Couple found shot to death in Columbus, young kids and dog in home unharmed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Beyond the staff needing to deal with a bunch of patients showing up for appointments with no dentist in the office to treat them, I don’t judge any lay person for not wanting to be the person who finds whatever has caused the dentist to be a no show. There are enough stories in the news on a regular basis of family annihilations or even family wiped out by carbon monoxide poisoning for anyone to be hesitant to be the welfare checker. The fact that nobody from the office wanted to do the initial check would no raise suspicion in me, and I am a very suspicious-natured former prosecutor.

Not to mention that these people had jobs to do, too. They had to care for patients, they couldn't take off for an hour and come back.

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Anonymous wrote:It feels like someone knew something was already off given how quickly they were concerned. He didn’t show up for work and by 10:00 they had police there. I feel like the coworkers knew there were some issues going on. Maybe he had told them about weird messages or a stalker or someone who had threatened them or something.

In most places even if you had a very reliable employee, you wouldn’t be at their house with police almost immediately after they didn’t show up for work.

I tend to agree with this.

How many times does the way medical offices work need to be explained to you?

I've worked in many medical offices and no a boss wouldn't call the police while from vacation because an employee was late.
The police would be the first call. Probably not even the second or third.
How many times does that need to be explained to you?

Huh? Wouldn’t call the police but the police would be the first call?

Why would a boss who was on vacation call the police?


Maybe an office manager actually at the office. Maybe . Even then it seems like it would be more reasonable for a coworker to drive by and check before calling the police.

Bottom line some of you don't want to consider the coworker as a suspect because you are biased he's a dentist same social class as you and you don't believe people in your class in your circles commit murder.

The staff was dealing with a waiting room full of patients & no dentist. Of course they called their boss and asked how to proceed. The boss (owner of this business from what I can tell) likely took over decision making from there. It sounds like various efforts to reach the missing guy or his wife were made before resorting to calling the police and/or sending someone to the house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Was it reported whether a weapon was found at the scene? Because her 911 call for dv that year would suggest a context.

Could you provide a link for this little bomb you just dropped?

There was no dv call. There was a 911 hang up call from the house in April. 911 called back and a young woman was tearful and said she had gotten into an argument but didn’t need 911. This call came from a cell phone of someone attending a party at their house that night. According to the BIL, everyone at the party knew of the woman being upset, it had nothing to do with Spencer or Monique, police know who the woman is and likely have already spoken to her.

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Anonymous wrote:My best friend’s dad didn’t show up to his law firm one morning and wasn’t answering the phone. Wife was out of town. His legal secretary of 20 years went to his house, car in the driveway, nobody answering the door. She called the police, they entered and he was dead from a heart attack. It is not unusual for coworkers to be concerned when something happens that is very out of character.

1. Nobody said it's unusual for coworkers to be concerned.

2. It's unusual for the first call to
be police

3. Even in your example the coworker stopped by first before calling the police

From what I’ve read, the murdered guy lived over an hour from the dental office so it isn’t a quick “pop over to the house and take a look” type of scenario. As for why the out of town dentist called 911? It does sound like they had been trying to reach the dentist and/or his wife for over an hour by then, and it may have seemed an appropriate next step. I’m sure he will be investigated- but that would’ve been the case whether he’d called or not.

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No forced entry and door was locked when coworkers arrived. Nothing was reported stolen, nothing ransacked. Dog and children were in the home and left unharmed.

Coworker arrived very quickly on scene (especially considering work location was a 60-90 minute commute from the house).

Coworker said he could see a body despite bodies being located on the second floor in the bedroom. No idea how coworker could see into a second floor window. Coworker was not in the house as he said he couldnt get closer when as Jed by 911 if the person he could see was breathing. He could see blood.

Murders took place between 2-5 am. First 911 called was at 8:58. Police responded and knocked and didn’t hear anything (no kids crying). Second 911 call stating coroner had heard kids crying and seen a body at 10:03.

I saw someone state the master bedroom door was locked when police entered but I don’t know if that is a fact or rumor.

I am still convinced that coworkers knew something we didn’t about some kind of threat or stalker / risk issue Spencer / Monique was aware of and dealing with. This doesn’t sound to me like a random act of violence.

