30yrs ago, children could read better

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Anonymous wrote:That’s because teaching a 5 year old to read is basically developmentally inappropriate. Kinder is early childhood education and children learn best through play.

I agree, we should tech them Phonics and reading at age 3 instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Frightening article in the NYT today -

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/29/us/reading-skills-naep.html#commentsContainer

It’s all because of immigration. Import the third world, become the third world.

But the immigrants are doing very well in education. All the Asian-Americans are just exceptional students who have better English scores in all the standardized tests than...White and Black Americans who have lived here for more than 2 generations. Why is that?

They have parents who care and prioritize their education and enrichment. The secret sauce in Asian-American academic success is their culture and family. They are hard workers and believe in improving themselves. What other explanation is there for children of non-native English speakers, excelling in English comprehension and creative writing? They have educated themselves. In fact, most of these kids also excel in elocution. You see them excel in debate, poetry slams, speech etc.

Yes. Check out the National Spelling Bee line up or and computer science competition

No they don’t excel in poetry slams compared to Black Americans and White Americans. Black teens dominate poetry slams. They do excel at spelling bees but most Americans see those as a huge waste of time.

Debate is new to some Asian countries while some still don’t teach debate at all. It’s a positive step towards removing Asian stereotypes that they are just good at repeating what they have learned or memorized.

Who the hell cares who “dominates poetry slams?” And only dumb Americans see spelling bees as a “huge waste of time.”

The person who claimed Asian immigrants dominate poetry slams cares. And if Asian immigrants want their kids to be so narrow in their learning, revolving around math, science and spelling that’s fine. It doesn’t mean Americans are dumb for not wanting to memorize the dictionary and countries of origin.

Can you tell us one academic subject that Americans dominate or do better than Asians?

Government and Economics

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Anonymous wrote:40 years ago half the kids went to school already knowing how to read. There’s nothing developmentally inappropriate about reading. That’s a cop out used by millennial parents to justify their kid being behind.

So you’re a PhD in Early Childhood Education now?

Cite your sources or stop talking out your butt.

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Anonymous wrote:Frightening article in the NYT today -

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/29/us/reading-skills-naep.html#commentsContainer

It’s all because of immigration. Import the third world, become the third world.

But the immigrants are doing very well in education. All the Asian-Americans are just exceptional students who have better English scores in all the standardized tests than...White and Black Americans who have lived here for more than 2 generations. Why is that?

They have parents who care and prioritize their education and enrichment. The secret sauce in Asian-American academic success is their culture and family. They are hard workers and believe in improving themselves. What other explanation is there for children of non-native English speakers, excelling in English comprehension and creative writing? They have educated themselves. In fact, most of these kids also excel in elocution. You see them excel in debate, poetry slams, speech etc.

Yes. Check out the National Spelling Bee line up or and computer science competition

No they don’t excel in poetry slams compared to Black Americans and White Americans. Black teens dominate poetry slams. They do excel at spelling bees but most Americans see those as a huge waste of time.

Debate is new to some Asian countries while some still don’t teach debate at all. It’s a positive step towards removing Asian stereotypes that they are just good at repeating what they have learned or memorized.

Who the hell cares who “dominates poetry slams?” And only dumb Americans see spelling bees as a “huge waste of time.”

The person who claimed Asian immigrants dominate poetry slams cares. And if Asian immigrants want their kids to be so narrow in their learning, revolving around math, science and spelling that’s fine. It doesn’t mean Americans are dumb for not wanting to memorize the dictionary and countries of origin.

Can you tell us one academic subject that Americans dominate or do better than Asians?

I dont think Americans would accept an Asian style education system. In Japan the school year is 240 days (but what about vacation!?). Japan also has a national curriculum and here we are getting rid of the dept of education. Kids go to school on Saturday (what about youth sports?). There is also lots of emphasis on standardizes exams.

In Korea students spend btwn 12 to 16 hours in school and in after school academies. 220 days of school a year and many kids attentd Hagwons diring vacation (academic academies) It is also very test focused and comes with a high rate of teen suicide. Korea also has a national curriculum.

American could not handle the education system of many Asian countries. We complain because winter break is not a full two weeks here!

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Anonymous wrote:Frightening article in the NYT today -

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/29/us/reading-skills-naep.html#commentsContainer

It’s all because of immigration. Import the third world, become the third world.

But the immigrants are doing very well in education. All the Asian-Americans are just exceptional students who have better English scores in all the standardized tests than...White and Black Americans who have lived here for more than 2 generations. Why is that?

They have parents who care and prioritize their education and enrichment. The secret sauce in Asian-American academic success is their culture and family. They are hard workers and believe in improving themselves. What other explanation is there for children of non-native English speakers, excelling in English comprehension and creative writing? They have educated themselves. In fact, most of these kids also excel in elocution. You see them excel in debate, poetry slams, speech etc.

