UVA out of top 25

[Anonymous]

I have no dog in the UVA fight but as someone who hires engineers it's a discipline where it really doesn't matter where you go to school. There are 170+ schools beneath UVA and their grads all get great jobs too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in the UVA fight but as someone who hires engineers it's a discipline where it really doesn't matter where you go to school. There are 170+ schools beneath UVA and their grads all get great jobs too.

+1

[Anonymous]

The rankings will change a lot next year. The graduate school has been decimated by cuts in research funding, and there is no reliable data this year. So USNR decided to use last year’s graduate school data. That is why the rankings didn’t change much this year. But next year, research universities are likely to be affected by the rankings unless things turn around.

[Anonymous]

The majority of the ranking is based on the peer score, which is made up from surveys of people at other schools. Is that really a good way of judging a college? What other colleges think? Not what students, parents, and employers think?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to a C’ville local article:

Where UVA falls way behind its peers in the rankings. and has since these rankings began the new category in 2020, is social mobility. The category evaluates how universities serve low-income students, and UVA has traditionally fallen behind in this metric because of its relatively small proportion of Pell Grant students. The University of Virginia ranks in a tie for 173rd in that metric. The number is not too far below Michigan’s 166th, but is way below UC-Berkeley’s 87th, UNC’s 77th, and UCLA’s 30th rank.

Pell is 5% of the ranking.

[Anonymous]

I'm a parent of two UVA grads and will admit that I like to see it ranked in the top 25 and that seeing it at 26 irks me a little. I realize that I'm being ridiculous and of course am not losing any sleep over it, thinking silly things like "it's in decline," etc. And obviously it means nothing in the real world. I think it's also fair to say that the rankings are losing their influence with time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to a C’ville local article:

Where UVA falls way behind its peers in the rankings. and has since these rankings began the new category in 2020, is social mobility. The category evaluates how universities serve low-income students, and UVA has traditionally fallen behind in this metric because of its relatively small proportion of Pell Grant students. The University of Virginia ranks in a tie for 173rd in that metric. The number is not too far below Michigan’s 166th, but is way below UC-Berkeley’s 87th, UNC’s 77th, and UCLA’s 30th rank.

Pell is 5% of the ranking.

True, but the difference is huge and the final "score" differential between these schools is fractional so it makes a difference. So much so, in fact, that UVA acknowledges the cause and effect. And I'd hazard a guess that the schools have a better understanding of how they're ending up where they're ranked than you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to a C’ville local article:

Where UVA falls way behind its peers in the rankings. and has since these rankings began the new category in 2020, is social mobility. The category evaluates how universities serve low-income students, and UVA has traditionally fallen behind in this metric because of its relatively small proportion of Pell Grant students. The University of Virginia ranks in a tie for 173rd in that metric. The number is not too far below Michigan’s 166th, but is way below UC-Berkeley’s 87th, UNC’s 77th, and UCLA’s 30th rank.

Pell is 5% of the ranking.

True, but the difference is huge and the final "score" differential between these schools is fractional so it makes a difference. So much so, in fact, that UVA acknowledges the cause and effect. And I'd hazard a guess that the schools have a better understanding of how they're ending up where they're ranked than you do.

This. UVA ranked higher before USNWR changed its logarithm to raise the impact of Pell grant students. Prior, UVA consistently ranked as no 2 public, with only Michigan ahead of it. And it was 22 overall. It dropped slightly when USNWR increased the Pell grant percentage. Obviously schools in poorer states rose, hence UCLA and Cal jumped. Virginia is per capita a wealthier state so there will always be fewer Pell grant recipients. Also,
Pell grant status isn’t known at time of application, so UVA can’t very pick them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVa boosters made a thread to bash Emory, WashU and other schools yesterday. Calling them pseudo prestigious. Funny how things work out.

Yep

So let me get this straight: that US News moves UVA out of the 3 way tie for 24th and now says it’s 26th makes all the difference?

it’s this, folks. No story here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody really cares about school rankings in the real world. From what I’ve seen, they have little impact once you're actually working. I'm a federal employee with a master’s degree from the University of Michigan, and one of my colleagues graduated from Carnegie Mellon. We both report to a manager who went to Northern Virginia Community College before transferring to James Madison University. His supervisor? She graduated from the University of Mary Washington. Before I joined the federal government, I worked at Apple—my manager there had a degree from Capella University, and his boss was a college dropout from UMBC. So really, does it matter if UVA is ranked a few spots below Emory?

It shouldn't matter, but it does to uva boosters who couldn't leave Emory alone few days ago.

LOL I'm the OP of the thread you're referring to and Emory and UVA going from tied to one right after the other in the rankings means nothing. Any VA family would be nuts to pick Emory over UVA for this reasons. They remain peers.

If you are a VA resident and also have money to burn, go ahead, send your kid to Emory. Leave a spot for a VA kid that really wants UVA, and cannot afford OOS tuition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The majority of the ranking is based on the peer score, which is made up from surveys of people at other schools. Is that really a good way of judging a college? What other colleges think? Not what students, parents, and employers think?

The respondents almost certainly don't know much detail about what is going on at other schools at the undergraduate level. They may have some idea of the research that is being published in their fields. That is probably more significant only for individual graduate programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to a C’ville local article:

Where UVA falls way behind its peers in the rankings. and has since these rankings began the new category in 2020, is social mobility. The category evaluates how universities serve low-income students, and UVA has traditionally fallen behind in this metric because of its relatively small proportion of Pell Grant students. The University of Virginia ranks in a tie for 173rd in that metric. The number is not too far below Michigan’s 166th, but is way below UC-Berkeley’s 87th, UNC’s 77th, and UCLA’s 30th rank.

Pell is 5% of the ranking.

Pell related is 11%, not 5%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:UVA is really run ryan. There is a lot of racism. The engineering school has dropped significantly in rank. It's not a surprise to anyone. In actually surprised it's not ranked lower.

Ain't that the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The rankings will change a lot next year. The graduate school has been decimated by cuts in research funding, and there is no reliable data this year. So USNR decided to use last year’s graduate school data. That is why the rankings didn’t change much this year. But next year, research universities are likely to be affected by the rankings unless things turn around.

It will hurt publics the most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is really run ryan. There is a lot of racism. The engineering school has dropped significantly in rank. It's not a surprise to anyone. In actually surprised it's not ranked lower.

Ain't that the truth.

In English?