Without affirmative action, elite colleges are prioritizing economic diversity in admissions

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Anonymous wrote:If they prioritize economic diversity over race black / Hispanic numbers return to pre affirmative action while increasing the Asian numbers to 50%, but the white numbers take a 12% hit, it this happens Blum will say universities are using economics as a proxy for race to discriminate against whites

The reason they never wanted to do income based affirmative action is because the majority of smart poor kids are rural whites. Those are the absolute last group of people that college administrators want to help.

It gave us JD Vance.

He went to Ohio State on the GI Bill, did really well there, & got in Yale Law based on grades & LSAT. Where was the Affirmative Action?

I say this as a military spouse (and both of us are lawyers), there’s absolutely AA in law school for veterans.

I don’t consider it affirmative action. Veterans absolutely have a special set of skills and work ethic earned and learned from their time in the service and that is taken into consideration for acceptance.

But that doesn’t mean that they will be good lawyers. Why should they get preference for law school?

Because they understand civic duty and public interest better than most.

I’m the PP. I don’t think most people with military experience would agree with this. There’s huge variability.

And the bell curve for veterans is noticably to the right of the general population.

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Anonymous wrote:If they prioritize economic diversity over race black / Hispanic numbers return to pre affirmative action while increasing the Asian numbers to 50%, but the white numbers take a 12% hit, it this happens Blum will say universities are using economics as a proxy for race to discriminate against whites

The reason they never wanted to do income based affirmative action is because the majority of smart poor kids are rural whites. Those are the absolute last group of people that college administrators want to help.

It gave us JD Vance.

He went to Ohio State on the GI Bill, did really well there, & got in Yale Law based on grades & LSAT. Where was the Affirmative Action?

I say this as a military spouse (and both of us are lawyers), there’s absolutely AA in law school for veterans.

I don’t consider it affirmative action. Veterans absolutely have a special set of skills and work ethic earned and learned from their time in the service and that is taken into consideration for acceptance.

But that doesn’t mean that they will be good lawyers. Why should they get preference for law school?

Because they understand civic duty and public interest better than most.

I’m the PP. I don’t think most people with military experience would agree with this. There’s huge variability.

And the bell curve for veterans is noticably to the right of the general population.

So why wouldn’t you do an individual assessment? You could end up with someone on the left tail.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

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Anonymous wrote:If they prioritize economic diversity over race black / Hispanic numbers return to pre affirmative action while increasing the Asian numbers to 50%, but the white numbers take a 12% hit, it this happens Blum will say universities are using economics as a proxy for race to discriminate against whites

The reason they never wanted to do income based affirmative action is because the majority of smart poor kids are rural whites. Those are the absolute last group of people that college administrators want to help.

It gave us JD Vance.

He went to Ohio State on the GI Bill, did really well there, & got in Yale Law based on grades & LSAT. Where was the Affirmative Action?

I say this as a military spouse (and both of us are lawyers), there’s absolutely AA in law school for veterans.

I don’t consider it affirmative action. Veterans absolutely have a special set of skills and work ethic earned and learned from their time in the service and that is taken into consideration for acceptance.

Veterans preferences are usually considred "earned preferences" If you kid is getting a preference because youa re a veteran, that is an unearned preference.

I’m not aware of any schools that give preference because a parent is a veteran. Even the service academies don’t give a boost for this

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

HBCU produce outsized gains in black professionals, would white america support 100 billion to the entire HBCU system?

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

Probably not

HBCU produce outsized gains in black professionals, would white america support 100 billion to the entire HBCU system?

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

HBCU produce outsized gains in black professionals, would white america support 100 billion to the entire HBCU system?

Does “black America” support policies with outsized gains for white Americans living in poverty? I don’t think tribal framing like this is helping anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

HBCU produce outsized gains in black professionals, would white america support 100 billion to the entire HBCU system?

Does “black America” support policies with outsized gains for white Americans living in poverty? I don’t think tribal framing like this is helping anyone.

Without substantial help, instead of the status quo of marginal help to the black community, nothing will change and the black community will be poor until the end of time

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

HBCU produce outsized gains in black professionals, would white america support 100 billion to the entire HBCU system?

Does “black America” support policies with outsized gains for white Americans living in poverty? I don’t think tribal framing like this is helping anyone.

Without substantial help, instead of the status quo of marginal help to the black community, nothing will change and the black community will be poor until the end of time

There always has been substantial help given for many decades now- not much has changed

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Anonymous wrote:Meritocracy is dead

The idea that merit is defined by test scores is boring.

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Anonymous wrote:If they prioritize economic diversity over race black / Hispanic numbers return to pre affirmative action while increasing the Asian numbers to 50%, but the white numbers take a 12% hit, it this happens Blum will say universities are using economics as a proxy for race to discriminate against whites

The reason they never wanted to do income based affirmative action is because the majority of smart poor kids are rural whites. Those are the absolute last group of people that college administrators want to help.

It gave us JD Vance.

He went to Ohio State on the GI Bill, did really well there, & got in Yale Law based on grades & LSAT. Where was the Affirmative Action?

I say this as a military spouse (and both of us are lawyers), there’s absolutely AA in law school for veterans.

I don’t consider it affirmative action. Veterans absolutely have a special set of skills and work ethic earned and learned from their time in the service and that is taken into consideration for acceptance.

But that doesn’t mean that they will be good lawyers. Why should they get preference for law school?

Because they understand civic duty and public interest better than most.

I’m the PP. I don’t think most people with military experience would agree with this. There’s huge variability.

And the bell curve for veterans is noticeably to the right of the general population.

Pretty sure you mean left.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid is at Princeton and isn't skating through.

and went to Stuyvesant, which isn't easy either.

think it totally depends on major and teacher selection.

Princeton is generally considered second to places like MIT/Caltech in terms of rigor.

But most of the other ivy grading is kind of a joke,

Can always tell when the Asian grinder steps up.

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Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

That’s because of the hart cellar act, which forced black America to compete with the best and brightest from the 3rd world



By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

HBCU produce outsized gains in black professionals, would white america support 100 billion to the entire HBCU system?

Does “black America” support policies with outsized gains for white Americans living in poverty? I don’t think tribal framing like this is helping anyone.

Without substantial help, instead of the status quo of marginal help to the black community, nothing will change and the black community will be poor until the end of time

There always has been substantial help given for many decades now- not much has changed

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Howard University, which is a federal charactered school should be given a 30 billion dollar endowment

Why?

And by who?

By the federal government, since it’s a federal chartered school

HBCU produce outsized gains in black professionals, would white america support 100 billion to the entire HBCU system?

Does “black America” support policies with outsized gains for white Americans living in poverty? I don’t think tribal framing like this is helping anyone.

Without substantial help, instead of the status quo of marginal help to the black community, nothing will change and the black community will be poor until the end of time

There always has been substantial help given for many decades now- not much has changed

That’s because of the Hart Cellar Act, which forc d black America to compete with the best and brightest from the 3rd world