Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

[Anonymous]

Sadly a major insurance carrier dropped all fire coverage in the area several months ago. Many of these folks are losing everything. It’s a real tragedy.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s now a new fire above Altadena threatening Mount Wilson observatory. Wtf is going on? Just sprouted in last 30 minutes

Hurricane force winds in a dry, desert like area. What is it that you do not get?

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Anonymous wrote:So much misinformation in this thread.

Maybe reading about this fire can help some of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Fire

And if you think no one should live where there is a natural disaster what are you going to do with all the red states full of tornadoes and hurricanes? Plus, thanks to your fracking Oklahoma now has earthquakes? No place is safe from natural disasters. It’s amazing how when tragedy strikes in a red state you people are all “we’ve got to help these people!” And when it’s a blue state, you’re just full of hate and blame and absolutely stupid, uninformed takes about why things happen or how they should be handled.

I'm in Florida and see the opposite here constantly actually, even people actively wishing ill on Florida during hurricane season. So I think you are deeply mistaken. And anyone who actually lives in a natural disaster area has empathy and good thoughts only for CA residents dealing with fires right now, because we get how terrifying it is!

I am glad you have such kindness knowing that majority of Ca could care so little about your well being. Personally I feel bad for anyone going through a natural disaster. We went through one in a different state and experienced the kindness of organizations like Samaritans purse -they will be there soon if not already.

[Anonymous]

These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Question from somebody who hasn't had to evacuate - when do you decide to go? My impulse would be to just leave now if I was anywhere near, but I can understand it requires a place to stay, missing work, etc. Do you wait for the order? or go sooner if you can?

I am pp who has been through it three times. We have a system that warns us to prepare to evacuate, and we all are watching location, wind speed/direction, and of course literally watching, communicating with neighbors, and paying attention to our guts. I want to be out before the order so that there is no chance of being stuck in gridlock.

Coordinating with neighbors is a must. We have some teens on the block that aren’t old enough to drive. There are plans A, B, and C for them to get out. We all have keys or codes for multiple neighbors and we know who has which pets. We have a couple of elderly neighbors that are pretty fit but we have designated people to make sure they are ok and help them if needed. We let each other know when we’re going out of town, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:So much misinformation in this thread.

Maybe reading about this fire can help some of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Fire

And if you think no one should live where there is a natural disaster what are you going to do with all the red states full of tornadoes and hurricanes? Plus, thanks to your fracking Oklahoma now has earthquakes? No place is safe from natural disasters. It’s amazing how when tragedy strikes in a red state you people are all “we’ve got to help these people!” And when it’s a blue state, you’re just full of hate and blame and absolutely stupid, uninformed takes about why things happen or how they should be handled.

I'm in Florida and see the opposite here constantly actually, even people actively wishing ill on Florida during hurricane season. So I think you are deeply mistaken. And anyone who actually lives in a natural disaster area has empathy and good thoughts only for CA residents dealing with fires right now, because we get how terrifying it is!

Please. There is so much nastiness and blame in this thread and all kinds of cries about how CA is being punished for SIN! all over MAGA sites.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

I swear to God some of you are still drunk from NYE and the snow days.

This reminds me of a few years back, when Trump (then Prez) blamed the people of CA for all of the destruction that the wildfires caused.

He actually said it was the residents of CA’s fault that there were so many wildfires!! 🤦🏼
He claimed that CA residents were not keeping their “floors”/grounds swept + raked properly (like the folks in Greenland did!) and he even spoke of withholding emergency monies because of it!
Of course - it was all part of his power trip (the guys LOVES power + control!)

Personally he was just butt hurt that CA didn’t vote for him.
But to the PP >> how can you say such an insensitive remark when so many people lose their lives & homes??

Calm down. What Trump said actually is correct. The fires aren't just because of global warming, there have always been wildfires in California due to the dry nature of the region combined with the wind patterns. It's that there are now so many people living in high fire risk areas. As other posters have already pointed out, you have to take proactive steps with the vegetations around your properties. If you don't you put yourself at a higher risk for fire. Although there are definitely times when there's nothing you can do.

DP. I’m a native Californian who lived there 21 years and never experienced a fire. Droughts were common, and one year we recycled shower water. In the last 8 years, both the area I grew up and my college town have been devastated by fires.

I'd think a native Californian would know wildfires have always been part of California's history. I remember seeing them on TV back in the 80s.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

I swear to God some of you are still drunk from NYE and the snow days.

This reminds me of a few years back, when Trump (then Prez) blamed the people of CA for all of the destruction that the wildfires caused.

