EPA will grant California the right to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035

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European automakers slash EV prices while raising ICE models.
European automakers are reducing prices on EVs while raising prices on their ICE models, all in hopes of avoiding hefty fines as the European Union’s new emissions rules tighten at the beginning of 2025.
On January 1, the EU will drastically lower its cap on automotive CO2 emissions, meaning at least 20% of all sales from most car companies must be electric models to avoid heavy fines, Reuters reports. This year, 13% of all new cars sold in the region have been electric, according to the ACEA.

https://electrek.co/2024/12/17/european-automakers-slash-ev-prices-while-raising-ice-models/

This is an interesting way to go. Germany tax incentives ended in 2023 but will be available for 2025. Current survey show 97% of EV driver will buy another EV and only 1% will not.

What I really love about EVs is the low maintenance cost. All the service maintenance, oil changes, and problems usually have to do with the combustion engine. We keep cars for 10+ years so the maintenance costs really grow.

A gas combustion car is still more expensive for us than a comparable EV when I factor in maintenance and gas.

EVs are very disruptive to the status quo. They take 1/2 the man hours to produce(Unions fear them for this reason), require less replacement parts, do not require gas stations(these are closing), require much less repairs(less service stations demands and are easier to drive.

All the materials are mined in Africa and most of it produced in China where you don't have to be concerned about it, right?

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EVs are very disruptive to the status quo. They take 1/2 the man hours to produce(Unions fear them for this reason), require less replacement parts, do not require gas stations(these are closing), require much less repairs(less service stations demands and are easier to drive.

This is why GM killed the electric car. If you have not watched "Who Killed the Electric Car?" I recommend watching it. It is a documentary from 2006 and it still has a lot of relevance now. It's on Amazon. Excellent film.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Newsom, grid can't support it and people won't want it. EVs will still be under a third of cars sold in 2035.

You’d be surprised. We were in Norway this summer and almost all cars are electric. It would have been 3x the cost to rent gas powered. And they are building roads that charge cars while you drive on them.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't realize that renewables now make up nearly enough power to almost completely fulfill California's peak loads during the summer:



Today renewables are generating enough electricity in California to power 65% of the grid. It obviously declines in the winter when there's less sunlight.

You can monitor here: https://www.gridstatus.io/live/caiso

Plus blackouts when they can't. The energy is so expensive they have the 4th lowest per capita energy use.

Rationing is Democratic policy working.

Shall we compare Md contrast the TX power Grid?

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European automakers slash EV prices while raising ICE models.
European automakers are reducing prices on EVs while raising prices on their ICE models, all in hopes of avoiding hefty fines as the European Union’s new emissions rules tighten at the beginning of 2025.
On January 1, the EU will drastically lower its cap on automotive CO2 emissions, meaning at least 20% of all sales from most car companies must be electric models to avoid heavy fines, Reuters reports. This year, 13% of all new cars sold in the region have been electric, according to the ACEA.

https://electrek.co/2024/12/17/european-automakers-slash-ev-prices-while-raising-ice-models/

This is an interesting way to go. Germany tax incentives ended in 2023 but will be available for 2025. Current survey show 97% of EV driver will buy another EV and only 1% will not.

What I really love about EVs is the low maintenance cost. All the service maintenance, oil changes, and problems usually have to do with the combustion engine. We keep cars for 10+ years so the maintenance costs really grow.

A gas combustion car is still more expensive for us than a comparable EV when I factor in maintenance and gas.

EVs are very disruptive to the status quo. They take 1/2 the man hours to produce(Unions fear them for this reason), require less replacement parts, do not require gas stations(these are closing), require much less repairs(less service stations demands and are easier to drive.

All the materials are mined in Africa and most of it produced in China where you don't have to be concerned about it, right?

Musk EV yes. Everyone else’s not really.

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Electric be hiked weigh 30% more than gas cars on average. Is nobody wondering how this may affect our infrastructure?

Roads and bridges will wear out even faster and potholes will appear more frequently causing damage to vehicles.

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Anonymous wrote:Good for Newsom, grid can't support it and people won't want it. EVs will still be under a third of cars sold in 2035.

You’d be surprised. We were in Norway this summer and almost all cars are electric. It would have been 3x the cost to rent gas powered. And they are building roads that charge cars while you drive on them.

