2025 - MCPS's worst year yet

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issues, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

I'm not reflexively anti-SAHP but this is the most tone-deaf thing I've seen in a long time. Do you really have no idea what the average family in MoCo earns? Or what it would take for most of them to live on one income?

Yes, your personal family that presumably has a white collar professional can "make choices" like not going on fancy vacations in order to afford keeping one parent out of the workforce. But that's not the reality for the vast majority of families in our county, and certainly not public school families.

There are many who earn enough on one income to make it work. With child care costs, it could cost more than your take home. I know a lot of highly educated sahp who choose not to work as the cost benefit is not there when it comes to child care and working. Earning $75-80k, paying for year round child care takes most of it so what’s the point except if you love your job or need the benefits. Not to mention if you have other things on top of child care, like elderly care.

And, yes I know as I know what it takes, do you? You want a certain lifestyle and cannot do it on one income so you cannot imagine others can.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

This has nothing to do with sahp. You are blaming a sahp for your child care issues vs being kind and maybe they’d help you out in occasion if you helped them out. It’s a safety issue as the workers need to get to the facility and not all are privileged like you and have a nice car. It’s also about clearing the road and school. If your big job is so important that you cannot take a day off you need live in child care.

Yes, a sahp understands and it is one reason they may have chosen to stay home. Child care is expensive and if you are a lower income professional with more than one kid, or even one kid it may not pay to work. A good day care is $2500 a month or more, so a teacher, social worker, nonprofit worker, nurse, etc may not clear enough post taxes to cover that cost.

What are you doing now for child care? Summers, holidays?

This is on you, not a sahp. But, if you were kinder maybe someone would help you out.

You sound like you have some issues you need to work on. Yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

This has nothing to do with sahp. You are blaming a sahp for your child care issues vs being kind and maybe they’d help you out in occasion if you helped them out. It’s a safety issue as the workers need to get to the facility and not all are privileged like you and have a nice car. It’s also about clearing the road and school. If your big job is so important that you cannot take a day off you need live in child care.

Yes, a sahp understands and it is one reason they may have chosen to stay home. Child care is expensive and if you are a lower income professional with more than one kid, or even one kid it may not pay to work. A good day care is $2500 a month or more, so a teacher, social worker, nonprofit worker, nurse, etc may not clear enough post taxes to cover that cost.

What are you doing now for child care? Summers, holidays?

This is on you, not a sahp. But, if you were kinder maybe someone would help you out.

You sound like you have some issues you need to work on. Yikes.

No, I get the real world and no one want to help out a parent who talks behind their back and puts them down. It’s a huge sense of entitlement to expect a minimum wage worker to go early for a child care job for many reasons. It’s also financially not worth working if you are in certain professions except if you love it. Why do you think there is a teacher shortage? Why do you think many quit when they marry or become parents? $30k minimum for one child in care, then look at your take home after taxes, union dues, and other expenses and if lucky you net what $15k?

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

This is the poster who’s been ranting about it for a while and refuses to create a back up child care plan, which makes no sense. It’s not on the BOE or Mcps and it was a safety call. If they have no flexibility they need a babysitter or nanny.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

I understand you are passionate about how horrible working parents who use child care are, but you don't sound healthy and should consider taking a step back from the keyboard.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

This is the poster who’s been ranting about it for a while and refuses to create a back up child care plan, which makes no sense. It’s not on the BOE or Mcps and it was a safety call. If they have no flexibility they need a babysitter or nanny.

Why was it safe to open high schools but not child care? Make it make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

This is the poster who’s been ranting about it for a while and refuses to create a back up child care plan, which makes no sense. It’s not on the BOE or Mcps and it was a safety call. If they have no flexibility they need a babysitter or nanny.

Why was it safe to open high schools but not child care? Make it make sense.

Hs were open early. They were on a delay. Why don’t you have a back up plan? Why are you obsessed over this? You need a nanny, babysitter or private center.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

I understand you are passionate about how horrible working parents who use child care are, but you don't sound healthy and should consider taking a step back from the keyboard.

