Any high school teachers here who can give some frank talk about which types of students get into the top colleges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Top colleges require:
1. Be foreign and willing to full-pay
2. Be connected to the current staff or a prominent person
3. Be a nationally-ranked something

My nephew who graduated with a crazy high GPA (4.5?) and very high SATs, and was a college great-but not top- left-handed baseball pitcher got into CalPoly and a couple of UCs, and the Coast Guard Academy - but no school that I would consider top. No Stanford. No Harvard. No Ivies at all.

Top colleges are need blind and are more selective for international students than for domestic ones

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Top colleges require:
1. Be foreign and willing to full-pay
2. Be connected to the current staff or a prominent person
3. Be a nationally-ranked something

My nephew who graduated with a crazy high GPA (4.5?) and very high SATs, and was a college great-but not top- left-handed baseball pitcher got into CalPoly and a couple of UCs, and the Coast Guard Academy - but no school that I would consider top. No Stanford. No Harvard. No Ivies at all.

Top colleges are need blind and are more selective for international students than for domestic ones

So weird that the top 10% students can't all get into the top 1% colleges. Must be some kind of conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard's discrimination against white and Asian students has been so pervasive over the past 20 years that I'm not sure they can pull back from their institutional racism so easily.

Harvard's pronouncements which vehemently denounced the ruling were a pretty big tell that they would not obey the ruling/constitution. At the very least they would do all that they could to continue to favor black applicants.
+1

You didn't read the ruling carefully, it clearly said, no race in consideration, but college can take into account for diversity background of students.

This X1000. UC admissions offices are the experts on how to not consider race while still achieving the racial diversity goals of the campus. Using proxy measures to grade diversity of backgrounds promoting and demoting based on parental education, parental language, parental income, etc is a big part of it. One AO pointed out that the traditional ECs of elected positions, captains, presidents, founding something new, award winning are not more impressive than a student who has to translate everything for their parents who don’t speak English as that shows responsibility.

It's a shame that they don't consider readiness for the school curriculum as a factor, and push these struggling young adults deeper into poverty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard's discrimination against white and Asian students has been so pervasive over the past 20 years that I'm not sure they can pull back from their institutional racism so easily.

Harvard's pronouncements which vehemently denounced the ruling were a pretty big tell that they would not obey the ruling/constitution. At the very least they would do all that they could to continue to favor black applicants.
+1

You didn't read the ruling carefully, it clearly said, no race in consideration, but college can take into account for diversity background of students.

This X1000. UC admissions offices are the experts on how to not consider race while still achieving the racial diversity goals of the campus. Using proxy measures to grade diversity of backgrounds promoting and demoting based on parental education, parental language, parental income, etc is a big part of it. One AO pointed out that the traditional ECs of elected positions, captains, presidents, founding something new, award winning are not more impressive than a student who has to translate everything for their parents who don’t speak English as that shows responsibility.

It's a shame that they don't consider readiness for the school curriculum as a factor, and push these struggling young adults deeper into poverty.

Why do you assume a student coming from an immigrant family is struggling academically or not ready for the curriculum?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard's discrimination against white and Asian students has been so pervasive over the past 20 years that I'm not sure they can pull back from their institutional racism so easily.

Harvard's pronouncements which vehemently denounced the ruling were a pretty big tell that they would not obey the ruling/constitution. At the very least they would do all that they could to continue to favor black applicants.
+1

You didn't read the ruling carefully, it clearly said, no race in consideration, but college can take into account for diversity background of students.

This X1000. UC admissions offices are the experts on how to not consider race while still achieving the racial diversity goals of the campus. Using proxy measures to grade diversity of backgrounds promoting and demoting based on parental education, parental language, parental income, etc is a big part of it. One AO pointed out that the traditional ECs of elected positions, captains, presidents, founding something new, award winning are not more impressive than a student who has to translate everything for their parents who don’t speak English as that shows responsibility.

It's a shame that they don't consider readiness for the school curriculum as a factor, and push these struggling young adults deeper into poverty.

Why do you assume a student coming from an immigrant family is struggling academically or not ready for the curriculum?

+100
At my kid’s California school, it’s the children of immigrants who are the MOST academically prepared.

[Anonymous]

Ivy:
Legacy, full pay, normal high achieving student
URM/first gen, normal high achieving student
Recruited athlete, normal high achieving student
Non-URM/first gen, absurdly high achieving students - those 0.01% ers that will the AMC, national level science and debate etc.

Top20:
The above but also non URM/first gen high achieving students, helps if full pay