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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Frightening article in the NYT today -

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/29/us/reading-skills-naep.html#commentsContainer[/quote]

It’s all because of immigration. Import the third world, become the third world.[/quote]

But the immigrants are doing very well in education.  All the Asian-Americans are just exceptional students who have better English scores in all the standardized tests than...White and Black Americans who have lived here for more than 2 generations. Why is that? [/quote]

They have parents who care and prioritize their education and enrichment.  The secret sauce in Asian-American academic success is their culture and family.  They are hard workers and believe in improving themselves. What other explanation is there for children of non-native English speakers, excelling in English comprehension and creative writing?  They have educated themselves.   In fact, most of these kids also excel in elocution. You see them excel in debate, poetry slams, speech etc. [/quote]

Yes.  Check out the National Spelling Bee line up or and computer science competition [/quote]

No they don’t excel in poetry slams compared to Black Americans and White Americans. Black teens dominate poetry slams. They do excel at spelling bees but most Americans see those as a huge waste of time.

Debate is new to some Asian countries while some still don’t teach debate at all.   It’s a positive step towards removing Asian stereotypes that they are just good at repeating what they have learned or memorized.

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Who the hell cares who “dominates poetry slams?” And only dumb Americans see spelling bees as a “huge waste of time.”[/quote]

The person who claimed Asian immigrants dominate poetry slams cares.  And if Asian immigrants want their kids to be so narrow in their learning, revolving around math, science and spelling that’s fine.  It doesn’t mean Americans are dumb for not wanting to memorize the dictionary and countries of origin.  [/quote]

Can you tell us one academic subject that Americans dominate or do better than Asians?  [/quote]

I dont think Americans would accept an Asian style education system. In Japan the school year is 240 days (but what about vacation!?). Japan also has a national curriculum and here we are getting rid of the dept of education. Kids go to school on Saturday (what about youth sports?). There is also lots of emphasis on standardizes exams.

In Korea students spend btwn 12 to 16 hours in school and in after school academies. 220 days of school a year and many kids attentd Hagwons diring vacation (academic academies) It is also very test focused and comes with a high rate of teen suicide. Korea also has a national curriculum.

American could not handle the education system of many Asian countries. We complain because winter break is not a full two weeks here! 
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China is a communist country that appears to have an excellent education system.  Yet about 33% of citizens work in factories and many are in the service industry.   They claim to have eliminated poverty but 67% of the wealth is held by the top 10% of the population.  And only half of the students move on to high school.

In China they have a high school entrance exam which is designed to result in about a 50% failure rate, meaning only about half of middle school graduates are allowed to go high school.  At 14 or 15 years old half of Chinese students have to drop out or learn a trade.  That means only the top half of students take these tests that compare their students to countries around the world.  So if the US only allowed the top 50% of students to take these tests they would probably come out on top.

Don’t be so impressed with Asian schools.  Our schools are superior.  Canada has even better schools. 
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