Trump's plan to destroy DC

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Anonymous wrote:How does RTO for feds appreciably increase DC revenue? WMATA is doing ok. Most federal offices are owned by feds so I don’t think they pay DC taxes. Is it just downtown retail she’s concerned with?

"Just downtown retail"

You get that DC is a major city, right? People spending money in the city on food, entertainment, transportation, and consumer goods is a huge part of the revenue base. It's not like we make our money off of local factories. Yes property taxes play a big role too and federal properties don't pay that. But the trade off is bring thousands of people into the city every single day who will spend money.

RTO doesn't just mean more sandwich shops for lunch and retail in the downtown core dues better. It means boosting restaurants and bars across the city even in the evening as workers who come into the city are more likely to go out in the city after work. This also helps event planners, caterers, and entertainment venues. Yes it helps retail. But the bigger point is that it provides a population of consumers in the city 5 days a week and gives the city lots of opportunities to capture their interest and money. Someone working 9-5 in the city is more likely to head to a Nats game after work, plus grab dinner and drinks in Navy Yard and maybe stop in the team store and buy a cap. With WFH that worker might decide the commute into the city isn't worth it, watch the game in TV, order take out from a nearby restaurant in VA, and order that cap online-- DC gets nothing.

Federal RTO would be a huge boon to DC's economy and accelerate the existing shift towards RTO for law, consulting, and lobbying firms as well as other white collar jobs that bring plenty of consumer dollars with them.

meh. show me some actual dollar amounts here about how federal RTO somehow turns around DC’s economy. I know I’m not paying $25/day for lunch in L’Enfant Plaza if they force me back 5 days/week.

DC’s revenue issues are not due to telework. They are due to DC policies that make it unattractive & unaffordable for businesses and families to move to or stay in DC. Burdensome zoning and building codes that raise housing costs. The continuous erosion of MS and HS programs in DCPS appropriate for college-bound kids and the DC policy commitment to apparently tank the existing well-functioning schools in the name of (fake) equity. Business licenses that are impossible to obtain. All that stuff. Fed schmoes schlepping 5 days/week to their dark and brutalist GSA office isn’t going to achieve any of that.

The reason Bowser is concerned about retail is not because of sales tax revenue, it’s because commercial real estate taxes are determined as a function of revenue. Every CRE owner in the city is getting their taxes cut through reappraisals based on lower revenue. That lower revenue means lower real estate taxes levied which means that, god forbid, DC may actually have to cut spending.

How does that relate to forcing federal workers back? I worked in Lenfant for 5 years and I can count on one hand the number of times I left the building to buy lunch.

You may not be representative of federal workers in general.

Also can't spell L'enfant

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Anonymous wrote:Times have changed - People aren't shopping retail, it's all online. Post covid, eating out at lunch isn't as much of a thing. I live in Virginia and we have amazing restaurants here, so i almost never go to dc, and it's not because of the crime.

DC reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote…nobody goes there, it’s too popular.

I am shocked how mobbed downtown is on any weekend.

THINK! Tourists! Not feds, not residents

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Anonymous wrote:Times have changed - People aren't shopping retail, it's all online. Post covid, eating out at lunch isn't as much of a thing. I live in Virginia and we have amazing restaurants here, so i almost never go to dc, and it's not because of the crime.

DC reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote…nobody goes there, it’s too popular.

I am shocked how mobbed downtown is on any weekend.

Why do you all lie about everything? Is it a generational thing? I just don't get it.

I go downtown most weekends and it is empty compared to how it was just 10 years ago.

I didn’t get it either.

It’s a really specific segment of Millennial progressives that seem to have gone over the line from advocacy to straight up lying and they just lie about everything.

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Anonymous wrote:The Project 2025 follow on may involve imposition of a broad death penalty in DC for murder and other crimes. It’s worth a shot to deal with DC’s spike in violent crimes.

Trump isn't Prohect 2025. That's
Herirage and its creatir has keft. Trumo has denounced 2025 so why keep referencing it?

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Anonymous wrote:its no secret trump has stated his hatred of DC which votes 93% for democrats.

I heard this from a friend of a friend with some ties to Trump's inner circles, the plan in the next few years will be to hit/move significant number of agencies out of DC, for the ones which will have to be in the area for logistical reasons/defense/dod will be moved across the river into Virginia in a bid to have loyalists turn Virginia into permanent red state rather than having their people waste their electoral position in MD/DC. Virginia went blue by about 200k. Eventually firing about 100k democrats and having about 100k loyalists in VA will shift it red. DC and MOCO will be rendered into a slum outside of a few places next to the mall/capital hill.

Any how, I am praying this is not true, but it sounds like something they are capable of.

