Which University did the National Merit finalists go to

[Anonymous]

A ranking of schools that don't specifically give scholarships to NMF students, particularly per capita, might be meaningful. When listed with schools that are giving scholarships, it isn't very meaningful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A ranking of schools that don't specifically give scholarships to NMF students, particularly per capita, might be meaningful. When listed with schools that are giving scholarships, it isn't very meaningful.

+ 1 Took the words right out of my mouth! For instance, Vanderbilt, Emory, and Northeastern do; UVA, Michigan, ND do not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Only 45% of applicants submitted an SAT score to UVA. And of those 45% applicants, only 25% scored above 1520.

So only 1,770 UVA enrolled freshman bother to submit an SAT score and of that amount only 442 scored above 1520.

Keep in mind that NMSF cut off (selection index) for Virginia was 221 so only approximately 400-450 Virginians qualified for NMSF. A selection index of 221 is 1550 (+/-10 points).

Your NMSF will not get rejected from UVA assuming the GPA is in accord with the SAT score.

The chances that

Does applicant = enrolled freshman?

Based on common data set and SCHEV, those SAT scores are for enrolled freshmen, not just applicants.

Limited utility then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only 45% of applicants submitted an SAT score to UVA. And of those 45% applicants, only 25% scored above 1520.

So only 1,770 UVA enrolled freshman bother to submit an SAT score and of that amount only 442 scored above 1520.

Keep in mind that NMSF cut off (selection index) for Virginia was 221 so only approximately 400-450 Virginians qualified for NMSF. A selection index of 221 is 1550 (+/-10 points).

Your NMSF will not get rejected from UVA assuming the GPA is in accord with the SAT score.

The chances that

What are you talking about? You don't get NMSF based on SAT scores.

Are you dense? The poster provided the NMSF selection index for Virginia (which is based off of the PSAT) with what a corresponding SAT score is based on that PSAT score.

A 221 correlates with the following PSAT scores:

750 M 730 E = 1480 PSAT, correlates with 1540 SAT

730 M + 740 E = 1470 PSAT, correlates with 1530 SAT

710 M + 750 E = 1460 PSAT, correlates with 1520 SAT

690 M + 760 E = 1450 PSAT correlates with 1510 SAT

There is no combination that leads to a 221 selection index that correlates with 1550, and of course a selective index doesn't correlate with an SAT score at all, because they are calculated differently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With public colleges taken out:

1.USC
2.Vanderbilt
3.Harvard
4.MIT
5.Penn
6.Stanford
7.Yale
8.Princeton
9.Northeastern
10.Duke
11.BU
12.Columbia
13.Northwestern
14.Brown
15.Emory

#9 Northeastern
Haters are dying

Over 90 percent of Northeastern scholarships are from Northeastern itself, not NMSC. Northeastern has cleverly learned that this sort of investment elevates them on simplified lists like this, contributing to a sense of parity with aspirational peers. But unfortunately it’s fake.

Btw, USC and Vanderbilt doing something similar with over 80 percent of their scholarships coming from…themselves. Once you adjust for the “rent a scholar effect” this list looks like pretty much what already know: HYPSM.

Sure, offering merits and scholarships to attract top students is fake. Haters are going nuts.

[Anonymous]

I think the myth of the 1580 SAT, 4.0 not getting into a T-20 is busted. That SAT score is a hook which even Harvard has admitted. It doesn't guarantee one admission, but it does become another piece of "stand out" in the admission puzzle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Only 45% of applicants submitted an SAT score to UVA. And of those 45% applicants, only 25% scored above 1520.

So only 1,770 UVA enrolled freshman bother to submit an SAT score and of that amount only 442 scored above 1520.

Keep in mind that NMSF cut off (selection index) for Virginia was 221 so only approximately 400-450 Virginians qualified for NMSF. A selection index of 221 is 1550 (+/-10 points).

Your NMSF will not get rejected from UVA assuming the GPA is in accord with the SAT score.

The chances that

You have no idea what you're talking about. My daughter has a 223 index in VA. Her sat score is 1380. Her gpa and course rigor is excellent, but admission is not a done deal 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only 45% of applicants submitted an SAT score to UVA. And of those 45% applicants, only 25% scored above 1520.

So only 1,770 UVA enrolled freshman bother to submit an SAT score and of that amount only 442 scored above 1520.

Keep in mind that NMSF cut off (selection index) for Virginia was 221 so only approximately 400-450 Virginians qualified for NMSF. A selection index of 221 is 1550 (+/-10 points).

Your NMSF will not get rejected from UVA assuming the GPA is in accord with the SAT score.

The chances that

You have no idea what you're talking about. My daughter has a 223 index in VA. Her sat score is 1380. Her gpa and course rigor is excellent, but admission is not a done deal 🙄

Wow. She seriously underpeformed on the SAT. Do you know what happened?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The NMSF designation is one of the few merit-based things/signalers left.