Yes. Check out the National Spelling Bee line up or and computer science competition

No they don’t excel in poetry slams compared to Black Americans and White Americans. Black teens dominate poetry slams. They do excel at spelling bees but most Americans see those as a huge waste of time.

Debate is new to some Asian countries while some still don’t teach debate at all. It’s a positive step towards removing Asian stereotypes that they are just good at repeating what they have learned or memorized.

Who the hell cares who “dominates poetry slams?” And only dumb Americans see spelling bees as a “huge waste of time.”

The person who claimed Asian immigrants dominate poetry slams cares. And if Asian immigrants want their kids to be so narrow in their learning, revolving around math, science and spelling that’s fine. It doesn’t mean Americans are dumb for not wanting to memorize the dictionary and countries of origin.

Can you tell us one academic subject that Americans dominate or do better than Asians?

I dont think Americans would accept an Asian style education system. In Japan the school year is 240 days (but what about vacation!?). Japan also has a national curriculum and here we are getting rid of the dept of education. Kids go to school on Saturday (what about youth sports?). There is also lots of emphasis on standardizes exams.

In Korea students spend btwn 12 to 16 hours in school and in after school academies. 220 days of school a year and many kids attentd Hagwons diring vacation (academic academies) It is also very test focused and comes with a high rate of teen suicide. Korea also has a national curriculum.

American could not handle the education system of many Asian countries. We complain because winter break is not a full two weeks here!

Many parents here don’t care about education. There kids miss many school days. There is no help or reinforcement at home. School is just a place they plop their kids so they don’t have to deal with them during the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Frightening article in the NYT today -

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/29/us/reading-skills-naep.html#commentsContainer

It’s all because of immigration. Import the third world, become the third world.

But the immigrants are doing very well in education. All the Asian-Americans are just exceptional students who have better English scores in all the standardized tests than...White and Black Americans who have lived here for more than 2 generations. Why is that?

They have parents who care and prioritize their education and enrichment. The secret sauce in Asian-American academic success is their culture and family. They are hard workers and believe in improving themselves. What other explanation is there for children of non-native English speakers, excelling in English comprehension and creative writing? They have educated themselves. In fact, most of these kids also excel in elocution. You see them excel in debate, poetry slams, speech etc.

Yes. Check out the National Spelling Bee line up or and computer science competition

No they don’t excel in poetry slams compared to Black Americans and White Americans. Black teens dominate poetry slams. They do excel at spelling bees but most Americans see those as a huge waste of time.

Debate is new to some Asian countries while some still don’t teach debate at all. It’s a positive step towards removing Asian stereotypes that they are just good at repeating what they have learned or memorized.

Who the hell cares who “dominates poetry slams?” And only dumb Americans see spelling bees as a “huge waste of time.”

The person who claimed Asian immigrants dominate poetry slams cares. And if Asian immigrants want their kids to be so narrow in their learning, revolving around math, science and spelling that’s fine. It doesn’t mean Americans are dumb for not wanting to memorize the dictionary and countries of origin.

Can you tell us one academic subject that Americans dominate or do better than Asians?

I dont think Americans would accept an Asian style education system. In Japan the school year is 240 days (but what about vacation!?). Japan also has a national curriculum and here we are getting rid of the dept of education. Kids go to school on Saturday (what about youth sports?). There is also lots of emphasis on standardizes exams.

In Korea students spend btwn 12 to 16 hours in school and in after school academies. 220 days of school a year and many kids attentd Hagwons diring vacation (academic academies) It is also very test focused and comes with a high rate of teen suicide. Korea also has a national curriculum.

American could not handle the education system of many Asian countries. We complain because winter break is not a full two weeks here!

Many parents here don’t care about education. There kids miss many school days. There is no help or reinforcement at home. School is just a place they plop their kids so they don’t have to deal with them during the day.

Well why should they when high education is constantly demonized? When many positions requiring a lot of education dont pay very well. When costs of a high education means it is out of reach for many?

There are many problems with our education system and it would take a huge cultural shift to change.

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Anonymous wrote:Frightening article in the NYT today -

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/29/us/reading-skills-naep.html#commentsContainer

It’s all because of immigration. Import the third world, become the third world.

But the immigrants are doing very well in education. All the Asian-Americans are just exceptional students who have better English scores in all the standardized tests than...White and Black Americans who have lived here for more than 2 generations. Why is that?

