CIA is now publicly lending credence to COVID19 lab leak theory

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:States confidence level in a lab leak is "low" meaning evidence is weak and even self-contradictory.

This is pretty far from definitive and seems to have been put out just to satisfy MAGA with a bogus "own the libs" moment without actual sound data behind it.

Perhaps, but remember the leading theory in the MAGAverse back in 2020 wasn't that it leaked from a lab. It was that the Chinese Communist Party did it on purpose or some such conspiracy nonsense. For some reason the left conflated the two and considered the lab leak hypothesis to be "fake news," which is unfortunate. No, it wasn't Fauci's fault either.

Trump suspected a lab leak so the liberal media reflexively insisted it must have been from nature and companies like Facebook began suppressing the debate. It was pure politics.

Perhaps that's because Trump has a long long documented history of just making things up. Shouldn't be any surprise that the media doesn't trust what he says, so how can anyone blame them for being skeptical?

A sane person would consider that the way for the Trump administration to fix this credibility and skepticism issue would be to stop lying and making things up and to stick to facts, but here we are in the Trump post-truth era where facts don't matter. So they only have themselves to blame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remeber when the scientific community and people on the left said that even the mere suggestion that COVID escaped from a lab in China was "anti-science" and conspiracy nonsense? Well, well, well:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/cia-now-favors-lab-leak-theory-on-origins-of-covid-19-eff4e67c

This is now after the Biden Administration opened up extensive investigations into the lab leak theory and the New York Times ran a long piece putting together a very plausible story.

I know the immediate response will be, "How does this change anything?". Well, for starters, it greatly damages the reputation of the scientific community going forward. Remember when top publications like Science and Nature were trying to downplay the possibility of a lab leak? The entire scientific community has been outed as being entirely susceptible to dangerous group think that clearly has a political agenda injected into it. The truth and being transparent do not matter. This should also have severe consequences for China. I mean if country causes the worst manmade disaster in human history that caused millions of deaths, including 1.2M of our own citizens, and trillions of dollars in economic damage, shouldn't they face severe repercussions?

Thank you, OP. DEMOCRATS tried to HIDE the TRUTH. President Trump ORDERED the RELEASE of this report that DEMOCRATS tried to keep SECRET.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

Shi, a virologist who is often called China’s “bat woman” by her colleagues because of her virus-hunting expeditions in bat caves over the past 16 years, walked out of the conference she was attending in Shanghai and hopped on the next train back to Wuhan. “I wondered if [the municipal health authority] got it wrong,” she says. “I had never expected this kind of thing to happen in Wuhan, in central China.” Her studies had shown that the southern, subtropical provinces of Guangdong, Guangxi and Yunnan have the greatest risk of coronaviruses jumping to humans from animals—particularly bats, a known reservoir. If coronaviruses were the culprit, she remembers thinking, “Could they have come from our lab?”

If this is indeed fact, much respect for Shi's candid honesty.

Shi later indicated that it was not one of her viruses. She had one specific coronavirus strain that was a close match but still determined to have likely split from COVID early in an evolutionary line - earlier than she obtained it. She gets her viruses by capturing bats in caves.

Great, very in depth article on Shi's work and exploring the lab leak vs. bat cave theories from MIT Technology Review.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/02/09/1044985/shi-zhengli-covid-lab-leak-wuhan/

[Anonymous]

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Trump suspected a lab leak so the liberal media reflexively insisted it must have been from nature and companies like Facebook began suppressing the debate. It was pure politics.

No Fauci was pushing for a conclusion of nature, because he helped fund the lab.

[Anonymous]

Trump has ordered the military to reinstate everyone who Biden fired for refusing a vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Also, the Furin cleavage site has not been determined to necessarily be lab made -

See Lancet article.

It's still up for debate.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(23)00144-1/fulltext

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump has ordered the military to reinstate everyone who Biden fired for refusing a vaccine.

