Program Analysis Lets Shut It Down

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the idea is that only Whitmans course offerings should be offered everywhere?

There are programs not at Whitman….

The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

Reposting this for everyone trying to ignore and distract from it

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the idea is that only Whitmans course offerings should be offered everywhere?

There are programs not at Whitman….

The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

I’m not opposed to sticking the humanities magnet somewhere else, but this thread is about ending all of the program analysis. There are at least two other threads for the Whitman humanities magnet.

This is one of the many reasons why the program model will HARM east county high schools. You just don't want people to share this information. I would love for the regional program proposal to be shut down as that would prevent the probable harms I have described above. If nothing else, it is evidence that MCPS has developed a reckless and harmful proposal and needs to be stopped in its tracks immediately.

Do you realize that in relation to messaging you seem to be the one opposed to equity? The new regional programs are touted as being more equitable for a number of reasons. Opposing them WHOLE CLOTH would appear to ignore and even denigrate the issues they are attempting to solve.

I've already explained above why the proposal creates the opposite of equity. If you don't agree that's fine, but explain how you think an academic magnet at Whitman promotes equity (maybe look up the word equity before you so that).

My only question is how popular a humanities magnet actually would be. The only reasons I can fathom putting it at Whitman are space and unpopularity.

Prior program analysis proposal put it at BCC, which seems ok but doubt they have space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the idea is that only Whitmans course offerings should be offered everywhere?

There are programs not at Whitman….

The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

I’m not opposed to sticking the humanities magnet somewhere else, but this thread is about ending all of the program analysis. There are at least two other threads for the Whitman humanities magnet.

This is one of the many reasons why the program model will HARM east county high schools. You just don't want people to share this information. I would love for the regional program proposal to be shut down as that would prevent the probable harms I have described above. If nothing else, it is evidence that MCPS has developed a reckless and harmful proposal and needs to be stopped in its tracks immediately.

Do you realize that in relation to messaging you seem to be the one opposed to equity? The new regional programs are touted as being more equitable for a number of reasons. Opposing them WHOLE CLOTH would appear to ignore and even denigrate the issues they are attempting to solve.

I've already explained above why the proposal creates the opposite of equity. If you don't agree that's fine, but explain how you think an academic magnet at Whitman promotes equity (maybe look up the word equity before you so that).

My only question is how popular a humanities magnet actually would be. The only reasons I can fathom putting it at Whitman are space and unpopularity.

Prior program analysis proposal put it at BCC, which seems ok but doubt they have space.

Whitman is ALREADY meeting the local interest in the humanities with their local courses. There is interest Northwood as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the idea is that only Whitmans course offerings should be offered everywhere?

There are programs not at Whitman….

The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

I’m not opposed to sticking the humanities magnet somewhere else, but this thread is about ending all of the program analysis. There are at least two other threads for the Whitman humanities magnet.

This is one of the many reasons why the program model will HARM east county high schools. You just don't want people to share this information. I would love for the regional program proposal to be shut down as that would prevent the probable harms I have described above. If nothing else, it is evidence that MCPS has developed a reckless and harmful proposal and needs to be stopped in its tracks immediately.

Do you realize that in relation to messaging you seem to be the one opposed to equity? The new regional programs are touted as being more equitable for a number of reasons. Opposing them WHOLE CLOTH would appear to ignore and even denigrate the issues they are attempting to solve.

I've already explained above why the proposal creates the opposite of equity. If you don't agree that's fine, but explain how you think an academic magnet at Whitman promotes equity (maybe look up the word equity before you so that).

My only question is how popular a humanities magnet actually would be. The only reasons I can fathom putting it at Whitman are space and unpopularity.

Prior program analysis proposal put it at BCC, which seems ok but doubt they have space.

No one knows how popular any of the magnets will be. They’ve not polled the audience at all!

[Anonymous]

Btw you can't gauge interest by how many kids sign up for courses if you don't offer the same courses at all the schools.

MCPS has done nothing to measure interest.at different schools. Zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the idea is that only Whitmans course offerings should be offered everywhere?

There are programs not at Whitman….

The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

I’m not opposed to sticking the humanities magnet somewhere else, but this thread is about ending all of the program analysis. There are at least two other threads for the Whitman humanities magnet.

This is one of the many reasons why the program model will HARM east county high schools. You just don't want people to share this information. I would love for the regional program proposal to be shut down as that would prevent the probable harms I have described above. If nothing else, it is evidence that MCPS has developed a reckless and harmful proposal and needs to be stopped in its tracks immediately.

Do you realize that in relation to messaging you seem to be the one opposed to equity? The new regional programs are touted as being more equitable for a number of reasons. Opposing them WHOLE CLOTH would appear to ignore and even denigrate the issues they are attempting to solve.

