Does anyone who really cares about appearance NOT use Botox?

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https://www.self.com/story/medical-grade-skin-care-truth

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that half of these responses talk about how botox changes the shape of someone's face tells you all you need to know about most of the naysayers here.

I don't see anyone saying it changes the shape of the face.

I see people talking about how it changes how your face moves and what you look like when you smile, laugh, or talk, and that's obviously true. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just clearly true. You see it on actors and politicians too, you can tell when their Botox is fresh because of how it impacts how their face moves (or doesn't, or which parts move while other parts are totally still).

Medspa 'injector' botox - yea, for sure, these people have no idea what they are doing, and overtreat since their only offering is usually a microneedling pen and botox

Good cosmetic derm botox - naw, these are who the people who you don't think get anything go to.

Trust me, it’s obvious regardless who does it and how little. Botox freezes the muscle. It’s obvious if you make any facial expression that the muscles aren’t moving naturally.

You just keep telling yourself that - you can't tell when an actual professional does it.

If this is true, why is it so obvious on so many celebrities, who presumably can afford actual professionals?

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Anonymous wrote:Funnily enough I had decided to stop botox (I was doing it twice a year) and then I went to the dentist for a grinding issue and their solution was botox (to relax the muscles causing the grinding). So I continue to botox but for an actual medical reason these days.

I do Botox in my underarms. Year five .. No sweat or need for deodorant. The best.

Added plus .. Insurance fully covers

Tell me more about this.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that half of these responses talk about how botox changes the shape of someone's face tells you all you need to know about most of the naysayers here.

I don't see anyone saying it changes the shape of the face.

I see people talking about how it changes how your face moves and what you look like when you smile, laugh, or talk, and that's obviously true. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just clearly true. You see it on actors and politicians too, you can tell when their Botox is fresh because of how it impacts how their face moves (or doesn't, or which parts move while other parts are totally still).

Medspa 'injector' botox - yea, for sure, these people have no idea what they are doing, and overtreat since their only offering is usually a microneedling pen and botox

Good cosmetic derm botox - naw, these are who the people who you don't think get anything go to.

Trust me, it’s obvious regardless who does it and how little. Botox freezes the muscle. It’s obvious if you make any facial expression that the muscles aren’t moving naturally.

You just keep telling yourself that - you can't tell when an actual professional does it.

If this is true, why is it so obvious on so many celebrities, who presumably can afford actual professionals?

Desperation- their careers depend on having NO wrinkles, not "aging gracefully." Look at poor Courtney Cox- surely she could afford better work than what she's done to her face!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Funnily enough I had decided to stop botox (I was doing it twice a year) and then I went to the dentist for a grinding issue and their solution was botox (to relax the muscles causing the grinding). So I continue to botox but for an actual medical reason these days.

I do Botox in my underarms. Year five .. No sweat or need for deodorant. The best.

Added plus .. Insurance fully covers

Tell me more about this.

Sure.
Saw Derm for what felt like too much underarm sweat & wetness. It's Hyperhidrosis. Derm recommended Botox . It works wonders for this.
I have it administered twice a year -- so every six months. Zero issues whatsoever.

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You should rephrase this-
Does anyone who cares about their appearance actually use Botox?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.self.com/story/medical-grade-skin-care-truth

Yep. I don't use any OTC products for my skin care. All Dermatologists prescribed.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that half of these responses talk about how botox changes the shape of someone's face tells you all you need to know about most of the naysayers here.

I don't see anyone saying it changes the shape of the face.

I see people talking about how it changes how your face moves and what you look like when you smile, laugh, or talk, and that's obviously true. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just clearly true. You see it on actors and politicians too, you can tell when their Botox is fresh because of how it impacts how their face moves (or doesn't, or which parts move while other parts are totally still).

Medspa 'injector' botox - yea, for sure, these people have no idea what they are doing, and overtreat since their only offering is usually a microneedling pen and botox

Good cosmetic derm botox - naw, these are who the people who you don't think get anything go to.

Trust me, it’s obvious regardless who does it and how little. Botox freezes the muscle. It’s obvious if you make any facial expression that the muscles aren’t moving naturally.

You just keep telling yourself that - you can't tell when an actual professional does it.

If this is true, why is it so obvious on so many celebrities, who presumably can afford actual professionals?

Being a professional doesn't mean you are smart.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that half of these responses talk about how botox changes the shape of someone's face tells you all you need to know about most of the naysayers here.

I don't see anyone saying it changes the shape of the face.

I see people talking about how it changes how your face moves and what you look like when you smile, laugh, or talk, and that's obviously true. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just clearly true. You see it on actors and politicians too, you can tell when their Botox is fresh because of how it impacts how their face moves (or doesn't, or which parts move while other parts are totally still).

Medspa 'injector' botox - yea, for sure, these people have no idea what they are doing, and overtreat since their only offering is usually a microneedling pen and botox

Good cosmetic derm botox - naw, these are who the people who you don't think get anything go to.

Trust me, it’s obvious regardless who does it and how little. Botox freezes the muscle. It’s obvious if you make any facial expression that the muscles aren’t moving naturally.

You just keep telling yourself that - you can't tell when an actual professional does it.

If this is true, why is it so obvious on so many celebrities, who presumably can afford actual professionals?

Being a professional doesn't mean you are smart.

Ooops - meant to say being a celebrity doesn't mean you are smart...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm 53 and have fair skin and freckles. And yes, lines, esp. on my forehead and upper lip. I did a few rounds of Botox and didn't really notice a difference, so I have stopped.