I am quite worried about my job, but what you are describing is way easier said than done - just because of real estate practicalities, never mind laws and requirements for moving agencies. Where are all these agencies going to be located in congested NoVA? Or are they moving to red counties, in which case you need to build out the space from scratch? And, wouldn't this exercise be pointless since his loyalists can live and vote in VA even if they commute to DC?

Also, he cannot make DC and MOCO a slum. Among other reasons - Federal employees are not a major economic engine, as we've seen in the countless failed attempts to revitalize sketchy parts of DC by moving an agency there. Lobbyists etc. will still be in DC and they are the ones spending money at nice retail/restaurant developments and nice housing, which is what actually revitalizes areas.

Lots to worry about, but this is not on the list.

Hmmmm

Reeves Center (local Dc) was created at 14th and U and now that is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in DC.
ATF was moved to NoMa and now that is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in DC.
3 agencies were moved to Navy Yard area and now that is a very trendy area.

What agencies were moved to a sketchy area that remained sketchy? (and st eliabeths west doesn't count since it is a completely walled off installation that provides no external facing public amenities)

The local agencies that have been moved to Minnesota Avenue in NE have done nothing for that area, (DOES, DGS, DOC), and Uber's Greenlight Hub office just closed. You do realize it took 30 years for 14th and U to turnaround. The federal and local government workforce are not what revitalize the sketchy parts of the city. Especially when the local non-union employees are denied COLAs.

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The area around 14th and U was sketchy for a long time after the Reeves Center. It had nothing to do with the revitalization of that area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:its no secret trump has stated his hatred of DC which votes 93% for democrats.

I heard this from a friend of a friend with some ties to Trump's inner circles, the plan in the next few years will be to hit/move significant number of agencies out of DC, for the ones which will have to be in the area for logistical reasons/defense/dod will be moved across the river into Virginia in a bid to have loyalists turn Virginia into permanent red state rather than having their people waste their electoral position in MD/DC. Virginia went blue by about 200k. Eventually firing about 100k democrats and having about 100k loyalists in VA will shift it red. DC and MOCO will be rendered into a slum outside of a few places next to the mall/capital hill.

Any how, I am praying this is not true, but it sounds like something they are capable of.

Honestly, I'm ok with this. It will lessen my commute to work.

Slums= higher crime. How can you be okay with that?

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I dunno if that so-called plan will work. You have a lot of little white men playing soldiers.

Do the real human employees want to sell homes in one place and spend money to move to another place while uprooting their kids? And there is no law they can’t live in Maryland and work at an agency in Virginia.

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Anonymous wrote:The Project 2025 follow on may involve imposition of a broad death penalty in DC for murder and other crimes. It’s worth a shot to deal with DC’s spike in violent crimes.

Trump isn't Prohect 2025. That's
Herirage and its creatir has keft. Trumo has denounced 2025 so why keep referencing it?

Haha. Very funny. 😆

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its no secret trump has stated his hatred of DC which votes 93% for democrats.

I heard this from a friend of a friend with some ties to Trump's inner circles, the plan in the next few years will be to hit/move significant number of agencies out of DC, for the ones which will have to be in the area for logistical reasons/defense/dod will be moved across the river into Virginia in a bid to have loyalists turn Virginia into permanent red state rather than having their people waste their electoral position in MD/DC. Virginia went blue by about 200k. Eventually firing about 100k democrats and having about 100k loyalists in VA will shift it red. DC and MOCO will be rendered into a slum outside of a few places next to the mall/capital hill.

Any how, I am praying this is not true, but it sounds like something they are capable of.

I am quite worried about my job, but what you are describing is way easier said than done - just because of real estate practicalities, never mind laws and requirements for moving agencies. Where are all these agencies going to be located in congested NoVA? Or are they moving to red counties, in which case you need to build out the space from scratch? And, wouldn't this exercise be pointless since his loyalists can live and vote in VA even if they commute to DC?

Also, he cannot make DC and MOCO a slum. Among other reasons - Federal employees are not a major economic engine, as we've seen in the countless failed attempts to revitalize sketchy parts of DC by moving an agency there. Lobbyists etc. will still be in DC and they are the ones spending money at nice retail/restaurant developments and nice housing, which is what actually revitalizes areas.

Lots to worry about, but this is not on the list.

Hmmmm

Reeves Center (local Dc) was created at 14th and U and now that is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in DC.
ATF was moved to NoMa and now that is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in DC.
3 agencies were moved to Navy Yard area and now that is a very trendy area.

