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Anonymous wrote:Thank you, OP!!

My kid's scores are surprising too. Highest on nonverbal, which is traditionally a family weakness (96). 90% on verbal and 93 on quant. Composite score 128.

Why on earth are these baffling? 90s aren’t weakness. Someone is saying their kid is in the 50s and you come in saying “me too!” Is it just to make the other feel bad?

No, not at all. I'm just saying that historically my children's nonverbal scores are their lowest.

It seems that NGAT wasn't either designed or administered properly. Looking at the other posters' comments, it seems that the score discrepancy between categories is more than one should normally expect.

NP here. Also a composite of 128 isn't that good. My 3rd grade DC was rejected from full time AAP with that score on Cogat and NNAT. So, if you're hoping your child will get into AAP, it is s disappointing score.

If your definition of a good score is only one in the 98th or 99th percentile then you are failing as a parent. I can understand being disappointed that your child is not accepted into something like AAP but saying that a 97th percentile score is disappointing is a sign that you need to rethink how you are evaluating your child.

That is like saying that a kid who has a 5.0 GPA, 14 AP exams with a score of 5 and not being accepted to MIT is a failure because they didn't get into MIT.

If you are legitimately arguing that a sub 97th percentile "isn't good" then please take some deep breaths and rethink how you are framing your childs abilities.

This is the AAP forum, and far and above the main reason anyone is on this forum reading about NGAT is for its relevance to the AAP application. Obviously I know my child is extremely bright and has a bright future. And we're very proud of her and would never let her see any disappointment in us regarding how she does on standardized tests. But that's all the more reason I was disappointed she didn't have a 99th percentile score on these tests so she could be with other very bright, eager learners who benefit from challenges and extensions in the curriculum.

I assure you....not all of these bright learners will have a 99% score! Not at all!

My oldest got in with a 124 on COGAT, which is a modest score. And he's doing great.

I understand that. That is all the more reason it is upsetting when your child who you know for certain would be better served and happier in the AAP environment doesn't get in, and the fact is that a very high score is needed to guarantee that, even if some outliers like your son are lucky.

No, I don't think you understand. Yes, a very high scores "guarantees" that your child will get into AAP, inasmuch as you can guarantee anything in this life. But that's not the only way to get there. It is mathematically impossible that the entire population of AAP students consists exclusively of 99% scorers. There is not enough of them. So there are plenty of AAP kids with less than 99% score.

Nope. Scores do NOT guarantee admission I have seen plenty of kids with very high scores not get in until 6th grade! Remember the HOPE score too… There is more to the package. It also depends on your area. In higher income areas, kids with crazy high scores still don’t get in. Lower income, lower scores will get in. There are SO many variables in this. No one is guaranteed.

it's hugely school dependent, having been through this at more than one school. At some schools, the AAP info session for full time is PACKED and at some it's pretty empty.

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I have an incredibly dumb question. Why is the in pool group consist of only the top 10%? In reality, isn’t AAP top 20% or 25%? My thinking is that in many schools AAP is 1 classroom out of 4 (or 1 out of 5). I’m clearly missing something.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an incredibly dumb question. Why is the in pool group consist of only the top 10%? In reality, isn’t AAP top 20% or 25%? My thinking is that in many schools AAP is 1 classroom out of 4 (or 1 out of 5). I’m clearly missing something.

I can think of two potential reasons, but I’m certainly no expert.

1) They don’t want to fill it out just based on test scores, so they aren’t just taking the top scores at the school; and

2) Fairfax elementary schools probably have a slightly higher performing group of kids, so there might be more than 1% that get above 99%, and more than 2% above 98%, etc.

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Can someone tell me what percentile is 118? Trying to see if I should apply or let it be.

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Well… I know 119 is 90th. So it’s likely maybe 88 or so. It’s worth applying!

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me what percentile is 118? Trying to see if I should apply or let it be.

88.49%

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How can we check the percentile? I am looking for the percentile for a total score of 138.

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Anonymous wrote:How can we check the percentile? I am looking for the percentile for a total score of 138.

that’s 99%. First calculate the z score using mean and standard deviation. Then look up a NGAT z score reference table, you can find the percentile.

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Anonymous wrote:How can we check the percentile? I am looking for the percentile for a total score of 138.

that’s 99%. First calculate the z score using mean and standard deviation. Then look up a NGAT z score reference table, you can find the percentile.

also you can simply use a standard normal distribution table for probability, and look up the z score to find the percentile. NGAT is normally distributed with mean of 100, sd of 15/16, I seen reference to both when searched up.

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Does anyone know if the county is using the composite score, or will each score need to be in pool? My kiddo’s composite seems safely in pool at 147, but two of the three individual scores are not in range. One score is very high and pulling the composite up. Thinking we should still parent refer, but wondered if anyone knew definitively which number to use.

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Honestly, there are no quotas in AAP. When people say ‘quota kids,’ it’s just code for what they don’t want to say out loud. Must feel nice to be anonymously racist online. And really, the same could be said for the kids who are heavily test-prepped—they probably aren’t exactly ‘supposed’ to be there either. Also, if so many of these families live in “high-income” areas, why can’t they afford private school? Why is everyone so obsessed with AAP? Feels like the zip code flex doesn’t quite match the bank account.

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They consider individual scores; a low verbal and high quantitative score may lead to rejection, as it suggests a stronger fit for advanced math alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if the county is using the composite score, or will each score need to be in pool? My kiddo’s composite seems safely in pool at 147, but two of the three individual scores are not in range. One score is very high and pulling the composite up. Thinking we should still parent refer, but wondered if anyone knew definitively which number to use.

There is no downside to referring. You should refer. I would think this score means automatic admission but who knows.

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Anonymous wrote:They consider individual scores; a low verbal and high quantitative score may lead to rejection, as it suggests a stronger fit for advanced math alone.

what is considered as a low verbal? My son has only 96% on verbal, the other two are above 99%, would this be a problem?

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Anonymous wrote:does anybody have a composite score of greater than 160?

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