With full back pay and benefits, all 8,000 of them who evil Democrats fired.

MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Trump suspected a lab leak so the liberal media reflexively insisted it must have been from nature and companies like Facebook began suppressing the debate. It was pure politics.

No Fauci was pushing for a conclusion of nature, because he helped fund the lab.

…with OUR tax dollars. Fauci must be investigated. Americans demand the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do so many DCUM posters think it’s so implausible that it came from a lab leak.

Why is that immediate grounds to label someone a conspiracy kook and then discredit everything they say.


I just don’t understand this mentality. People here believe the pee-pee tape conspiracy and the Hunter’s-laptop-is-fake conspiracy, but a lab leak for covid is just too impossible to believe?



Can someone explain this?

Nobody thinks it is implausible, or at least most do not. The early science did not show it was likely. It is also plausible that it came from a bat just as MERS and SARS did. Any MAGA want to consider the alternative possibility?

New poster - the early science absolutely did show a strong probability that COVID could have been a lab leak because of the DNA sequence and cleavage did not seem natural and there were aspects to it that suggested manipulation. At a minimum it needed to be discussed as a valid theory with no less credibility than the naturally occurring theory.

Incidentally, there was an infamous meeting between Fauci and a bunch of prominent virologists early in the pandemic when they first got their hands on the COVID DNA and a bunch of emails do show these virologists were openly talking about this possibility of a manipulated virus, but then suddenly after the meeting the official consensus was clear, not a lab leak but with no explanation why not. From that point onward, the entire establishment went into a bizarre overdrive to shut down lab leak theories as wacko conspiracy theories.

But, even if just because of Occam's Razor, pretty much any intelligent person knows COVID was a gain of function lab leak and NIH funded the research indirectly via EcoHealth Alliance and Fauci tried to simultaneously cover the tracks AND protect the entire scientific research industry by manipulating the official narrative way from lab leaks. They were certainly afraid that Trump would weaponize COVID against the Democratic "deep state" in the 2020 elections and use it as an excuse to gut scientific research funding thoroughly.

I am not going as far to say Fauci knew what EcoHealth was doing and it's very plausible he didn't, but he had the ultimate responsibility of oversight (FYI investigators from NIH doing quality control review did flag the Wuhan lab for failed security practices just prior to COVID). Incidentally, it's why Fauci's pardon from Biden dates back to 2014, which is the year the Obama administration banned gain of function research and it was illegal from that point onward. But what a coincidence that the pardon dates five whole years before COVID, har har har.

By the way, there is no evidence whatsoever that COVID was naturally occurring either. We still haven't found the alleged original bat colony if it was naturally occurring. But we do know there was a major virology research lab in Wuhan. What a coincidence. And it's also an amazing coincidence the Chinese government reacted as if it knew exactly what had happened, normally with a new virus it takes time to figure out there's something more than a worse than usual winter flu and by which point the virus would be circulating wide and far (which we know from how quickly it spread everywhere - except within China!). I've been to China multiple times, I know their system of high speed trains connecting the whole country. That COVID could get to Italy but not Shanghai or Beijing is certainly an amazing coincidence, eh?

I'm aware some people prefer to persist with their "naturally occurring" beliefs because they cannot countenance the concept that not only were they wrong for the last five years, but that the entire establishment, from the Fauci and many of the presses, effectively lied to them in the name of safety and good. But that is what happened, unfortunately.

I am not a fan of Donald Trump at all. Not at all. But if one of the few good things to come from his administration is an open and honest investigation into exactly what happened in Wuhan and the NIH role in funding research that may have triggered it, and the potential cover up by senior US health officials, that reckoning of truth will be very important if we are ever to restore confidence in the US government, which is critical for the next time we have a pandemic.