I see women older than me who have clearly done something, if not a lot of things, and they look great. But I still know they are 65...So, I have also concluded that it doesn't fool anyone and even if it does, so what?

I could have written this - 52 also fair skin and freckles. However, I don’t have many wrinkles. Because of my freckles I avoid the sun. I sleep well, exercise often (great for skin), and drink lots of water. These things are better for the skin than injecting botulism.

[Anonymous]

Not reading this thread but 48 years old here. I pay a ton for skin products (mostly skin ceuticals and PCA) and won't do botox. I don't like how it makes the face look and I'm not willing to take that risk.

[Anonymous]

45 y o here, don't do Botox. I do a lot of other things, though:

Don't drink
Retinol at night and SPF during the day
Gua sha every morning
Hanacure mask once a week (my face pulses while it's on -- this mask is crazy)

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that half of these responses talk about how botox changes the shape of someone's face tells you all you need to know about most of the naysayers here.

I don't see anyone saying it changes the shape of the face.

I see people talking about how it changes how your face moves and what you look like when you smile, laugh, or talk, and that's obviously true. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just clearly true. You see it on actors and politicians too, you can tell when their Botox is fresh because of how it impacts how their face moves (or doesn't, or which parts move while other parts are totally still).

Medspa 'injector' botox - yea, for sure, these people have no idea what they are doing, and overtreat since their only offering is usually a microneedling pen and botox

Good cosmetic derm botox - naw, these are who the people who you don't think get anything go to.

Trust me, it’s obvious regardless who does it and how little. Botox freezes the muscle. It’s obvious if you make any facial expression that the muscles aren’t moving naturally.

You just keep telling yourself that - you can't tell when an actual professional does it.

If this is true, why is it so obvious on so many celebrities, who presumably can afford actual professionals?

Desperation- their careers depend on having NO wrinkles, not "aging gracefully." Look at poor Courtney Cox- surely she could afford better work than what she's done to her face!!!

But it's not just someone like Cox who has had extensive Botox and fillers for years (though she recently had her filler removed I think) -- I can tell even on the younger actors who still look good, especially at awards shows or when they are promoting a new project because that's when their Botox tends to be more freshly done. Like Glenn Powell was doing the talk show circuit recently and he doesn't look like has had a ton of work done, but he had that taught, shiny look of recent Botox and his forehead didn't move. I just saw a photo of Anne Hathaway at an even this week and you can tell she's doing heavier Botox these days, especially around her eyes.

It often doesn't look too bad on younger actors because they are overall youthful looking and so the Botox is not dramatically different from the rest of their face, which is often fairly unlined. But it seems like as actors near or pass 50, even with the new techniques, the consistent Botox use starts to become obvious as some parts of their face have no lines and other parts that Botox can't help or can't address as well get that crepey, wrinkled look. The best example of this was Nicole Kidman before her recent facelift. Watch the series she did with Hugh Grant, the Undoing -- the look is really uncanny because it makes her eyes look like they are aging while the rest of her face is not. She fixed this with her face lift but that will have to be touched up and fixed too. It looks good now but in 4-5 years who knows. But just like the Botox, it also totally alters her expressions and when she performs, it's just not the same. She can only play certain kinds of roles (rich ice queens mostly). She can't do period work anymore at all.

Jen Aniston has this issue as well. The Morning Show is perfect for her because it's totally believable that her character, a mega-wealthy news anchor turned media exec in her 50s, would look like that. But who else can she play? No one really.

Compare to actors like Andie McDowell, Sandra Oh, Kate Winslet, Carrie Coon, and Jamie Lee Curtis, who can play a much broader range of roles and have more interesting and, in my opinion, rewarding careers. I'd rather age like one of them even if it makes me look older. I want my face to stay mobile and expressive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:45 y o here, don't do Botox. I do a lot of other things, though:

Don't drink
Retinol at night and SPF during the day
Gua sha every morning
Hanacure mask once a week (my face pulses while it's on -- this mask is crazy)

This is me minus the Hanacure mask though I'm curious about it and might try it.

I don't honestly mind wrinkles. I don't have much now. No one in my family gets 11s so I don't think that's realistically a concern. Same with marionette lines -- this just isn't how women in my family age. We get crows feet and fine lines. It looks fine. I wear hats and use SPF and drink plenty of water (and no alcohol) and make sure to moisturize. I think I look good.

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that half of these responses talk about how botox changes the shape of someone's face tells you all you need to know about most of the naysayers here.

I don't see anyone saying it changes the shape of the face.

I see people talking about how it changes how your face moves and what you look like when you smile, laugh, or talk, and that's obviously true. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just clearly true. You see it on actors and politicians too, you can tell when their Botox is fresh because of how it impacts how their face moves (or doesn't, or which parts move while other parts are totally still).

Medspa 'injector' botox - yea, for sure, these people have no idea what they are doing, and overtreat since their only offering is usually a microneedling pen and botox

Good cosmetic derm botox - naw, these are who the people who you don't think get anything go to.

Trust me, it’s obvious regardless who does it and how little. Botox freezes the muscle. It’s obvious if you make any facial expression that the muscles aren’t moving naturally.

You just keep telling yourself that - you can't tell when an actual professional does it.

If this is true, why is it so obvious on so many celebrities, who presumably can afford actual professionals?

So true. But, in some celebs defense, this is a look that they are truly after and want.