But it's just a test score - shouldn't the SAT/ACT signal the same thing?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the myth of the 1580 SAT, 4.0 not getting into a T-20 is busted. That SAT score is a hook which even Harvard has admitted. It doesn't guarantee one admission, but it does become another piece of "stand out" in the admission puzzle.

Can you share your source on that? I don't believe it's accurate. Based on the Inside the Yale Admissions Office podcast, Yale really doesn't prioritize a 1580. They look at the SAT score for two seconds, and once a candidate is over the bar, the admissions officers care about other things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the myth of the 1580 SAT, 4.0 not getting into a T-20 is busted. That SAT score is a hook which even Harvard has admitted. It doesn't guarantee one admission, but it does become another piece of "stand out" in the admission puzzle.

Can you share your source on that? I don't believe it's accurate. Based on the Inside the Yale Admissions Office podcast, Yale really doesn't prioritize a 1580. They look at the SAT score for two seconds, and once a candidate is over the bar, the admissions officers care about other things.

Agreed. I think colleges should put more weight on standardized tests, particularly APs when available, because grade inflation is real and there is tremendous inconsistency about what counts as A work, even within a single school.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Alabama 323 [8,279 Freshmen, 3.9%]
2. Florida 297 [6,612 Freshmen 4.4%]
3. USC 262 [3,402 Freshmen, 7.7%]
4. Purdue 260 [9,353 Freshmen, 2.7%]
5. UT Dallas 232 [4,218 Freshmen, 5.5%]
6. Texas A&M 219 [12,419 Freshmen, 1.7%]
7. Vanderbilt 185 [1,624 Freshmen, 11.3%]
8. Harvard 160 [1,644 Freshmen, 9.7%]
9. MIT 154 [1,136 Freshmen, 13.5%]
10. Penn 147 [2,415 Freshmen, 6%]
11. UMD 144 [5,821 Freshmen, 2.5%]
12. Stanford 129 [1,733 Freshmen, 7.4%]
13. Yale 127 [1,554 Freshmen, 8%]
14. Princeton 116 [1,497 Freshmen, 7.7%]
15. Northeastern 97 [2,519 Freshmen, 3.9%]
16. Duke 94 [1,744 Freshmen, 5.3%]
17. UC Berkeley 93 [6,707 Freshmen, 1.4%]
18. Georgia Tech 90 [3,646 Freshmen, 2.5%]
19. UCF 85 [7,512 Freshmen, 1.1%]
20. UT Austin 85 [9,109 Freshmen, .9%]
21. Oklahoma 84
22. Minnesota 79
23. BU 77 [3,635 Freshmen, 2.1%]
24. UCLA 77 [6,461 Freshmen, 1.2%]
25. USF 77 [6,773 Freshmen, 1.1%]
26. Michigan 76 [7,050 Freshmen, 1%]
27. Columbia 75 [1,522 Freshmen, 4.9%]
28. Northwestern 75 [2,038 Freshmen, 3.7%]
29. Brown 69 [1,717 Freshmen, 4%]
30. Emory 67 [1,424 Freshmen, 4.7%]
31. Indiana 67 [9,736 Freshmen, .7%]
32. Arizona 65 [9,069 Freshmen, .7%]
33. Tufts 63 [1,694 Freshmen, 3.7%]
34. ASU 62 [10,022 Freshmen, .6%]
35. Georgia 60 [6,250 Freshmen, 1%]
36. BYU 59 [5,567 Freshmen, 1%]
37. Georgetown 56 [1,603 Freshmen, 3.5%]
38. Case Western 55 [1,553 Freshmen, 3.5%]
39. Cornell 54 [3,491 Freshmen, 1.5%]
40. Rice 51 [1,201 Freshmen, 4.3%]
41. Dartmouth 49 [1,124 Freshmen, 4.4%]
42. Michigan State 49 [9,829 Freshmen .5%]
43. Johns Hopkins 48 [1,406 Freshmen 3.4%]
44. UChicago 48 [2,053 Freshmen, 2.3%]
45. Carnegie Mellon 47 [1,716 Freshmen, 2.7%]
46. Clemson 45 [4,588 Freshmen, .99%]
47. Missouri 45 [4,983 Freshmen, .9%]
48. NYU 44 [6,184 Freshmen, .7%]
49. Miss State 43 [3,367 Freshmen, 1.2%]
50. Rutgers 43 [7,780 Freshmen, .5%]
51. UNC 40 [4,689 Freshmen, .8%]
52. Illinois 39 [8,297 Freshmen, .5%]
53. Oklahoma State 36 [4,643 Freshmen, .7%]
54. Iowa State 35
55. UVA 35 [4,020 Freshmen, .9%]

So much for only finding “intellectual equals” at expensive, selective privates.

Kids easily find their intellectual equals at all these schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

So much for only finding “intellectual equals” at expensive, selective privates.