+ 1000! Anyone who bothered to find and follow independent scientists, read the technical articles on RNA viruses, coronaviruses and the role of the furin cleavage site in vaccine development, and piece things together understood both the high likelihood that the virus leaked from a BSL2/3 lab in Wuhan andn then spread H2H along the Metro lines that connected to the lab and the international airport that connected to the rest of the world, and was covered up by the US and China because they were both complicit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do so many DCUM posters think it’s so implausible that it came from a lab leak.

Why is that immediate grounds to label someone a conspiracy kook and then discredit everything they say.


I just don’t understand this mentality. People here believe the pee-pee tape conspiracy and the Hunter’s-laptop-is-fake conspiracy, but a lab leak for covid is just too impossible to believe?



Can someone explain this?

Nobody thinks it is implausible, or at least most do not. The early science did not show it was likely. It is also plausible that it came from a bat just as MERS and SARS did. Any MAGA want to consider the alternative possibility?

New poster - the early science absolutely did show a strong probability that COVID could have been a lab leak because of the DNA sequence and cleavage did not seem natural and there were aspects to it that suggested manipulation. At a minimum it needed to be discussed as a valid theory with no less credibility than the naturally occurring theory.

Incidentally, there was an infamous meeting between Fauci and a bunch of prominent virologists early in the pandemic when they first got their hands on the COVID DNA and a bunch of emails do show these virologists were openly talking about this possibility of a manipulated virus, but then suddenly after the meeting the official consensus was clear, not a lab leak but with no explanation why not. From that point onward, the entire establishment went into a bizarre overdrive to shut down lab leak theories as wacko conspiracy theories.

But, even if just because of Occam's Razor, pretty much any intelligent person knows COVID was a gain of function lab leak and NIH funded the research indirectly via EcoHealth Alliance and Fauci tried to simultaneously cover the tracks AND protect the entire scientific research industry by manipulating the official narrative way from lab leaks. They were certainly afraid that Trump would weaponize COVID against the Democratic "deep state" in the 2020 elections and use it as an excuse to gut scientific research funding thoroughly.

I am not going as far to say Fauci knew what EcoHealth was doing and it's very plausible he didn't, but he had the ultimate responsibility of oversight (FYI investigators from NIH doing quality control review did flag the Wuhan lab for failed security practices just prior to COVID). Incidentally, it's why Fauci's pardon from Biden dates back to 2014, which is the year the Obama administration banned gain of function research and it was illegal from that point onward. But what a coincidence that the pardon dates five whole years before COVID, har har har.

By the way, there is no evidence whatsoever that COVID was naturally occurring either. We still haven't found the alleged original bat colony if it was naturally occurring. But we do know there was a major virology research lab in Wuhan. What a coincidence. And it's also an amazing coincidence the Chinese government reacted as if it knew exactly what had happened, normally with a new virus it takes time to figure out there's something more than a worse than usual winter flu and by which point the virus would be circulating wide and far (which we know from how quickly it spread everywhere - except within China!). I've been to China multiple times, I know their system of high speed trains connecting the whole country. That COVID could get to Italy but not Shanghai or Beijing is certainly an amazing coincidence, eh?

I'm aware some people prefer to persist with their "naturally occurring" beliefs because they cannot countenance the concept that not only were they wrong for the last five years, but that the entire establishment, from the Fauci and many of the presses, effectively lied to them in the name of safety and good. But that is what happened, unfortunately.

I am not a fan of Donald Trump at all. Not at all. But if one of the few good things to come from his administration is an open and honest investigation into exactly what happened in Wuhan and the NIH role in funding research that may have triggered it, and the potential cover up by senior US health officials, that reckoning of truth will be very important if we are ever to restore confidence in the US government, which is critical for the next time we have a pandemic.

+ 1000! Anyone who bothered to find and follow independent scientists, read the technical articles on RNA viruses, coronaviruses and the role of the furin cleavage site in vaccine development, and piece things together understood both the high likelihood that the virus leaked from a BSL2/3 lab in Wuhan andn then spread H2H along the Metro lines that connected to the lab and the international airport that connected to the rest of the world, and was covered up by the US and China because they were both complicit.