I've already explained above why the proposal creates the opposite of equity. If you don't agree that's fine, but explain how you think an academic magnet at Whitman promotes equity (maybe look up the word equity before you so that).

My only question is how popular a humanities magnet actually would be. The only reasons I can fathom putting it at Whitman are space and unpopularity.

Prior program analysis proposal put it at BCC, which seems ok but doubt they have space.

Whitman is ALREADY meeting the local interest in the humanities with their local courses. There is interest Northwood as well.

Wasn’t Northwood supposed to be the performing arts magnet? Like in its original conception. I know the arts got weirdly divided between Einstein and Northwood in the most recent proposal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the idea is that only Whitmans course offerings should be offered everywhere?

There are programs not at Whitman….

The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

I’m not opposed to sticking the humanities magnet somewhere else, but this thread is about ending all of the program analysis. There are at least two other threads for the Whitman humanities magnet.

This is one of the many reasons why the program model will HARM east county high schools. You just don't want people to share this information. I would love for the regional program proposal to be shut down as that would prevent the probable harms I have described above. If nothing else, it is evidence that MCPS has developed a reckless and harmful proposal and needs to be stopped in its tracks immediately.

Do you realize that in relation to messaging you seem to be the one opposed to equity? The new regional programs are touted as being more equitable for a number of reasons. Opposing them WHOLE CLOTH would appear to ignore and even denigrate the issues they are attempting to solve.

I've already explained above why the proposal creates the opposite of equity. If you don't agree that's fine, but explain how you think an academic magnet at Whitman promotes equity (maybe look up the word equity before you so that).

My only question is how popular a humanities magnet actually would be. The only reasons I can fathom putting it at Whitman are space and unpopularity.

Prior program analysis proposal put it at BCC, which seems ok but doubt they have space.

Whitman is ALREADY meeting the local interest in the humanities with their local courses. There is interest Northwood as well.

Wasn’t Northwood supposed to be the performing arts magnet? Like in its original conception. I know the arts got weirdly divided between Einstein and Northwood in the most recent proposal.

They are changing a lot of things, have you not noticed this?

[Anonymous]

Again, The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the idea is that only Whitmans course offerings should be offered everywhere?

There are programs not at Whitman….

The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

I’m not opposed to sticking the humanities magnet somewhere else, but this thread is about ending all of the program analysis. There are at least two other threads for the Whitman humanities magnet.

This is one of the many reasons why the program model will HARM east county high schools. You just don't want people to share this information. I would love for the regional program proposal to be shut down as that would prevent the probable harms I have described above. If nothing else, it is evidence that MCPS has developed a reckless and harmful proposal and needs to be stopped in its tracks immediately.

Do you realize that in relation to messaging you seem to be the one opposed to equity? The new regional programs are touted as being more equitable for a number of reasons. Opposing them WHOLE CLOTH would appear to ignore and even denigrate the issues they are attempting to solve.

I've already explained above why the proposal creates the opposite of equity. If you don't agree that's fine, but explain how you think an academic magnet at Whitman promotes equity (maybe look up the word equity before you so that).

My only question is how popular a humanities magnet actually would be. The only reasons I can fathom putting it at Whitman are space and unpopularity.

Prior program analysis proposal put it at BCC, which seems ok but doubt they have space.

Whitman is ALREADY meeting the local interest in the humanities with their local courses. There is interest Northwood as well.

Wasn’t Northwood supposed to be the performing arts magnet? Like in its original conception. I know the arts got weirdly divided between Einstein and Northwood in the most recent proposal.

They are changing a lot of things, have you not noticed this?

Yes I have and indicated that I knew. Thank you for your betchy non-answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the idea is that only Whitmans course offerings should be offered everywhere?

There are programs not at Whitman….

The problem is the MCPS analysis only looks at programs, which are composed of courses. But many courses are not part of a program. Just because Northwood has a humanities "program" doesn't mean it has more humanities courses.
than Whitman. In actuality, Whitman has more and they aren't shared with several other schools as in the DCC.

Whitman can keep its courses. But why would you place a magnet humanities program there? It will siphon off the kids that would do AP social studies at other schools. Why not recognize ALL.of Whitman's assets, not just its named programs? It already has advanced math, science, engineering and social studies classes that other schools in Region 1 do not have. It does not need a criteria based academic magne program that will just hurt advanced course offerings at other schools.

I’m not opposed to sticking the humanities magnet somewhere else, but this thread is about ending all of the program analysis. There are at least two other threads for the Whitman humanities magnet.