[Anonymous]

Not coroner - coworker ^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband many years ago in the DC area was sent to an employees home to check on a work colleague that hadn't shown up. Car was in the driveway and thing looked weird. He called his boss who called the guy's brother in Florida. The brother called a neighbor who had a key, neighbor couldn't find the key but looked in windows and thought he saw possibly someone on the floor. Brother gave permission for the police to enter, they thought medical emergency. Guy was there and on the floor dead, probable stroke or heart attack.

I think this sounds like a pretty normal response. If something has happened, it makes sense that you’d first be noticed missing by your employer/coworkers. They’d have your spouse’s name & number + your address, but may not have much else to go on. It might take awhile to piece together information for extended family members or friends, depending how well you know the person. Also family members are often not local. As for neighbors- what are the odds they are even home during the day (much less know the missing person well enough to have a key)?

I worked closely with a certain coworker for years, and only met his wife. No other family or friends. It would have taken me awhile to come up with contact info for others…I’d probably have tried to call the wife’s workplace (who may not even give me info due to privacy concerns). Then scratch my head trying to remember what he said his brother’s or elderly mom’s name was etc and trying to track one of them down.

Stopping by the house might be the next step, but seems unlikely it would lend any clues. I wouldn’t have done more than ring the bell and maybe peek in the front window. I’m not going to creep around in someone’s yard etc.

After a certain point, I’d probably have called the police too (and let them decide how to handle, if at all).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of families don't even report their own family members missing that fast. He worked over an hour ocmmute from home. They assume something came up, they check with friends and others, there could be an accident, held up in traffic, phone died, they call around etc. And for the police to go immediately to an 'employee didn't show up for work on time' call is also unusual.

I think calling 911 and sending police to the house within an hour and the police going immediately is unusual and suspicious. I think it means that his work knew something we don't know. His office opened at 8:00 and the first 911 call was made at 8:58. The coworkers were already on route to his house by then (google maps says 1 hour and 15 minute drive) and made the second call from the house at 10:03 after seeing his body.

Police dispatcher here: if we get a call for a welfare check we go. Doesnt mean we’re breaking down doors to check for you but we always go. The police getting a call and responding to it is not suspicious.

[Anonymous]

Coworker hid weapon to cover up murder suicide?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My husband many years ago in the DC area was sent to an employees home to check on a work colleague that hadn't shown up. Car was in the driveway and thing looked weird. He called his boss who called the guy's brother in Florida. The brother called a neighbor who had a key, neighbor couldn't find the key but looked in windows and thought he saw possibly someone on the floor. Brother gave permission for the police to enter, they thought medical emergency. Guy was there and on the floor dead, probable stroke or heart attack.

I think this sounds like a pretty normal response. If something has happened, it makes sense that you’d first be noticed missing by your employer/coworkers. They’d have your spouse’s name & number + your address, but may not have much else to go on. It might take awhile to piece together information for extended family members or friends, depending how well you know the person. Also family members are often not local. As for neighbors- what are the odds they are even home during the day (much less know the missing person well enough to have a key)?

I worked closely with a certain coworker for years, and only met his wife. No other family or friends. It would have taken me awhile to come up with contact info for others…I’d probably have tried to call the wife’s workplace (who may not even give me info due to privacy concerns). Then scratch my head trying to remember what he said his brother’s or elderly mom’s name was etc and trying to track one of them down.

Stopping by the house might be the next step, but seems unlikely it would lend any clues. I wouldn’t have done more than ring the bell and maybe peek in the front window. I’m not going to creep around in someone’s yard etc.

After a certain point, I’d probably have called the police too (and let them decide how to handle, if at all).

I think a lot of people would say the same, even for close longtime coworkers. T
It occurs to me that this was a lot easier when everyone had a Rolodex on their desk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My best friend’s dad didn’t show up to his law firm one morning and wasn’t answering the phone. Wife was out of town. His legal secretary of 20 years went to his house, car in the driveway, nobody answering the door. She called the police, they entered and he was dead from a heart attack. It is not unusual for coworkers to be concerned when something happens that is very out of character.