It is still not definitive if you read actual research articles and there are scientists on both sides of the aisle on this.

And FWIW, I still believe it could have come from a lab. I just don't think the science is conclusive. If it were conclusive, we wouldn't have a "low" confidence assessment from the CIA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do so many DCUM posters think it’s so implausible that it came from a lab leak.

Why is that immediate grounds to label someone a conspiracy kook and then discredit everything they say.


I just don’t understand this mentality. People here believe the pee-pee tape conspiracy and the Hunter’s-laptop-is-fake conspiracy, but a lab leak for covid is just too impossible to believe?



Can someone explain this?

Nobody thinks it is implausible, or at least most do not. The early science did not show it was likely. It is also plausible that it came from a bat just as MERS and SARS did. Any MAGA want to consider the alternative possibility?

New poster - the early science absolutely did show a strong probability that COVID could have been a lab leak because of the DNA sequence and cleavage did not seem natural and there were aspects to it that suggested manipulation. At a minimum it needed to be discussed as a valid theory with no less credibility than the naturally occurring theory.

Incidentally, there was an infamous meeting between Fauci and a bunch of prominent virologists early in the pandemic when they first got their hands on the COVID DNA and a bunch of emails do show these virologists were openly talking about this possibility of a manipulated virus, but then suddenly after the meeting the official consensus was clear, not a lab leak but with no explanation why not. From that point onward, the entire establishment went into a bizarre overdrive to shut down lab leak theories as wacko conspiracy theories.

But, even if just because of Occam's Razor, pretty much any intelligent person knows COVID was a gain of function lab leak and NIH funded the research indirectly via EcoHealth Alliance and Fauci tried to simultaneously cover the tracks AND protect the entire scientific research industry by manipulating the official narrative way from lab leaks. They were certainly afraid that Trump would weaponize COVID against the Democratic "deep state" in the 2020 elections and use it as an excuse to gut scientific research funding thoroughly.

I am not going as far to say Fauci knew what EcoHealth was doing and it's very plausible he didn't, but he had the ultimate responsibility of oversight (FYI investigators from NIH doing quality control review did flag the Wuhan lab for failed security practices just prior to COVID). Incidentally, it's why Fauci's pardon from Biden dates back to 2014, which is the year the Obama administration banned gain of function research and it was illegal from that point onward. But what a coincidence that the pardon dates five whole years before COVID, har har har.

By the way, there is no evidence whatsoever that COVID was naturally occurring either. We still haven't found the alleged original bat colony if it was naturally occurring. But we do know there was a major virology research lab in Wuhan. What a coincidence. And it's also an amazing coincidence the Chinese government reacted as if it knew exactly what had happened, normally with a new virus it takes time to figure out there's something more than a worse than usual winter flu and by which point the virus would be circulating wide and far (which we know from how quickly it spread everywhere - except within China!). I've been to China multiple times, I know their system of high speed trains connecting the whole country. That COVID could get to Italy but not Shanghai or Beijing is certainly an amazing coincidence, eh?

I'm aware some people prefer to persist with their "naturally occurring" beliefs because they cannot countenance the concept that not only were they wrong for the last five years, but that the entire establishment, from the Fauci and many of the presses, effectively lied to them in the name of safety and good. But that is what happened, unfortunately.

I am not a fan of Donald Trump at all. Not at all. But if one of the few good things to come from his administration is an open and honest investigation into exactly what happened in Wuhan and the NIH role in funding research that may have triggered it, and the potential cover up by senior US health officials, that reckoning of truth will be very important if we are ever to restore confidence in the US government, which is critical for the next time we have a pandemic.

+ 1000! Anyone who bothered to find and follow independent scientists, read the technical articles on RNA viruses, coronaviruses and the role of the furin cleavage site in vaccine development, and piece things together understood both the high likelihood that the virus leaked from a BSL2/3 lab in Wuhan andn then spread H2H along the Metro lines that connected to the lab and the international airport that connected to the rest of the world, and was covered up by the US and China because they were both complicit.