You are the master at distorting what is said. No one cares if you work or stay home. Own your choices and figure it out. You post here constantly so how much are you really working or with your kids. Your child care needs are your responsibility, not MCPS. We all manage to make it work, why can’t you? Or be kind and ask a freeing or neighbor for help and offer to help them in return? Or pay for care.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

Only about 10% of families in Montgomery County have a stay at home parent. So at most there should only be one on the board. Even that results in over representation.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

I understand you are passionate about how horrible working parents who use child care are, but you don't sound healthy and should consider taking a step back from the keyboard.

You are the master at distorting what is said. No one cares if you work or stay home. Own your choices and figure it out. You post here constantly so how much are you really working or with your kids. Your child care needs are your responsibility, not MCPS. We all manage to make it work, why can’t you? Or be kind and ask a freeing or neighbor for help and offer to help them in return? Or pay for care.

People were paying for care! But MCPS didn't let them open, even once high schools were open.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw on Facebook that the poor boy in the Odessa Shannon attack is back in surgery today.

He was supposed to have more surgeries. This was way more than bullying. This was an attack.

It was backlash from bullying.

Just stop it. The boy could have died. That is not backlash.

You don’t know what happened leading up to this incident. It’s horrible and unacceptable what happened to this particular student but this highlights another huge issue with MCPS - no real consequences for bullying or violent behavior.

Yes, poor Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. They were also forced into what they did.

It’s not even remotely comparable and you should be deeply ashamed at using the victims of a mass murder to further your goals. You are sickening.

Eliminating violent attacks... what a sick goal.

You, on the other hand, are defending someone who almost killed a classmate. You really don't feel any shame on that one? You think it just slipped out of her hand? Or that she thought it was a nerf ball?

I wasn’t defending anyone, but if you cannot tell the difference between the two incidents, you are deranged.

Look back at your posts - you certainly did. You called this a reaction to bullying. There's no evidence of that to begin with, but suppose there was. What kind of bullying justifies deadly force?

That wasn’t me.

You need to believe that I am some other poster because you can’t handle that someone called you out on the horrible thing that you wrote.

You truly are deranged.

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You are deranged. You are responding as if you are that PP and then when called out you insist you are someone else but clearly have no issue with what they said.

There are either two of you who are very ill or one sock puppet.

I didn’t even read the original comment that you said was a defense. I reacted to the use of a mass murder as an equivalent.

So say you are a DP or don't flip out when people don't realize you are a different person.

I didn’t flip out. I clarified that I was a different person and was told that I was lying.

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Anonymous wrote:More complaining by people likely not doing anything to produce change. Those who want change will actively be advocating for county, state, and district policy that moves change, and aligning expectation appropriately.

For example, if they want correct oversight then they will pay the BOE members a salary worthy of the time to do so, thus attracting more candidates. They will also provide the funding so those persons have the appropriate staff to be able to ensure said oversight.

They will be actively paying attention to MSDE policy that is going to then drive policy and operations in districts. They will be paying attention to budget from a position of analyzing needs, tradeoffs, and wants.

But what we have is people complaining about getting a new school.

Oversight isn't a full time job. What corporate board of directors put anything remotely close to full time in?

The school board professional staff need to be pulled outside the superintendent's sphere of influence. Elected positions need to be truly part time, facilitating working parents to have those roles.

They aren’t going to work 40 hours a week and some have full time jobs double dipping with the county. What is your obsession over working parents? Better to have an involved educated stay at home parent truly committed as they have more time. A board job is not a living wage.

It shouldn't be. Board positions should reflect community members with kids in school. That isn't retirees that have no skin in the game. And SAHPs have very different equities than typical parents.

A committed, but misguided, board member can easily do more damage than incompetent board members. I definitely don't want to see SAHPs or retirees on the board.

So, who don't you hate? You think a high educated SAHP cannot do it. That speaks volumes. I don't want a working parent who is hyper focused on advancing their career. The retirees make no sense as they don't have a clue.

A highly educated SAHP might be very effective in the position toward achieving their goals. But I'm not convinced we would have the same goals. A family with a SAHP has a very different set of equities and challenges than a typical family. We've always seen one recent example where this came through: school closures during covid.

families with SAHPs should not be over represented on the board.

