As a Jew, I’m terrified

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

For some of you posters, breathing is antisemitism.

Please describe, in detail, why you think “Jews make everything about themselves” is not an antisemitic viewpoint. I’ll wait.

Israel attacks Iran. Jews immediately post about fear of antisemitism. They are the aggressor just like the US now but want to play the part of the victim. The person who said they use it as a get out of jail free card is onto the problem. Why don't you wait till something actually happens before you appeal to other's instincts to help you? Already most Americans are overwhelmed with the news that we are brought into this mess and most want out. We are too busy working to get our own government out of the conflict and deal with the people actually suffering physically to deal with your mental anguish. I don't have time for your fake victimhood saying that people are antisemitic because they don't agree with Israel or don't invite you to dinner anymore. Maybe they are being antisemitic but it's an appropriate response to the aggression. There are plenty of other groups that people display negativity towards. Anti-women, anti trans, anti gay, anti-white men, anti-blacks, anti-immigrant, anti-Palestinian. Unless there is an actual real threat to life I don't want to hear about it and am extremely upset we are now involved in yet another war placing the DC area in danger.

The entire point is Jews who have nothing to do with any of this are getting blamed. You do know that Jews already face the majority of hate crimes, right? https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jewish-people-make-up-2-4-of-the-u-s-population-but-are-the-targets-of-about-60-of-hate-crimes-linked-to-religion-says-fbi-director-2dd86906

Nobody buys that, kemosabe.

Just because the ADL pushes false data doesn’t mean anyone is buying it …

Hate crimes are abhorrent anyway, regardless the victim’s identity. But cut the shit that Jewish Americans are the most targeted victim’s of anything.

There’s not a single Jewish American alive who would agree to trade places with a black, Latino or LBGT person for even an hour …

Do you believe it when the FBI says it? Or the Chicago Sun Times? Or are they also controlled by the Joos?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67281042
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/07/15/opinion-anstisemitism-hate-crimes-chicago/

DP, also a Jew; I find these ADL claims sketchy, too, as they lump in anti-Israel incidents with broader antisemitic incidents. And those other reports are almost definitely just citing ADL stats, anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:I never understood Jewish support for Trump. He admires Hitler, has shared beliefs and rhetoric, and followed the same playbook. He hired white supremacists and they were his base. Why would you support a man just like him just because a different ethic group was his target? It was appalling, actually.

Yes, this is why the vast majority of American Jews never voted for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish people always make everything about them

It stems from the whole framing of any event thru the lens of “is it good/bad for the Jews”

https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/is-it-good-for-the-jews/

Normally I flag this stuff but leaving it up for proof that DCUM is chock full of antisemites

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It stems from the whole framing of any event thru the lens of “is it good/bad for the Jews”

https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/is-it-good-for-the-jews/

Seems reasonable for American Jews to worry that a war in the Middle East started by Israel might be bad for the Jews, though?

American Jews are funding aipac. AIPAC is in return buying us politicians who whore themselves out.

A lot of white women and their white women followers now vocally supporting a war in Iran.

Zibby Owens - her dad a huge Trumpster
Samantha Ettus
Noa Tishby

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Based on the values demonstrated in your stated views, I hope you don’t experience anything along the lines of what you fear because you don’t seem like part of the problem.

So Jews that support Israel deserve what, to be subjected to attacks here in the US?

DP they should at minimum be drafted in to the front line US units.

Only Jews, or also Christians who support Israel and support bombing Iran?

DP. I’m just glad that for now, it’s an all volunteer military. I pray it remains that way for my kids sake. Those who want to fight for the man with the billions, have at it. Just do enough job to keep that greedy, bullshat outside the continuous United States.

If you think our military is made up of true volunteers, and not folks manipulated through the economics of poverty, you're naive. Your children aren't being used for cannon fodder because they are most likely white and financially privileged. Try not to be so glib about the people who weren't so lucky, had to make different choices to say, pay for college, and who will now put their lives on the line for a bunch of old men playing at war.

