The FBI has *ARRESTED* a sitting judge in Milwaukee, over allegations it obstructed immigration enforcement.

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Anonymous wrote:Is a judge immune from an obstruction charge if there’s an articulable case to be made they were obstructing?

Or immune from ANY law, for that matter, by virtue of being a judge?

Could a judge be arrested for DUI? Or assault? Or tax evasion?

If yes, then aren’t those also authoritarianism, too?


Democrats are getting too far out over their skis here on this stuff.


Ok, so you are not getting it. She was arrested for adjudicating a case. Not hiding someone in her basement.


Oh, I “GET” exactly what happened here. A sitting judge assisted a person subject to compliance with a lawful order and helped that person evade custody.

If you or I did such a thing for a person subject to an order from the judge, this same judge would lock us up for it.

This is what I meant about getting too far out over our skis. Stuff like this is HORRIBLE for making claims of authoritarianism, because as soon as you look into it beyond a headline, it falls apart. Then Dems look like the boy who cried wolf.


DP. No. ICE did not have an arrest warrant from a judge. They just had an administrative warrant similar to a subpoena. They can wait outside like everyone else, and the judge does not have to allow them entry.

Arresting immigrants at courthouses is bad policy, as most everyone already knows. Trump doesn't care about policy because he doesn't think long term, when something goes wrong he blames someone else and quits/declares bankruptcy/sure. That's not working well for him in negotiating peace or in these taritf "negotiations" and it won't go well for him here.



To everyone else reading this who is NOT an officer of the court, it comes off as a judge holding the front door shut while allowing a criminal to escape custody out the back door. Because that’s exactly what it is.

This is exactly the stuff Dems shouldn’t be citing, because it’s a sham. People see right through it, and it gives credibility to R’s when they levy accusations against Dems that Dems support illegal immigration.

Why give them useful weapons to use against us?


You are an idiot. This is the FBI arresting a judge for doing their job. Next you people will arrest a judge because they rule against you. This is unprecedented and unconstitutional.


NP. My understanding is the judge is alleged to have willfully misdirected officers trying to make an arrest.

Is the allegation true? Perhaps not, but that remains to be seen. If true it’s not really the case the judge was just “doing their job.”

I agree with the poster that overreacting to the arrest before the facts are known makes it harder to reach the people who need to hear that the executive branch is overreaching in other areas. This may or may not be an example of an overreach.

Hysteria on the left is the fuel driving insanity on the right.



The problem is the Trump administration lies.


That’s certainly true. I’d even say it’s true to a degree greater than we’ve ever seen before (though Trump 45 came close!). But assuming every claim made on behalf of the executive branch, including the DoJ, is a lie is a losing strategy that will backfire spectacularly.


DP. By lying about everything, that has already backfired spectacularly on Trump. The Supreme Court has noticed that this administration deserves no presumption of regularity because they do not operate with any regularity. Which is why Trump lost 9-0.

Oops.


If you think a sensible takeaway from that one ruling is to automatically assume every single arrest made by the FBI is now based on falsehoods and would rather they suspend operations til the next election, you are absolutely helping to make MAGA’s case for them. I get that you’re frustrated but reason is more effective than anger.


DP yes every FBI arrest and evidence should not be believed or trusted. They have zero credibility and are operating outside the law. It is beyond reason that you can not see that. The FBI are the brownshirts for the Republican Party.


MAGA loves it when rabid contempt of Trump leads to extreme sound bites and opposition turning on itself. You are literally going after an ally just because I think there’s a POSSIBILITY the DoJ might still do some things right and we need to let this play out to find out the facts. Dugan needs to be assumed innocent like everyone else charged with a crime, but that doesn’t mean the charges are wrong. I do however think they should’ve asked her to turn herself in rather than go to her courthouse; they clearly wanted to make a show of it. That sucks, but it does not mean she didn’t commit a crime. Trump is not above the law, but neither is she.
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The judge’s motivation reasonably could be interpreted that she didn’t want a disturbance immediately outside the public entry to her courtroom, knowing that the agents would arrest their target in the public areas he had to leave by
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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing. The FBI ignores Signal gate but arrest judges.


