lab to find an undergrad student just to satisfy your very warped obsession. You ought to get a life beside pickIng anonymous arguments here on DCUM

A few things. SURF is done with Amherst faculty and not 5 college faculty. SURF is extremely limited in certain areas and would not accept a 5 college project either way. I asked you for one example of an undergrad Amherst student in a Umass lab, because you confidently asserted this as a norm. You now know that this is going to be a needle in haystack situation, so you are making it sound unreasonable because…oh wait! It is unreasonable, since there aren’t almost any Amherst college students doing this research, if any. You made a strong statement and fail to back it up. It’s okay. We sometimes argue, because we want to be right, but your reluctance to even look at a lab page shows that you know your previous statement was grossly inaccurate.

At least you stopped being a sarcastic prick, I’ll give u that. I only used SURF to show that undergrads do summer research which will, again, not appear on PI website (SURF or otherwise). I should’ve know that you’d pick on that one minor point. I stand by what i initially posted and if you don’t believe or like what I said well, that’s too bad for you. I don’t need to back up and prove anything at all to you as it’s quite clear you are, as I’ve said before, weirdly obsessed and probably some axe to grind.