Okay, I concede to what you wrote is more likely than not true. My DC is not white, but Black and to a certain degree financially privileged through his parents hard work. If we did not gave the funds for his education, I would still discourage him from joint military. Costco, AutoZone, mechanic, and plumber would be highly encouraged over uncle Sam’s continuous, nonstop, mostly preventable wars. I m earn if they get a desk job like JD Vance, NBD, but that’s a crapshoot. And like I said, I m glad my generation have risen to the point where my DC does not have to do what both my DH and mine had to do, join army and Navy to survive.

American wars have always, always been fought by the poor and lower income households. When called to fight, Plantation owners paid others to fight on their behalf. The Trump’s and Bushes paid doctors to write them a get out if the draft prescription. Perhaps WW2 was the only war in which the poor and privileged fought side by side. The financially privileged were the officers and the farm and Brooklyn boys the hard hitting point man.
YMMV.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

For some of you posters, breathing is antisemitism.

Please describe, in detail, why you think “Jews make everything about themselves” is not an antisemitic viewpoint. I’ll wait.

NP - ummm...you just proved their point. Saying "POC play the race card" is also NOT racist. I think AIPAC is corrupt. Is that anti-Semetic to you?

The definition of what is anti-Semitic has blurred just as the definition of racist has. It's why Trump won. I blame people like you for handing us Trump.

… um saying “POC play the race card” most definitely is racist.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

For some of you posters, breathing is antisemitism.

Please describe, in detail, why you think “Jews make everything about themselves” is not an antisemitic viewpoint. I’ll wait.

Israel attacks Iran. Jews immediately post about fear of antisemitism. They are the aggressor just like the US now but want to play the part of the victim. The person who said they use it as a get out of jail free card is onto the problem. Why don't you wait till something actually happens before you appeal to other's instincts to help you? Already most Americans are overwhelmed with the news that we are brought into this mess and most want out. We are too busy working to get our own government out of the conflict and deal with the people actually suffering physically to deal with your mental anguish. I don't have time for your fake victimhood saying that people are antisemitic because they don't agree with Israel or don't invite you to dinner anymore. Maybe they are being antisemitic but it's an appropriate response to the aggression. There are plenty of other groups that people display negativity towards. Anti-women, anti trans, anti gay, anti-white men, anti-blacks, anti-immigrant, anti-Palestinian. Unless there is an actual real threat to life I don't want to hear about it and am extremely upset we are now involved in yet another war placing the DC area in danger.

“Maybe they are being antisemitic but it's an appropriate response to the aggression”

OK then. You made your point: you are antisemitic and feel it is justified. at least you are being honest.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

For some of you posters, breathing is antisemitism.

Please describe, in detail, why you think “Jews make everything about themselves” is not an antisemitic viewpoint. I’ll wait.

Israel attacks Iran. Jews immediately post about fear of antisemitism. They are the aggressor just like the US now but want to play the part of the victim. The person who said they use it as a get out of jail free card is onto the problem. Why don't you wait till something actually happens before you appeal to other's instincts to help you? Already most Americans are overwhelmed with the news that we are brought into this mess and most want out. We are too busy working to get our own government out of the conflict and deal with the people actually suffering physically to deal with your mental anguish. I don't have time for your fake victimhood saying that people are antisemitic because they don't agree with Israel or don't invite you to dinner anymore. Maybe they are being antisemitic but it's an appropriate response to the aggression. There are plenty of other groups that people display negativity towards. Anti-women, anti trans, anti gay, anti-white men, anti-blacks, anti-immigrant, anti-Palestinian. Unless there is an actual real threat to life I don't want to hear about it and am extremely upset we are now involved in yet another war placing the DC area in danger.