+ 2000! Remember how bizarre it was in the beginning when Pelosi made a show of herself marching into the San Francisco Chinese Community unmasked, telling us it was fine?

What a propaganda machine. They promoted the spread and than mandated lockdowns. Genius.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remeber when the scientific community and people on the left said that even the mere suggestion that COVID escaped from a lab in China was "anti-science" and conspiracy nonsense? Well, well, well:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/cia-now-favors-lab-leak-theory-on-origins-of-covid-19-eff4e67c

This is now after the Biden Administration opened up extensive investigations into the lab leak theory and the New York Times ran a long piece putting together a very plausible story.

I know the immediate response will be, "How does this change anything?". Well, for starters, it greatly damages the reputation of the scientific community going forward. Remember when top publications like Science and Nature were trying to downplay the possibility of a lab leak? The entire scientific community has been outed as being entirely susceptible to dangerous group think that clearly has a political agenda injected into it. The truth and being transparent do not matter. This should also have severe consequences for China. I mean if country causes the worst manmade disaster in human history that caused millions of deaths, including 1.2M of our own citizens, and trillions of dollars in economic damage, shouldn't they face severe repercussions?

Thank you, OP. DEMOCRATS tried to HIDE the TRUTH. President Trump ORDERED the RELEASE of this report that DEMOCRATS tried to keep SECRET.

This ^^^, 100%

Dems are STILL trying to keep it covered up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Trump suspected a lab leak so the liberal media reflexively insisted it must have been from nature and companies like Facebook began suppressing the debate. It was pure politics.

No Fauci was pushing for a conclusion of nature, because he helped fund the lab.

…with OUR tax dollars. Fauci must be investigated. Americans demand the truth.

Investigated? He’ll just lie like he’s always done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do so many DCUM posters think it’s so implausible that it came from a lab leak.

Why is that immediate grounds to label someone a conspiracy kook and then discredit everything they say.


I just don’t understand this mentality. People here believe the pee-pee tape conspiracy and the Hunter’s-laptop-is-fake conspiracy, but a lab leak for covid is just too impossible to believe?



Can someone explain this?

Nobody thinks it is implausible, or at least most do not. The early science did not show it was likely. It is also plausible that it came from a bat just as MERS and SARS did. Any MAGA want to consider the alternative possibility?

New poster - the early science absolutely did show a strong probability that COVID could have been a lab leak because of the DNA sequence and cleavage did not seem natural and there were aspects to it that suggested manipulation. At a minimum it needed to be discussed as a valid theory with no less credibility than the naturally occurring theory.

Incidentally, there was an infamous meeting between Fauci and a bunch of prominent virologists early in the pandemic when they first got their hands on the COVID DNA and a bunch of emails do show these virologists were openly talking about this possibility of a manipulated virus, but then suddenly after the meeting the official consensus was clear, not a lab leak but with no explanation why not. From that point onward, the entire establishment went into a bizarre overdrive to shut down lab leak theories as wacko conspiracy theories.

But, even if just because of Occam's Razor, pretty much any intelligent person knows COVID was a gain of function lab leak and NIH funded the research indirectly via EcoHealth Alliance and Fauci tried to simultaneously cover the tracks AND protect the entire scientific research industry by manipulating the official narrative way from lab leaks. They were certainly afraid that Trump would weaponize COVID against the Democratic "deep state" in the 2020 elections and use it as an excuse to gut scientific research funding thoroughly.

I am not going as far to say Fauci knew what EcoHealth was doing and it's very plausible he didn't, but he had the ultimate responsibility of oversight (FYI investigators from NIH doing quality control review did flag the Wuhan lab for failed security practices just prior to COVID). Incidentally, it's why Fauci's pardon from Biden dates back to 2014, which is the year the Obama administration banned gain of function research and it was illegal from that point onward. But what a coincidence that the pardon dates five whole years before COVID, har har har.