Norway is the size of Montana or New Mexico with a much more concentrated population concentrated on a southern bulbous tip that is much narrower than the above mention states.

Norway has a little over 50,000 miles of roadway. The US has 4.2 million. Norwegian roads are also not nearly as wide.

We have bridges (BRIDGES!) that are longer than Norways longest road of 15 miles. We have six lane highways that are longer than 15 miles.

The geography of the US is huge political and economic advantage but there comes with a staggering cost to build, maintain, and upgrade.

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Anonymous wrote:Electric be hiked weigh 30% more than gas cars on average. Is nobody wondering how this may affect our infrastructure?

Roads and bridges will wear out even faster and potholes will appear more frequently causing damage to vehicles.

First, this just isn’t true- the difference between same sized ICE and EV isn’t 30% it is much much smaller— a few hundred pounds.

Second, what is wearing out roads and bridges isn’t EVs it is the giant pickup trucks, SUVs, etc. More and more Americans are driving their kids around in “cars” that are the size and weight of heavy duty trucks nows. If anything people driving EVs are less likely to be driving those 2 - 4 ton behemoths and are helping our roads.

Likewise the effect of EVs on the grid is trivial compared to data centers and crypto. Data centers are what is going to strain/crash the grid.

If anything widespread EVs would help balance loads with TOD charging and V2G.

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Anonymous wrote:Electric be hiked weigh 30% more than gas cars on average. Is nobody wondering how this may affect our infrastructure?

Roads and bridges will wear out even faster and potholes will appear more frequently causing damage to vehicles.

Maybe 14 years ago but things have changed. Your information is way out of date unless you are talking Tesla which are way out of date. A top end EV a battery in 2014 was 82 Wg/kg. In 2023 the top line batteries were 500 wg/kg meaning insignificant less kilogram of battery for the same range. They are moving to gel batteries which do not require cooling a 1/3 of the weight of the battery. Also ever thing else has gotten lighter. The motors are a 1/4 of the weight with more power.

You really actually have to follow the trends in the EV market. Your 10 year old whataboutism is laughable.

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I hope the citizens of CA do not need to face any storms that close the highways and strand drivers. We know how well the EV cars fared in the storm we had a few years ago that shut down roadways and stranded vehicles for days.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the citizens of CA do not need to face any storms that close the highways and strand drivers. We know how well the EV cars fared in the storm we had a few years ago that shut down roadways and stranded vehicles for days.

Oh no! I am so scared! A storm you say?

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How’s California going to appease its other favorite child, equity?
Are poor ppl whom CA loves so much going to buy EVs?
They need to give massive subsidies then.

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Anonymous wrote:How’s California going to appease its other favorite child, equity?
Are poor ppl whom CA loves so much going to buy EVs?
They need to give massive subsidies then.

All that needs to happen is for Trump to allow Chinese EVs in with no taxes or tariffs. Those cars would be priced at $15-$20k and cost a lot less to drive and maintain. There is your equity being stopped by woke conservatives.

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Anonymous wrote:Electric be hiked weigh 30% more than gas cars on average. Is nobody wondering how this may affect our infrastructure?

Roads and bridges will wear out even faster and potholes will appear more frequently causing damage to vehicles.

First, this just isn’t true- the difference between same sized ICE and EV isn’t 30% it is much much smaller— a few hundred pounds.

Second, what is wearing out roads and bridges isn’t EVs it is the giant pickup trucks, SUVs, etc. More and more Americans are driving their kids around in “cars” that are the size and weight of heavy duty trucks nows. If anything people driving EVs are less likely to be driving those 2 - 4 ton behemoths and are helping our roads.

Likewise the effect of EVs on the grid is trivial compared to data centers and crypto. Data centers are what is going to strain/crash the grid.

If anything widespread EVs would help balance loads with TOD charging and V2G.

That is unequivocally false. EVs are much heavier. The Electric ford F-150 truck is around 35% heavier than the gasoline version. The electric version of the Chevy Equinox is around 42% heavier than the gasoline version, Electric Jeep Grand Cherokee 24% heavier, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't matter at the current rate of exodus, no one will be left in CA to care.

Good point.