Highest percentage (i.e. concentration) seems to be at expensive privates though 🤷‍♂️

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Alabama 323 [8,279 Freshmen, 3.9%]
2. Florida 297 [6,612 Freshmen 4.4%]
3. USC 262 [3,402 Freshmen, 7.7%]
4. Purdue 260 [9,353 Freshmen, 2.7%]
5. UT Dallas 232 [4,218 Freshmen, 5.5%]
6. Texas A&M 219 [12,419 Freshmen, 1.7%]
7. Vanderbilt 185 [1,624 Freshmen, 11.3%]
8. Harvard 160 [1,644 Freshmen, 9.7%]
9. MIT 154 [1,136 Freshmen, 13.5%]
10. Penn 147 [2,415 Freshmen, 6%]
11. UMD 144 [5,821 Freshmen, 2.5%]
12. Stanford 129 [1,733 Freshmen, 7.4%]
13. Yale 127 [1,554 Freshmen, 8%]
14. Princeton 116 [1,497 Freshmen, 7.7%]
15. Northeastern 97 [2,519 Freshmen, 3.9%]
16. Duke 94 [1,744 Freshmen, 5.3%]
17. UC Berkeley 93 [6,707 Freshmen, 1.4%]
18. Georgia Tech 90 [3,646 Freshmen, 2.5%]
19. UCF 85 [7,512 Freshmen, 1.1%]
20. UT Austin 85 [9,109 Freshmen, .9%]
21. Oklahoma 84
22. Minnesota 79
23. BU 77 [3,635 Freshmen, 2.1%]
24. UCLA 77 [6,461 Freshmen, 1.2%]
25. USF 77 [6,773 Freshmen, 1.1%]
26. Michigan 76 [7,050 Freshmen, 1%]
27. Columbia 75 [1,522 Freshmen, 4.9%]
28. Northwestern 75 [2,038 Freshmen, 3.7%]
29. Brown 69 [1,717 Freshmen, 4%]
30. Emory 67 [1,424 Freshmen, 4.7%]
31. Indiana 67 [9,736 Freshmen, .7%]
32. Arizona 65 [9,069 Freshmen, .7%]
33. Tufts 63 [1,694 Freshmen, 3.7%]
34. ASU 62 [10,022 Freshmen, .6%]
35. Georgia 60 [6,250 Freshmen, 1%]
36. BYU 59 [5,567 Freshmen, 1%]
37. Georgetown 56 [1,603 Freshmen, 3.5%]
38. Case Western 55 [1,553 Freshmen, 3.5%]
39. Cornell 54 [3,491 Freshmen, 1.5%]
40. Rice 51 [1,201 Freshmen, 4.3%]
41. Dartmouth 49 [1,124 Freshmen, 4.4%]
42. Michigan State 49 [9,829 Freshmen .5%]
43. Johns Hopkins 48 [1,406 Freshmen 3.4%]
44. UChicago 48 [2,053 Freshmen, 2.3%]
45. Carnegie Mellon 47 [1,716 Freshmen, 2.7%]
46. Clemson 45 [4,588 Freshmen, .99%]
47. Missouri 45 [4,983 Freshmen, .9%]
48. NYU 44 [6,184 Freshmen, .7%]
49. Miss State 43 [3,367 Freshmen, 1.2%]
50. Rutgers 43 [7,780 Freshmen, .5%]
51. UNC 40 [4,689 Freshmen, .8%]
52. Illinois 39 [8,297 Freshmen, .5%]
53. Oklahoma State 36 [4,643 Freshmen, .7%]
54. Iowa State 35
55. UVA 35 [4,020 Freshmen, .9%]

So much for only finding “intellectual equals” at expensive, selective privates.

This is nonsensical. Clearly if you attend a school like MIT where the average SAT score is a 1570…you basically will run into your intellectual equal all the time in every class vs Alabama where the average is 1200.

At Alabama is you are a NMSF, you don’t really see the 1200 kids. Different dorms, different classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only 45% of applicants submitted an SAT score to UVA. And of those 45% applicants, only 25% scored above 1520.

So only 1,770 UVA enrolled freshman bother to submit an SAT score and of that amount only 442 scored above 1520.

Keep in mind that NMSF cut off (selection index) for Virginia was 221 so only approximately 400-450 Virginians qualified for NMSF. A selection index of 221 is 1550 (+/-10 points).

Your NMSF will not get rejected from UVA assuming the GPA is in accord with the SAT score.

The chances that

You have no idea what you're talking about. My daughter has a 223 index in VA. Her sat score is 1380. Her gpa and course rigor is excellent, but admission is not a done deal 🙄

Ok…it’s correct that your SAT score is way more important.

I think PP assumed your kid did the equivalent or better on the SAT.

It’s exceptionally rare to underperform on the SAT compared to such a high PSAT score.