Is it rude to serve guests something ‘shelf safe’

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ingredients from the Betty Crocker chocolate fudge brownies on sale at target for $2.49:

Sugar, Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Cocoa Processed With Alkali, Palm Oil, Corn Syrup. Contains 2% Or Less Of: Corn Starch, Salt, Canola Oil, Carob Powder, Artificial Flavor.

If I were making from scratch I wouldn’t be using palm oil or corn syrup. These are demonstrably inferior ingredients.

Ok. I don’t think the question was whether the 2.49 box of brownie mix had inferior ingredients it was whether anything in there was a known health hazard (in the dose you get from a single brownie)

+1
So far we are all discovering that brownie mixes use soy lecithin which they also use in the UK.
And most of us only add light olive oil or butter to the mix. Not canola or other weird oils.

[Anonymous]

OP you should send this thread to your guests and see how thoroughly they’ve been roasted. They’re going to need some emulsifiers to hold it all together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ingredients from the Betty Crocker chocolate fudge brownies on sale at target for $2.49:

Sugar, Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Cocoa Processed With Alkali, Palm Oil, Corn Syrup. Contains 2% Or Less Of: Corn Starch, Salt, Canola Oil, Carob Powder, Artificial Flavor.

If I were making from scratch I wouldn’t be using palm oil or corn syrup. These are demonstrably inferior ingredients.

Ok. I don’t think the question was whether the 2.49 box of brownie mix had inferior ingredients it was whether anything in there was a known health hazard (in the dose you get from a single brownie)

+1
So far we are all discovering that brownie mixes use soy lecithin which they also use in the UK.
And most of us only add light olive oil or butter to the mix. Not canola or other weird oils.

What's weird about canola oil?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ingredients from the Betty Crocker chocolate fudge brownies on sale at target for $2.49:

Sugar, Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Cocoa Processed With Alkali, Palm Oil, Corn Syrup. Contains 2% Or Less Of: Corn Starch, Salt, Canola Oil, Carob Powder, Artificial Flavor.

If I were making from scratch I wouldn’t be using palm oil or corn syrup. These are demonstrably inferior ingredients.

Ok. I don’t think the question was whether the 2.49 box of brownie mix had inferior ingredients it was whether anything in there was a known health hazard (in the dose you get from a single brownie)

+1
So far we are all discovering that brownie mixes use soy lecithin which they also use in the UK.
And most of us only add light olive oil or butter to the mix. Not canola or other weird oils.

No, we don't do that. The flavor doesn't work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"America does not regulate such products like Europe"

hows that?

DP

EU has stronger rules for regulating both food additives and GMO in food chain.

EU regulating GMOs is just one the more insane regulations in that bizarre confederation. GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe. The basis for this ban in Europe originally wasn’t even safety.

They regulate food completely differently and only part of those regulations have to do with safety.

Au contraire

Many countries have strict rules for genetically modified organisms (GMOs) because of their controversial use and the perceived risks to human health, animal welfare, and the environment. Many believe that GMOs offer little to no advantage to agriculture and food production while carrying substantial risks. The main concerns about adverse effects of GM foods on health are the transfer of antibiotic resistance, toxicity and allergenicity. Practical concerns around GM crops include the rise of insect pests and weeds that are resistant to pesticides.

Many countries have banned or restricted the cultivation and importation of genetically modified organisms (GMOs), including: 

Russia
 bans both the cultivation and importation of GMOs, except for scientific research. Russia is the most populated country to ban GMOs. 


Mexico
 bans GMOs, citing the precautionary principle to protect the health of the Mexican people and environment. 



European Union (EU)
EU countries have the right to block farmers from growing GMOs. Some countries that have banned GMO cultivation in the EU include Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Luxembourg, and Poland. 


Other countries
 Algeria, Bhutan, Kyrgyzstan, Madagascar, Peru, and Venezuela have banned both GMO imports and GMO cultivation. 


In addition to countries that have banned GMOs, about 60 other countries have significant restrictions on GMOs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ingredients from the Betty Crocker chocolate fudge brownies on sale at target for $2.49:

Sugar, Enriched Flour Bleached (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Cocoa Processed With Alkali, Palm Oil, Corn Syrup. Contains 2% Or Less Of: Corn Starch, Salt, Canola Oil, Carob Powder, Artificial Flavor.