He actually said it was the residents of CA’s fault that there were so many wildfires!! 🤦🏼
He claimed that CA residents were not keeping their “floors”/grounds swept + raked properly (like the folks in Greenland did!) and he even spoke of withholding emergency monies because of it!
Of course - it was all part of his power trip (the guys LOVES power + control!)

Personally he was just butt hurt that CA didn’t vote for him.
But to the PP >> how can you say such an insensitive remark when so many people lose their lives & homes??

So he was president “a few years back” (a “few” is 3, btw, so that would be 2022) and he was speaking about Greenland back then, huh? Going for maximum lie saturation, huh?

You are why people hate democrats now.

The remarks about sweeping the forest were in 2020 and referenced Finland (although yes I'm sure you recall he wanted to buy Greenland in 2017).

"A few" does not mean 3, it means "not many but more than one." 2020 was indeed a few years ago. Anybody else notice an uptick on DCUM of incorrectly nitpicky replies focused on American idioms? I think we have some foreign trolls.

RWNJs have been trying to take over the very left leaning dcum.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Okay but it’s a very small % of expensive homes in California.

Just like everyone makes a huge deal about hurricanes hitting Florida but even a large hurricane only affects a small % of people. There are 22 million people living in Florida and an annual state budget of around $115 billion. Even a bad hurricane is around $1 billion in damages. A drop in the bucket.

Problem is how the media portrays these events and the 24-7 news cycle.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

Republicans are such idiots.

What an odd response, completely out of left field. This is a combination of bad state policies, dry conditions in challenging terrain, dense population, high winds.

Delusional idiots who still argue that climate change isn't a thing is doing us in.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

I swear to God some of you are still drunk from NYE and the snow days.

This reminds me of a few years back, when Trump (then Prez) blamed the people of CA for all of the destruction that the wildfires caused.

He actually said it was the residents of CA’s fault that there were so many wildfires!! 🤦🏼
He claimed that CA residents were not keeping their “floors”/grounds swept + raked properly (like the folks in Greenland did!) and he even spoke of withholding emergency monies because of it!
Of course - it was all part of his power trip (the guys LOVES power + control!)

Personally he was just butt hurt that CA didn’t vote for him.
But to the PP >> how can you say such an insensitive remark when so many people lose their lives & homes??

Calm down. What Trump said actually is correct. The fires aren't just because of global warming, there have always been wildfires in California due to the dry nature of the region combined with the wind patterns. It's that there are now so many people living in high fire risk areas. As other posters have already pointed out, you have to take proactive steps with the vegetations around your properties. If you don't you put yourself at a higher risk for fire. Although there are definitely times when there's nothing you can do.

There have always been fires, but the scale and frequency are new. There used to be a wet season (now) and a fire season: now it's fire season year round. That is climate change.

Which means what Trump says is still on the right side. People have to take much stricture measures to try to control the fires through landscaping and vegetation. As for scale and frequency, there were devastating wildfires in the 80s even before global warming was a thing. It's that the population is much bigger and therefore many more people affected, and suburban sprawl gets in the way of a natural wildfire with unpleasant results.

You are fing unbelievable. Drumpf doesn't understand the first thing about this and several posters here sound like him. We as a country are too dumb to manage anything complex now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

Republicans are such idiots.

What an odd response, completely out of left field. This is a combination of bad state policies, dry conditions in challenging terrain, dense population, high winds.

Delusional idiots who still argue that climate change isn't a thing is doing us in.

It's climate change exacerbated by development into areas that used to be wilderness served by a power company that underinvested in infrastructure for years. For more rural areas, bad forest management also comes into play

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Anonymous wrote:If the hydrants are dry and water bombing won't work due to winds (although I did see them scooping from the ocean yesterday), can they pump in water from the ocean? I mean it seems kind of wild that there is a lack of water when there is a literal ocean across the street. Maybe they don't have the tech now but seems like investing in some sort of emergency pump system directly from the ocean for firefighting might be something worth looking into.

At the very least I imagine they should be able to fill tanker trucks with ocean water?

Please go the f away. Go read and learn. You are seriously saying there is a "literal ocean across the street"? I hope you don't teach and no one has to work with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

How is this stupid? If wild fires are an inherent risk to the region why wouldn’t taking measures to mitigate damage be smart? These systems actually do exist, just because you don’t know about them doesn’t mean it’s some hairbrain idea. I don’t understand what your position is? Do you have any ideas? Controlled burns, fire barriers there are a plethora of options why can’t this also be one?