How many MCPS teachers died from COVID? There is a number. But it’s a secret. Who do you think is keeping that number a secret?

I think there was a good number and we knew a few.

However bashing a person for staying at home makes no sense and Covid is not relevant. If you cared about people with health issuest do, the MVA would not have closed.

This is what I meant. SAHPs have very different equities than typical families.No one else wanted to continue throwing money at MVA.

Having virtual classes could help a lot of us who don’t have access to classes at their home schools.
no, they don’t have different equities, they just make different choices than you do and you need to feel better about your life choices by putting down others. It’s really not a big deal to make life choices to allow one parent to stay home at a pay level, especially with child and elderly care costs.

My point wasn't to relitigate MVA. Luckily we're past that. But the example demonstrates the problem with having SAHP on the board. They're out of touch and would have very different priorities compared to what is important to most families.

You are the problem. How can someone who cannot relate to other families choices be a good fit? Mcps has a very diverse parental and not all work for different reasons.

You think you are superior, run for BOE.

That is exactly my point! SAHPs can't relate to the problems and needs of most students and families. Your continued defense of spending money on MVA demonstrates that quite well.

DP, but I don’t know why you think your opinion is fact. My husband is a working parent, as are friends, relatives etc. We are not that different and just all want the best for our kids. It sounds like you maybe don’t know many actual SAHPs and have just created this stereotype in contrast to yourself wherein you have problems and needs that this fictitious SAHP doesn’t have.

Another DP here. I certainly disagree with stereotypes about SAHPs but to say a family with a SAHP is exactly the same as a family where both (or the only) parent is working is not true. The difference is the need for non-parental child care and the awareness of what happens when MCPS pulls the rug out from under working parents, including its own employees, when it refuses to allow child care providers to operate.

No one said all families are the same. But the role of the BOE members, which is what we were discussing, is to exercise oversight for the students, staff and school system. If you consider the goal, it shouldn’t matter whether the BOE member is personally a SAHP or WOHP. They’re not the ones making operational decisions on inclement weather days, so I’m not sure why this example was raised. And all working parents are not a monolith. They have different schedules, flexibilities, different age kids, different co-parent arrangements, etc. Parents of high schoolers may have different preferences than parents of elementary schoolers on certain topics. Even super similar demographic families may have different preferences on grading policies, cell phone policies, SROs, boundary decisions, so on and so forth. I’m not sure why the other poster wants to single out SAHPs.

I personally have nothing against a SAHP serving on the BOE, but to suggest the BOE should consist of SAHPs and retirees is also pretty ridiculous. Yes, since BOE jobs require oversight of a multi-billion dollar school system serving over $150,000.students, they should be compensated as a full time job. I don't agree that SAHPs inherently think women shouldn't work outside the home, but absolutely think working parents should be represented on it. The notion that working moms are bad moms is extremely persistent and evident on MCPS's decision making. We need people on the BOE who are personally offended by these reactionary attitudes.

Why shouldn’t all kinds of families be represented. You clearly have no respect for anyone different than you. Working parents are well represented currently on the board. Some are double dipping with two jobs.

It’s a safety issue and it’s not ok you are so entitled and refuse to make a back up child care plan. School is not child care. Even a sahp needs a back up plan occasionally. Try being kinder and maybe others will help you out if you return the favor. Or, get the names of the child care workers and offer them a ton of money and an uber to your home to make it work.

DP-- are there any working parents on the Board with kids in MCPS besides Montoya? Aren't they all older with kids who've already graduated?

Also not sure why you're randomly bringing up that morning child care closure day and hitting PP with vitriol when she didn't even mention it. It was a dumb and unjustifiable screwup to treat beforecare as the only thing that needed to be closed while HS and all-day care were open, and even MCPS admitted it was a mistake. It doesn't make someone entitled to not want MCPS to make stupid decisions. Why do you care so much, anyway, if it doesn't affect you? Are you that person who was here posting about it that morning just to make working parents mad and laugh at us?