They have parents who care and prioritize their education and enrichment. The secret sauce in Asian-American academic success is their culture and family. They are hard workers and believe in improving themselves. What other explanation is there for children of non-native English speakers, excelling in English comprehension and creative writing? They have educated themselves. In fact, most of these kids also excel in elocution. You see them excel in debate, poetry slams, speech etc.

Yes. Check out the National Spelling Bee line up or and computer science competition

No they don’t excel in poetry slams compared to Black Americans and White Americans. Black teens dominate poetry slams. They do excel at spelling bees but most Americans see those as a huge waste of time.

Debate is new to some Asian countries while some still don’t teach debate at all. It’s a positive step towards removing Asian stereotypes that they are just good at repeating what they have learned or memorized.

Who the hell cares who “dominates poetry slams?” And only dumb Americans see spelling bees as a “huge waste of time.”

The person who claimed Asian immigrants dominate poetry slams cares. And if Asian immigrants want their kids to be so narrow in their learning, revolving around math, science and spelling that’s fine. It doesn’t mean Americans are dumb for not wanting to memorize the dictionary and countries of origin.

Can you tell us one academic subject that Americans dominate or do better than Asians?

Do you mean White and Black Americans vs Asian Americans? Asian students are usually Americans but have immigrant parents or grandparents. They are handpicked to become citizens while most students are just born here. Culturally there is a huge difference between Asian countries and America.

Anything not related to STEM is dominated by Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Frightening article in the NYT today -

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/29/us/reading-skills-naep.html#commentsContainer

It’s all because of immigration. Import the third world, become the third world.

But the immigrants are doing very well in education. All the Asian-Americans are just exceptional students who have better English scores in all the standardized tests than...White and Black Americans who have lived here for more than 2 generations. Why is that?

They have parents who care and prioritize their education and enrichment. The secret sauce in Asian-American academic success is their culture and family. They are hard workers and believe in improving themselves. What other explanation is there for children of non-native English speakers, excelling in English comprehension and creative writing? They have educated themselves. In fact, most of these kids also excel in elocution. You see them excel in debate, poetry slams, speech etc.

Yes. Check out the National Spelling Bee line up or and computer science competition

No they don’t excel in poetry slams compared to Black Americans and White Americans. Black teens dominate poetry slams. They do excel at spelling bees but most Americans see those as a huge waste of time.

Debate is new to some Asian countries while some still don’t teach debate at all. It’s a positive step towards removing Asian stereotypes that they are just good at repeating what they have learned or memorized.

Who the hell cares who “dominates poetry slams?” And only dumb Americans see spelling bees as a “huge waste of time.”

The person who claimed Asian immigrants dominate poetry slams cares. And if Asian immigrants want their kids to be so narrow in their learning, revolving around math, science and spelling that’s fine. It doesn’t mean Americans are dumb for not wanting to memorize the dictionary and countries of origin.

Can you tell us one academic subject that Americans dominate or do better than Asians?

I dont think Americans would accept an Asian style education system. In Japan the school year is 240 days (but what about vacation!?). Japan also has a national curriculum and here we are getting rid of the dept of education. Kids go to school on Saturday (what about youth sports?). There is also lots of emphasis on standardizes exams.

In Korea students spend btwn 12 to 16 hours in school and in after school academies. 220 days of school a year and many kids attentd Hagwons diring vacation (academic academies) It is also very test focused and comes with a high rate of teen suicide. Korea also has a national curriculum.

American could not handle the education system of many Asian countries. We complain because winter break is not a full two weeks here!

China is a communist country that appears to have an excellent education system. Yet about 33% of citizens work in factories and many are in the service industry. They claim to have eliminated poverty but 67% of the wealth is held by the top 10% of the population. And only half of the students move on to high school.

In China they have a high school entrance exam which is designed to result in about a 50% failure rate, meaning only about half of middle school graduates are allowed to go high school. At 14 or 15 years old half of Chinese students have to drop out or learn a trade. That means only the top half of students take these tests that compare their students to countries around the world. So if the US only allowed the top 50% of students to take these tests they would probably come out on top.

Don’t be so impressed with Asian schools. Our schools are superior. Canada has even better schools.

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30 years ago we didn't take 25% of instructional time for assessments and 50% of teacher collaboration time for data analysis.

We also had certified librarians in most schools 30 years ago.

If you don't think replacing instruction with testing has had a negative impact on learning, well...

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Kids did everything better 30 years ago right? Lower rates of obesity, diseases like diabetes, fewer allergies, and lower rates of child suicide.

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As a child of Asian descent who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I find it kind of funny that all the time the US has spent mocking and villifying East Asians has backfired. I remember the decades of white Americans talking about how Asians aren’t creative, can’t think, drills are bad, memorization is terrible, and kids and people should be free to be and do whatever, (along with lots of stereotypes about nerdy and boring studious Asians in the media, tv shows and films).