Sorry, but Israel attacking Iran does not make American Jews the aggressor. And disliking American Jews is not an appropriate response to Israel’s actions. Disliking specific American Jews because they support Israel’s actions is one thing; declaring us all to be warmongers is another, and suggesting that we have a special responsibility to answer for another country’s policy is, too. Just because Netanyahu declares himself to be the king of the Jews doesn’t mean you need to agree with him.

DP. Americans are the aggressor. There is probably more anti-American sentiment today than last week.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

For some of you posters, breathing is antisemitism.

Please describe, in detail, why you think “Jews make everything about themselves” is not an antisemitic viewpoint. I’ll wait.

Israel attacks Iran. Jews immediately post about fear of antisemitism. They are the aggressor just like the US now but want to play the part of the victim. The person who said they use it as a get out of jail free card is onto the problem. Why don't you wait till something actually happens before you appeal to other's instincts to help you? Already most Americans are overwhelmed with the news that we are brought into this mess and most want out. We are too busy working to get our own government out of the conflict and deal with the people actually suffering physically to deal with your mental anguish. I don't have time for your fake victimhood saying that people are antisemitic because they don't agree with Israel or don't invite you to dinner anymore. Maybe they are being antisemitic but it's an appropriate response to the aggression. There are plenty of other groups that people display negativity towards. Anti-women, anti trans, anti gay, anti-white men, anti-blacks, anti-immigrant, anti-Palestinian. Unless there is an actual real threat to life I don't want to hear about it and am extremely upset we are now involved in yet another war placing the DC area in danger.

The entire point is Jews who have nothing to do with any of this are getting blamed. You do know that Jews already face the majority of hate crimes, right? https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jewish-people-make-up-2-4-of-the-u-s-population-but-are-the-targets-of-about-60-of-hate-crimes-linked-to-religion-says-fbi-director-2dd86906

Most people are able to make the distinction between Jews and Israel. Why can't you? Israel is being blamed, because Israel started this, knowing very well we would have to finish it.

I hear you, but Bill Ackman, Miriam Adelson, Jan Koum, and other prominent billionaire Americans Jews have stepped out to say they speak on behalf of Americans Jews, and support for Israel is number one.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record I don’t agree with any of this — not what Israel is doing in Gaza and certainly not what’s happening in Iran. But, I fear how much I and all other American Jews are going to face even more antisemitism and retribution because of today’s actions. And I’m terrified.

Something tells me that you will be fine. Imagine being a Muslim in these United States right now. Now that group will face even more Islamophobia and harassment. It’s not all about you OP.

+1. This was my first thought when I read OP. It’s not all about you and you have the ability to make that clear by articulating you don’t support this. If more American Jews did this, it would impact the conversation.

But Muslims don’t have that luxury.

Muslims could speak up about Hamas and Iran. and it would have exactly the same influence on Islamophobia as speaking up about Gaza does on antisemitism. That is, zero.

We’ve been through this before. groups that are subject to animus have zero responsibility to declare themselves the “Good Ones” in order to be free from prejudice and hate crimes. It doesn’t work, and it’s not fair. This is exactly the same for antisemitism and Islamophobia and we learned this lesson after 9/11.

Muslims could also speak out against Islamic terror, the motivating force behind the ME terror regimes and groups. That would demonstrate that mainstream Muslims in the U.S. are cut from different cloth. But they don't say anything, why?

Should also be Jews responsible for speaking out against the genocide and ethnic cleansing Israel is committing?

That is literally what this thread is trying to do and the response has been “Jews make everything about themselves.” Because of antisemitism. That is a nakedly antisemitic viewpoint.

For some of you posters, breathing is antisemitism.

Please describe, in detail, why you think “Jews make everything about themselves” is not an antisemitic viewpoint. I’ll wait.