If I were making from scratch I wouldn’t be using palm oil or corn syrup. These are demonstrably inferior ingredients.

Ok. I don’t think the question was whether the 2.49 box of brownie mix had inferior ingredients it was whether anything in there was a known health hazard (in the dose you get from a single brownie)

+1
So far we are all discovering that brownie mixes use soy lecithin which they also use in the UK.
And most of us only add light olive oil or butter to the mix. Not canola or other weird oils.

No, we don't do that. The flavor doesn't work.

I don’t know anyone who uses olive oil in a basic brownie mix. Please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP you should send this thread to your guests and see how thoroughly they’ve been roasted. They’re going to need some emulsifiers to hold it all together.

Well while they are in the US they’ll be able to get emulsifiers that are banned in EU but allowed in US - Brominated vegetable oil (BVO) and the carcinogenic Potassium bromate.

[Anonymous]

Wow that is very rude. I am a label reader and pretty careful about food but I would eat anything a host offer me.

True story: my mother-in-law was soooo excited to introduce me to my first Twinkie and I ate the whole thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you should send this thread to your guests and see how thoroughly they’ve been roasted. They’re going to need some emulsifiers to hold it all together.

Well while they are in the US they’ll be able to get emulsifiers that are banned in EU but allowed in US - Brominated vegetable oil (BVO) and the carcinogenic Potassium bromate.

But not in box brownies because they aren't there. They'll have to find them somewhere else.

[Anonymous]

Totally rude but also… why do you need a boxed mix? It’s not that much harder to make from scratch. And it’s good for the kids to see real ingredients and measure them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Totally rude but also… why do you need a boxed mix? It’s not that much harder to make from scratch. And it’s good for the kids to see real ingredients and measure them.

Like US flour and chocolate would be good enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"America does not regulate such products like Europe"

hows that?

DP

EU has stronger rules for regulating both food additives and GMO in food chain.

EU regulating GMOs is just one the more insane regulations in that bizarre confederation. GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe. The basis for this ban in Europe originally wasn’t even safety.

They regulate food completely differently and only part of those regulations have to do with safety.

Au contraire

Many countries have strict rules for genetically modified organisms (GMOs) because of their controversial use and the perceived risks to human health, animal welfare, and the environment. Many believe that GMOs offer little to no advantage to agriculture and food production while carrying substantial risks. The main concerns about adverse effects of GM foods on health are the transfer of antibiotic resistance, toxicity and allergenicity. Practical concerns around GM crops include the rise of insect pests and weeds that are resistant to pesticides.

Many countries have banned or restricted the cultivation and importation of genetically modified organisms (GMOs), including: 

Russia
 bans both the cultivation and importation of GMOs, except for scientific research. Russia is the most populated country to ban GMOs. 


Mexico
 bans GMOs, citing the precautionary principle to protect the health of the Mexican people and environment. 



European Union (EU)
EU countries have the right to block farmers from growing GMOs. Some countries that have banned GMO cultivation in the EU include Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Luxembourg, and Poland. 


Other countries
 Algeria, Bhutan, Kyrgyzstan, Madagascar, Peru, and Venezuela have banned both GMO imports and GMO cultivation. 


In addition to countries that have banned GMOs, about 60 other countries have significant restrictions on GMOs

Au contraire nothing.

GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe.

[Anonymous]

I’m an organic fruit and vegetable eater along with pasture raised eggs and hormone free milk and fresh caught fish…

Isn’t brownie mix being “shelf stable” akin to four and baking powder being shelf stable?

The egg and butter or olive oil you add make it fresh…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you should send this thread to your guests and see how thoroughly they’ve been roasted. They’re going to need some emulsifiers to hold it all together.

Well while they are in the US they’ll be able to get emulsifiers that are banned in EU but allowed in US - Brominated vegetable oil (BVO) and the carcinogenic Potassium bromate.

Once there was sufficient evidence, FDA has taken action on BVO.

The allowable level of Potassium Bromate is severely restricted by the fda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m an organic fruit and vegetable eater along with pasture raised eggs and hormone free milk and fresh caught fish…

Isn’t brownie mix being “shelf stable” akin to four and baking powder being shelf stable?

The egg and butter or olive oil you add make it fresh…

Unless you live in a fishing village it’s literally impossible to eat fresh caught fish.

Also it’s not the freezing of fish that’s the problem. It’s the mercury.