Agree. Years ago I worked for an organization - very reliable assistant did not show up for work; did not call in. Someone was dispatched to the apartment/house - woman was single. I forget who found her, but the woman had died overnight of natural causes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My best friend’s dad didn’t show up to his law firm one morning and wasn’t answering the phone. Wife was out of town. His legal secretary of 20 years went to his house, car in the driveway, nobody answering the door. She called the police, they entered and he was dead from a heart attack. It is not unusual for coworkers to be concerned when something happens that is very out of character.

Did the secretary in your story quickly drive over two hours round trip or was the boss's house just down the street? It's very odd for anyone to drive that far basically immediately because someone didn't show up for work. People regularly get into car accidents and cell phones can die... but these colleagues IMMEDIATELY bee-lined to the house. It's weird.

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Anonymous wrote:It feels like someone knew something was already off given how quickly they were concerned. He didn’t show up for work and by 10:00 they had police there. I feel like the coworkers knew there were some issues going on. Maybe he had told them about weird messages or a stalker or someone who had threatened them or something.

In most places even if you had a very reliable employee, you wouldn’t be at their house with police almost immediately after they didn’t show up for work.

I tend to agree with this.

How many times does the way medical offices work need to be explained to you?

I've worked in many medical offices and no a boss wouldn't call the police while from vacation because an employee was late.
The police would be the first call. Probably not even the second or third.
How many times does that need to be explained to you?

Huh? Wouldn’t call the police but the police would be the first call?

Why would a boss who was on vacation call the police?


Maybe an office manager actually at the office. Maybe . Even then it seems like it would be more reasonable for a coworker to drive by and check before calling the police.

Bottom line some of you don't want to consider the coworker as a suspect because you are biased he's a dentist same social class as you and you don't believe people in your class in your circles commit murder.

The staff was dealing with a waiting room full of patients & no dentist. Of course they called their boss and asked how to proceed. The boss (owner of this business from what I can tell) likely took over decision making from there. It sounds like various efforts to reach the missing guy or his wife were made before resorting to calling the police and/or sending someone to the house.

Yet a coworker went by when they didn't believe the police.the found time to get away from the busy waiting room.

The boss had him killed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My best friend’s dad didn’t show up to his law firm one morning and wasn’t answering the phone. Wife was out of town. His legal secretary of 20 years went to his house, car in the driveway, nobody answering the door. She called the police, they entered and he was dead from a heart attack. It is not unusual for coworkers to be concerned when something happens that is very out of character.

Did the secretary in your story quickly drive over two hours round trip or was the boss's house just down the street? It's very odd for anyone to drive that far basically immediately because someone didn't show up for work. People regularly get into car accidents and cell phones can die... but these colleagues IMMEDIATELY bee-lined to the house. It's weird.

I don't think you understand Ohio or Ohioans - at least 9/10 people would do this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My best friend’s dad didn’t show up to his law firm one morning and wasn’t answering the phone. Wife was out of town. His legal secretary of 20 years went to his house, car in the driveway, nobody answering the door. She called the police, they entered and he was dead from a heart attack. It is not unusual for coworkers to be concerned when something happens that is very out of character.

Did the secretary in your story quickly drive over two hours round trip or was the boss's house just down the street? It's very odd for anyone to drive that far basically immediately because someone didn't show up for work. People regularly get into car accidents and cell phones can die... but these colleagues IMMEDIATELY bee-lined to the house. It's weird.

I don't think you understand Ohio or Ohioans - at least 9/10 people would do this.

I think it is odd to leave to check less than an hour after someone was expected at work. Maybe if the day wore on and no one heard from them and no one could reach them etc. But to assume something horrible had happened at their home and jump in your car to drive over an hour to check on them - leaving less than an hour after the practice opened - they had to know something else.

They made the call at 10:03 so you have to back up time for them to arrive, walk around, hear the kids, find a way to look in windows, then call 911 and get through etc. Maybe 5-10 minutes? According to google maps, to arrive at their address at 9:55 am, you would need to leave his workplace at 08:30. If the traffic was light, they may have driven faster, but still likely left at 8:45 at the latest. It is 75 miles and during a busy morning commute.