As it turns out, kids do need to memorize some facts. There ARE some right and wrong answers! Things are slowly changing and the pendulum is swinging back a bit, but my kid is still suffering the effects of self esteem culture and anti-Asian/pro-ed-tech education. I think it is crazy that my kid’s teachers are saying there is no wrong way to spell (brave spelling!) and there is no such thing as a wrong math answer. 2+2 is 4. We SHOULD be telling a 6 year old that 2+2=5 is wrong. It won’t crush his sense of self worth.

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Parents are powerless at getting technology away from our kids. Kindergarteners get stuck on chrome books from day 1. I'm not opposed to technology, but my kids didn't have screen time prior to this (except for family movie nights or ipads on airplanes). I taught all my kids to read at 4, but once they entered K and Lucy Caulkins "guessing" words started, they forgot the phonics I taught them. Their reading regressed in K.

Please someone take away the tech. Bring back whiteboards and get rid of these tech boards the teachers use. Kindergarters now have the huge screen reading to them instead of the teacher! It's really sad. And get rid of personal chrome books for kids.

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Anonymous wrote:As a child of Asian descent who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I find it kind of funny that all the time the US has spent mocking and villifying East Asians has backfired. I remember the decades of white Americans talking about how Asians aren’t creative, can’t think, drills are bad, memorization is terrible, and kids and people should be free to be and do whatever, (along with lots of stereotypes about nerdy and boring studious Asians in the media, tv shows and films).

As it turns out, kids do need to memorize some facts. There ARE some right and wrong answers! Things are slowly changing and the pendulum is swinging back a bit, but my kid is still suffering the effects of self esteem culture and anti-Asian/pro-ed-tech education. I think it is crazy that my kid’s teachers are saying there is no wrong way to spell (brave spelling!) and there is no such thing as a wrong math answer. 2+2 is 4. We SHOULD be telling a 6 year old that 2+2=5 is wrong. It won’t crush his sense of self worth.

Sorry you felt that way. Dh and I are white and had memorization drilled into us. We drill our children with flash cards as well. We play A LOT of games with the kids and one of our favorite parts is letting them lose. Kids have zero idea of how to lose these days. They aren't graded in school, their soccer teams don't keep score and shake hands at the end.

I love creativity, but math, reading, and spelling are not creative endeavors.

If Trump can do anything, can he please bring charter schools? I'd love to pick a strong, pro academics school for my kids.

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Anonymous wrote:As a child of Asian descent who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I find it kind of funny that all the time the US has spent mocking and villifying East Asians has backfired. I remember the decades of white Americans talking about how Asians aren’t creative, can’t think, drills are bad, memorization is terrible, and kids and people should be free to be and do whatever, (along with lots of stereotypes about nerdy and boring studious Asians in the media, tv shows and films).

As it turns out, kids do need to memorize some facts. There ARE some right and wrong answers! Things are slowly changing and the pendulum is swinging back a bit, but my kid is still suffering the effects of self esteem culture and anti-Asian/pro-ed-tech education. I think it is crazy that my kid’s teachers are saying there is no wrong way to spell (brave spelling!) and there is no such thing as a wrong math answer. 2+2 is 4. We SHOULD be telling a 6 year old that 2+2=5 is wrong. It won’t crush his sense of self worth.

Sorry you felt that way. Dh and I are white and had memorization drilled into us. We drill our children with flash cards as well. We play A LOT of games with the kids and one of our favorite parts is letting them lose. Kids have zero idea of how to lose these days. They aren't graded in school, their soccer teams don't keep score and shake hands at the end.

I love creativity, but math, reading, and spelling are not creative endeavors.

If Trump can do anything, can he please bring charter schools? I'd love to pick a strong, pro academics school for my kids.

Math is not creative?? Advanced math involves creativity and creative thinking, but you have to master the basics first.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents are powerless at getting technology away from our kids. Kindergarteners get stuck on chrome books from day 1. I'm not opposed to technology, but my kids didn't have screen time prior to this (except for family movie nights or ipads on airplanes). I taught all my kids to read at 4, but once they entered K and Lucy Caulkins "guessing" words started, they forgot the phonics I taught them. Their reading regressed in K.

Please someone take away the tech. Bring back whiteboards and get rid of these tech boards the teachers use. Kindergarters now have the huge screen reading to them instead of the teacher! It's really sad. And get rid of personal chrome books for kids.

Yes to all of this. Kids don't "need" to use digital tech regularly in school until middle school, and even then I don't think they need 1-on-1 where they are attached to a Chromebook all day for every class. I don't know why my K son has an iPad given to him at school when I don't even use one as an adult. We restrict screens to basically zero at home, but he gets so much at school.