By the way, there is no evidence whatsoever that COVID was naturally occurring either. We still haven't found the alleged original bat colony if it was naturally occurring. But we do know there was a major virology research lab in Wuhan. What a coincidence. And it's also an amazing coincidence the Chinese government reacted as if it knew exactly what had happened, normally with a new virus it takes time to figure out there's something more than a worse than usual winter flu and by which point the virus would be circulating wide and far (which we know from how quickly it spread everywhere - except within China!). I've been to China multiple times, I know their system of high speed trains connecting the whole country. That COVID could get to Italy but not Shanghai or Beijing is certainly an amazing coincidence, eh?

I'm aware some people prefer to persist with their "naturally occurring" beliefs because they cannot countenance the concept that not only were they wrong for the last five years, but that the entire establishment, from the Fauci and many of the presses, effectively lied to them in the name of safety and good. But that is what happened, unfortunately.

I am not a fan of Donald Trump at all. Not at all. But if one of the few good things to come from his administration is an open and honest investigation into exactly what happened in Wuhan and the NIH role in funding research that may have triggered it, and the potential cover up by senior US health officials, that reckoning of truth will be very important if we are ever to restore confidence in the US government, which is critical for the next time we have a pandemic.

+ 1000! Anyone who bothered to find and follow independent scientists, read the technical articles on RNA viruses, coronaviruses and the role of the furin cleavage site in vaccine development, and piece things together understood both the high likelihood that the virus leaked from a BSL2/3 lab in Wuhan andn then spread H2H along the Metro lines that connected to the lab and the international airport that connected to the rest of the world, and was covered up by the US and China because they were both complicit.

+ 2000! Remember how bizarre it was in the beginning when Pelosi made a show of herself marching into the San Francisco Chinese Community unmasked, telling us it was fine?

What a propaganda machine. They promoted the spread and than mandated lockdowns. Genius.

In actual research, it is still debated.

https://www.annualreviews.org/content/journals/10.1146/annurev-virology-093022-013037

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remeber when the scientific community and people on the left said that even the mere suggestion that COVID escaped from a lab in China was "anti-science" and conspiracy nonsense? Well, well, well:

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/cia-now-favors-lab-leak-theory-on-origins-of-covid-19-eff4e67c

This is now after the Biden Administration opened up extensive investigations into the lab leak theory and the New York Times ran a long piece putting together a very plausible story.

I know the immediate response will be, "How does this change anything?". Well, for starters, it greatly damages the reputation of the scientific community going forward. Remember when top publications like Science and Nature were trying to downplay the possibility of a lab leak? The entire scientific community has been outed as being entirely susceptible to dangerous group think that clearly has a political agenda injected into it. The truth and being transparent do not matter. This should also have severe consequences for China. I mean if country causes the worst manmade disaster in human history that caused millions of deaths, including 1.2M of our own citizens, and trillions of dollars in economic damage, shouldn't they face severe repercussions?

Could this possibly be because Trump installed a conspiracy crank at the CIA?

No. These were findings of the Biden CIA and just released by the new chief after an internal release.

“The CIA issued its low confidence judgment after former CIA Director William Burns directed the agency to take a position on the origins rather than remain agnostic, according to officials familiar with the matter, though he didn’t urge a particular conclusion. The updated analysis, which wasn’t based on specific new intelligence, was published internally at the agency before Ratcliffe’s arrival, the officials said.”

Exactly. Democrats, stop covering for what Fauci did in Wuhan after President Obama ordered him to stop.

Also, why did Fauci remove the watchdog located in Wuhan specifically monitoring for emerging diseases? Evidently the U.S. government very prudently has these watchdogs situated around the world. But the watchdog in Wuhan was removed immediately before Covid escaped from the lab.

Wow. Imagine that.
A sea of blood on his hands.