This is one of the many reasons why the program model will HARM east county high schools. You just don't want people to share this information. I would love for the regional program proposal to be shut down as that would prevent the probable harms I have described above. If nothing else, it is evidence that MCPS has developed a reckless and harmful proposal and needs to be stopped in its tracks immediately.

Do you realize that in relation to messaging you seem to be the one opposed to equity? The new regional programs are touted as being more equitable for a number of reasons. Opposing them WHOLE CLOTH would appear to ignore and even denigrate the issues they are attempting to solve.

I've already explained above why the proposal creates the opposite of equity. If you don't agree that's fine, but explain how you think an academic magnet at Whitman promotes equity (maybe look up the word equity before you so that).

You actually just seem to be overly focused on what Whitman will or will not get as opposed to Kennedy, Einstein, Northwood. Meanwhile there are 21 other HS in the county. And plenty of schools that don't belong to the DCC nor NEC, so they currently don't even have a similar choice process. You seem to be looking at equity through a very narrow lens.

Every school should get a criteria magnet program. You need to make the case of why Whitman should get a different one than what they have currently selected.

[Anonymous]

What I’m hearing, and it could be wrong, is that MCPS wants to give high performing kids stuck in underperforming kids a way to have their needs met through programs. But because MCPS didn’t actually ask anyone, they assumed wrong and these families just want their needs adequately met at the schools they chose for themselves (their home schools). High performing kids at well resourced schools also don’t tend to feel the need for these programs a lot of the time, so adding more of them is probably pretty unnecessary. Maybe they could slowly add a few more countywide ones to increase seats incrementally and so travel is not as long. Are we all in agreement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’m hearing, and it could be wrong, is that MCPS wants to give high performing kids stuck in underperforming kids a way to have their needs met through programs. But because MCPS didn’t actually ask anyone, they assumed wrong and these families just want their needs adequately met at the schools they chose for themselves (their home schools). High performing kids at well resourced schools also don’t tend to feel the need for these programs a lot of the time, so adding more of them is probably pretty unnecessary. Maybe they could slowly add a few more countywide ones to increase seats incrementally and so travel is not as long. Are we all in agreement?

No, I do not think their goal is this at all. I think they are trying to propose a system that looks uniform, call it "equity" and leave in place and/or exacerbate the existing inequities in opportunities among different high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I’m hearing, and it could be wrong, is that MCPS wants to give high performing kids stuck in underperforming kids a way to have their needs met through programs. But because MCPS didn’t actually ask anyone, they assumed wrong and these families just want their needs adequately met at the schools they chose for themselves (their home schools). High performing kids at well resourced schools also don’t tend to feel the need for these programs a lot of the time, so adding more of them is probably pretty unnecessary. Maybe they could slowly add a few more countywide ones to increase seats incrementally and so travel is not as long. Are we all in agreement?

Exactly! This was once done for Poolsville SMCS in a slow and corporative pace. Blair SMCS teachers and coordinators helped a lot in the first few years in building another strong program to benefit upper county high performers without sacrificing others' priorities. This round SMCS alumni foundation and coordinator tried to offer help and suggestions, and were shut the door from the beginning.

The regional model is going to drain every HS' existing resource to build a bunch of watered-down low quality programs that no one would be interested in.

[Anonymous]

MCPS surely already knows that the lowest income families are the least likely to send their kids far away to school, especially if you don't provide efficient transportation. So you shouldn't put programs intended to benefit them far from their homes, especially if you are also making them get to their home schools in order to get a ride to the other school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’m hearing, and it could be wrong, is that MCPS wants to give high performing kids stuck in underperforming kids a way to have their needs met through programs. But because MCPS didn’t actually ask anyone, they assumed wrong and these families just want their needs adequately met at the schools they chose for themselves (their home schools). High performing kids at well resourced schools also don’t tend to feel the need for these programs a lot of the time, so adding more of them is probably pretty unnecessary. Maybe they could slowly add a few more countywide ones to increase seats incrementally and so travel is not as long. Are we all in agreement?

Exactly! This was once done for Poolsville SMCS in a slow and corporative pace. Blair SMCS teachers and coordinators helped a lot in the first few years in building another strong program to benefit upper county high performers without sacrificing others' priorities. This round SMCS alumni foundation and coordinator tried to offer help and suggestions, and were shut the door from the beginning.

The regional model is going to drain every HS' existing resource to build a bunch of watered-down low quality programs that no one would be interested in.

Couldn't they just do this again by putting a 3rd SMCS magnet at Woodward and then divide the county into 3rds instead of 6 regions?

Am I missing some reason this wouldn't be a far more manageable project with a higher chance of success than their plan?