Does anyone who really cares about appearance NOT use Botox?

[Anonymous]

A good number of my lawyer friends get baby Botox regularly. I haven’t yet, I would think about it seriously once I get wrinkles, hopefully won’t be until my 40s. We’re all in our 30s.

I do spend a lot on skincare products though (la mer, etc.).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't but I'm only in my 30s. Someone told me years ago to not use it until I'm done having children (something about having to take time off during pregnancy and nursing and it alters your face shape, idk) so I'll start then.

I have a really good skincare routine and take care of myself.

30s is when to start tho…

No. The time to start is whenever you notice fine lines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A good number of my lawyer friends get baby Botox regularly. I haven’t yet, I would think about it seriously once I get wrinkles, hopefully won’t be until my 40s. We’re all in our 30s.

I do spend a lot on skincare products though (la mer, etc.). [/quote

FYA you’re supposed to start Botox when you start seeing creases starting to stick around for longer, BEFORE the wrinkles develop.

Botox is best used to PREVENT wrinkles from developing. It’s not really meant to smooth out wrinkles once they’ve formed. There’s other stuff for that.

[Anonymous]

La Mer is not that great anymore. So many other brands have surpassed it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:La Mer is not that great anymore. So many other brands have surpassed it.

I honestly judge anyone I see using cosmetic skincare in 2025. Medical grade skincare is far superior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:La Mer is not that great anymore. So many other brands have surpassed it.

I honestly judge anyone I see using cosmetic skincare in 2025. Medical grade skincare is far superior.

Not being sarcastic - what is medical grade skincare?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that half of these responses talk about how botox changes the shape of someone's face tells you all you need to know about most of the naysayers here.

I don't see anyone saying it changes the shape of the face.

I see people talking about how it changes how your face moves and what you look like when you smile, laugh, or talk, and that's obviously true. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just clearly true. You see it on actors and politicians too, you can tell when their Botox is fresh because of how it impacts how their face moves (or doesn't, or which parts move while other parts are totally still).

Medspa 'injector' botox - yea, for sure, these people have no idea what they are doing, and overtreat since their only offering is usually a microneedling pen and botox

Good cosmetic derm botox - naw, these are who the people who you don't think get anything go to.

Trust me, it’s obvious regardless who does it and how little. Botox freezes the muscle. It’s obvious if you make any facial expression that the muscles aren’t moving naturally.

You realize it's not binary right? It's not a muscle-on without Botox and muscle-off with it. It's a spectrum. So if you get enough to stop the lines from being harsh without making your face immobile, it absolutely doesn't freeze your face. If it did, you'd get the shot and freeze. It takes about a week to gradually take full effect. Full effect for some is...not frozen at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:La Mer is not that great anymore. So many other brands have surpassed it.

I honestly judge anyone I see using cosmetic skincare in 2025. Medical grade skincare is far superior.

Not being sarcastic - what is medical grade skincare?

Medical grade skincare is extremely effective because it contains higher concentrations of active ingredients and is required to undergo clinical testing to make the claims that it makes. You usually have to get it at a derm's office or at least a med spa.

When I see a woman over the age of 21 using shit like Drunk Elephant, Tacha, etc. I'm like get with the program lol. People think your dermatologist is selling these products just to make money. No. They are selling them because they really work.

In my late 20s I had a dreadfully pretentious bf who made fun of me because his skincare routine was all Kiehl's products and mine was drugstore cleanser, medical grade Vitamin C serum, rx tretinoin, and medical grade moisturizer. Guess which one of us had better skin though!

[Anonymous]

Speaking of "dreadfully pretentious" ^^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of "dreadfully pretentious" ^^

lol, I thought the same thing. A 22 year old doesn’t need medical grade skincare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:La Mer is not that great anymore. So many other brands have surpassed it.

I honestly judge anyone I see using cosmetic skincare in 2025. Medical grade skincare is far superior.

Not being sarcastic - what is medical grade skincare?

Medical grade skincare is extremely effective because it contains higher concentrations of active ingredients and is required to undergo clinical testing to make the claims that it makes. You usually have to get it at a derm's office or at least a med spa.

When I see a woman over the age of 21 using shit like Drunk Elephant, Tacha, etc. I'm like get with the program lol. People think your dermatologist is selling these products just to make money. No. They are selling them because they really work.

In my late 20s I had a dreadfully pretentious bf who made fun of me because his skincare routine was all Kiehl's products and mine was drugstore cleanser, medical grade Vitamin C serum, rx tretinoin, and medical grade moisturizer. Guess which one of us had better skin though!

So which products do you use?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that half of these responses talk about how botox changes the shape of someone's face tells you all you need to know about most of the naysayers here.

I don't see anyone saying it changes the shape of the face.

I see people talking about how it changes how your face moves and what you look like when you smile, laugh, or talk, and that's obviously true. Not saying it's good or bad, it's just clearly true. You see it on actors and politicians too, you can tell when their Botox is fresh because of how it impacts how their face moves (or doesn't, or which parts move while other parts are totally still).

Medspa 'injector' botox - yea, for sure, these people have no idea what they are doing, and overtreat since their only offering is usually a microneedling pen and botox

Good cosmetic derm botox - naw, these are who the people who you don't think get anything go to.

Trust me, it’s obvious regardless who does it and how little. Botox freezes the muscle. It’s obvious if you make any facial expression that the muscles aren’t moving naturally.

You just keep telling yourself that - you can't tell when an actual professional does it.

You can. Name any “big” DC Botox doc or practice and I’ll describe the signature look they end up giving people. They’ve all got a style - wanna start with Dr. Sherber? SkinDC?

I'm not talking about the instagram practices. IYKYK

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:53, no Botox, I don’t like how it makes the face look.

+1. This is something white women with a certain type of skin that doesn’t age well do.

I know plenty of POC (male and female) who have had Botox.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:La Mer is not that great anymore. So many other brands have surpassed it.

I honestly judge anyone I see using cosmetic skincare in 2025. Medical grade skincare is far superior.

Not being sarcastic - what is medical grade skincare?

Medical grade skincare is extremely effective because it contains higher concentrations of active ingredients and is required to undergo clinical testing to make the claims that it makes. You usually have to get it at a derm's office or at least a med spa.

When I see a woman over the age of 21 using shit like Drunk Elephant, Tacha, etc. I'm like get with the program lol. People think your dermatologist is selling these products just to make money. No. They are selling them because they really work.

In my late 20s I had a dreadfully pretentious bf who made fun of me because his skincare routine was all Kiehl's products and mine was drugstore cleanser, medical grade Vitamin C serum, rx tretinoin, and medical grade moisturizer. Guess which one of us had better skin though!

So which products do you use?

I just told you. Cerave cleanser (though lately I've been using The Ordinary squalene cleanser which I like a little more), Skinbetter Alto, rx tret, and skinbetter Trio.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:La Mer is not that great anymore. So many other brands have surpassed it.

I honestly judge anyone I see using cosmetic skincare in 2025. Medical grade skincare is far superior.

Not being sarcastic - what is medical grade skincare?

That PP is full of it. There is no medical grade skincare, there is only skincare that says it is medical grade. It's all the same.