What is the normal process for violating a security clearance? I've never had one so I don't know what normally happens.


In the matter of Signalgate, given the disclosure that out warfighters in harms way, treason could be alleged given the unsecure communication.
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Anonymous wrote:The judge’s motivation reasonably could be interpreted that she didn’t want a disturbance immediately outside the public entry to her courtroom, knowing that the agents would arrest their target in the public areas he had to leave by


I'm pretty sure the judge has better ways to go about turning over an illegal that would cause zero commotion.
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See, this is why Dems' and the medias' reputations are in the toilet. They're going on and on about Trump arresting a judge! Trying to make it sound like she got arrested for ruling in favor in the migrant. In reality is that she allegedly hid an illegal from ICE in her office and misdirected ICE away from a lawful arrest. That IS absolutely obstruction.

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ICE did not have a legitimate warrant. The charges will be dismissed.
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Anonymous wrote:The judge’s motivation reasonably could be interpreted that she didn’t want a disturbance immediately outside the public entry to her courtroom, knowing that the agents would arrest their target in the public areas he had to leave by


I'm pretty sure the judge has better ways to go about turning over an illegal that would cause zero commotion.



That isn’t her job and in fact would violate the separation of powers. Maybe ICE has better ways of apprehending people than disrupting court activities?
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Anonymous wrote:The judge’s motivation reasonably could be interpreted that she didn’t want a disturbance immediately outside the public entry to her courtroom, knowing that the agents would arrest their target in the public areas he had to leave by


The two victims were in court prepared to testify.

There is no justification for this.
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Anonymous wrote:See, this is why Dems' and the medias' reputations are in the toilet. They're going on and on about Trump arresting a judge! Trying to make it sound like she got arrested for ruling in favor in the migrant. In reality is that she allegedly hid an illegal from ICE in her office and misdirected ICE away from a lawful arrest. That IS absolutely obstruction.



That isn’t what happened if you actually read the complaint. She didn’t hide anyone. So as to not disrupt her courtroom, which she has full purview over, she had the defendant go through a side door to the hallway. ICE could have taken him in the hall- they admitted seeing him there, but didn’t, opting to make this move to arrest the judge. It is all a show and highly dangerous for our republic.
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Anonymous wrote:Seems ICE had no warrant or at most an administrative but not judicial warrant

Dugan was protecting her courtroom and the integrity of judiciary against predatory incursions (pun intended) of ICE.



You don’t need a warrant if it’s a public place.
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Anonymous wrote:The judge’s motivation reasonably could be interpreted that she didn’t want a disturbance immediately outside the public entry to her courtroom, knowing that the agents would arrest their target in the public areas he had to leave by


I'm pretty sure the judge has better ways to go about turning over an illegal that would cause zero commotion.



That isn’t her job and in fact would violate the separation of powers. Maybe ICE has better ways of apprehending people than disrupting court activities?


Her job was to listen to the testimony of the victims in her court not to interrupt a lawful arrest afterwards.
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Anonymous wrote:Good, these rogue liberal judges are destroying America


Thankfully she and the New Mexico judge who harbored a TDA gang member are in jail.


This judge was wrongfully arrested by the FBI and all of this is going to go very badly for them. If they had a director with a brain, they wouldn't have done it. Instead they have Kash Patel who lives in Las Vegas in charge.
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Anonymous wrote:Good, these rogue liberal judges are destroying America


Thankfully she and the New Mexico judge who harbored a TDA gang member are in jail.


This judge was wrongfully arrested by the FBI and all of this is going to go very badly for them. If they had a director with a brain, they wouldn't have done it. Instead they have Kash Patel who lives in Las Vegas in charge.


lol if you think a judge is getting away with secreting a fugitive out the back door instead of running her courtroom as she is paid to do, I have a bridge to sell you.
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Anonymous wrote:ICE did not have a legitimate warrant. The charges will be dismissed.


Sure they did, it was dated 17 April and is in the court documents.
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Whatever happened, ICE should not be arresting people outside the courthouse. Just arrest him somewhere else.
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