Israel attacks Iran. Jews immediately post about fear of antisemitism. They are the aggressor just like the US now but want to play the part of the victim. The person who said they use it as a get out of jail free card is onto the problem. Why don't you wait till something actually happens before you appeal to other's instincts to help you? Already most Americans are overwhelmed with the news that we are brought into this mess and most want out. We are too busy working to get our own government out of the conflict and deal with the people actually suffering physically to deal with your mental anguish. I don't have time for your fake victimhood saying that people are antisemitic because they don't agree with Israel or don't invite you to dinner anymore. Maybe they are being antisemitic but it's an appropriate response to the aggression. There are plenty of other groups that people display negativity towards. Anti-women, anti trans, anti gay, anti-white men, anti-blacks, anti-immigrant, anti-Palestinian. Unless there is an actual real threat to life I don't want to hear about it and am extremely upset we are now involved in yet another war placing the DC area in danger.

Sorry, but Israel attacking Iran does not make American Jews the aggressor. And disliking American Jews is not an appropriate response to Israel’s actions. Disliking specific American Jews because they support Israel’s actions is one thing; declaring us all to be warmongers is another, and suggesting that we have a special responsibility to answer for another country’s policy is, too. Just because Netanyahu declares himself to be the king of the Jews doesn’t mean you need to agree with him.

DP. Americans are the aggressor. There is probably more anti-American sentiment today than last week.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:At some point, the consequences for the decisions of Israel are coming. Unfortunately for Jews, you will be exposed to the consequences for decisions you never made. Guess what? So will a lot of other people.

This is why the US should stop insulating Israel from the consequences of their decisions.

If left unchecked, Iran’s decades long investment in multiple terror groups around the world Hell bent on “death to America! Death to the West!” would have prompted the US and others to take action…likely following a major terror attack or based on troubling intel. It’s easy to blame Israel but it’s really not fair. I mean, where’s the rational thinking when it comes to assessing the threat posed by Iran? Forget WMD; simply evaluate them based on the bankrolling of multiple terror groups.

If Israel falls, why would you believe Iran or any of their terror groups in Gaza or Lebanon or Syria or elsewhere would stop there?

With the porous borders in the US and Europe over the last decade, why would anyone assume any terror threat is limited to Israel?

Iran posed no threat whatsoever to America. Israel should deal with the consequences of their disastrous policies itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish people always make everything about them

It stems from the whole framing of any event thru the lens of “is it good/bad for the Jews”

https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/04/is-it-good-for-the-jews/

Seems reasonable for American Jews to worry that a war in the Middle East started by Israel might be bad for the Jews, though?

American Jews are funding aipac. AIPAC is in return buying us politicians who whore themselves out.

A lot of white women and their white women followers now vocally supporting a war in Iran.

Zibby Owens - her dad a huge Trumpster
Samantha Ettus
Noa Tishby

Nobody is surprised. White women used their votes to vote for a pussy grabbing, misogynist, rapist. They’re used to picking the wrong team.

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American Jews are no more or less responsible for the actions of Israel than Muslim Americans are responsible for the actions of Hamas or Iran. But that goes both ways: you cannot state that Muslim Americans who stay silent on ME issues are effectively agreeing with those actions while arguing that it is antisemitic to assume American Jews who stay silent on Israel support Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:American Jews are no more or less responsible for the actions of Israel than Muslim Americans are responsible for the actions of Hamas or Iran. But that goes both ways: you cannot state that Muslim Americans who stay silent on ME issues are effectively agreeing with those actions while arguing that it is antisemitic to assume American Jews who stay silent on Israel support Israel.

I have no issue with that take.

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Anonymous wrote:For the record, I am both Iranian and Jewish and have faced far far FAR more bigotry and hate in my life for the latter, despite most people assuming I am Muslim when I tell them I’m Iranian.

If people presume you are Muslim, how do you reach the conclusion that the bigotry you experience is due to antisemitism?

Precisely because they assume I am Muslim, they often feel comfortable spewing vile antisemitic hatred in my presence. And when I do make my Jewish identity known or participate in Jewish communal life, the hatred is also there.