What agencies were moved to a sketchy area that remained sketchy? (and st eliabeths west doesn't count since it is a completely walled off installation that provides no external facing public amenities)

The local agencies that have been moved to Minnesota Avenue in NE have done nothing for that area, (DOES, DGS, DOC), and Uber's Greenlight Hub office just closed. You do realize it took 30 years for 14th and U to turnaround. The federal and local government workforce are not what revitalize the sketchy parts of the city. Especially when the local non-union employees are denied COLAs.

The PP obviously hasn’t been in DC long enough to know there was a place called Waterside Mall. But in any case, Federal Center SW is totally sketchy and unsafe now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Project 2025 follow on may involve imposition of a broad death penalty in DC for murder and other crimes. It’s worth a shot to deal with DC’s spike in violent crimes.

Trump isn't Prohect 2025. That's
Herirage and its creatir has keft. Trumo has denounced 2025 so why keep referencing it?

someone snorted too much covfefe, didn't they

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would want Trump to pleasantly surprise DC by improving its livability which clearly dems can't do.

Good one. Do you still believe in the Easter bunny, Santa Clause?

Trump isn't going to improve anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:its no secret trump has stated his hatred of DC which votes 93% for democrats.

I heard this from a friend of a friend with some ties to Trump's inner circles, the plan in the next few years will be to hit/move significant number of agencies out of DC, for the ones which will have to be in the area for logistical reasons/defense/dod will be moved across the river into Virginia in a bid to have loyalists turn Virginia into permanent red state rather than having their people waste their electoral position in MD/DC. Virginia went blue by about 200k. Eventually firing about 100k democrats and having about 100k loyalists in VA will shift it red. DC and MOCO will be rendered into a slum outside of a few places next to the mall/capital hill.

Any how, I am praying this is not true, but it sounds like something they are capable of.

I am quite worried about my job, but what you are describing is way easier said than done - just because of real estate practicalities, never mind laws and requirements for moving agencies. Where are all these agencies going to be located in congested NoVA? Or are they moving to red counties, in which case you need to build out the space from scratch? And, wouldn't this exercise be pointless since his loyalists can live and vote in VA even if they commute to DC?

Also, he cannot make DC and MOCO a slum. Among other reasons - Federal employees are not a major economic engine, as we've seen in the countless failed attempts to revitalize sketchy parts of DC by moving an agency there. Lobbyists etc. will still be in DC and they are the ones spending money at nice retail/restaurant developments and nice housing, which is what actually revitalizes areas.

Lots to worry about, but this is not on the list.

Hmmmm

Reeves Center (local Dc) was created at 14th and U and now that is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in DC.
ATF was moved to NoMa and now that is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in DC.
3 agencies were moved to Navy Yard area and now that is a very trendy area.

What agencies were moved to a sketchy area that remained sketchy? (and st eliabeths west doesn't count since it is a completely walled off installation that provides no external facing public amenities)

The local agencies that have been moved to Minnesota Avenue in NE have done nothing for that area, (DOES, DGS, DOC), and Uber's Greenlight Hub office just closed. You do realize it took 30 years for 14th and U to turnaround. The federal and local government workforce are not what revitalize the sketchy parts of the city. Especially when the local non-union employees are denied COLAs.

The PP obviously hasn’t been in DC long enough to know there was a place called Waterside Mall. But in any case, Federal Center SW is totally sketchy and unsafe now.

federal center SW? Right off the Mall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Times have changed - People aren't shopping retail, it's all online. Post covid, eating out at lunch isn't as much of a thing. I live in Virginia and we have amazing restaurants here, so i almost never go to dc, and it's not because of the crime.

DC reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote…nobody goes there, it’s too popular.

I am shocked how mobbed downtown is on any weekend.

THINK! Tourists! Not feds, not residents

It’s definitely a ton of residents…tons of 20 something’s playing flag, ultimate, softball, etc in Rec leagues as well as playing volleyball on the mall (every court taken) and generally hanging out.

Yes tons of tourists as well…but I thought DC was so dangerous according to PP who is holed up in VA afraid of the crime.

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Anonymous wrote:Times have changed - People aren't shopping retail, it's all online. Post covid, eating out at lunch isn't as much of a thing. I live in Virginia and we have amazing restaurants here, so i almost never go to dc, and it's not because of the crime.

DC reminds me of the Yogi Berra quote…nobody goes there, it’s too popular.

I am shocked how mobbed downtown is on any weekend.

Why do you all lie about everything? Is it a generational thing? I just don't get it.

I go downtown most weekends and it is empty compared to how it was just 10 years ago.

I am GenX and I guess if you want to lie about things you can go right ahead.

Downtown on weekends is packed…just this past weekend I was surprised I couldn’t get a reservation at Le Diplomate on 14th, St Anselms in Union Market, The Dabney near the convention center…finally just went to Jaleo.

I find it odd that people just spew shit about how terrible the place seemingly is …to what end I have no idea.