Is it rude to serve guests something ‘shelf safe’

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m an organic fruit and vegetable eater along with pasture raised eggs and hormone free milk and fresh caught fish…

Isn’t brownie mix being “shelf stable” akin to four and baking powder being shelf stable?

The egg and butter or olive oil you add make it fresh…

Yes. Except no one uses or should use olive oil in brownies. Choose a neutral oil or use butter.

[Anonymous]

She sounds rude and crazy. Shelf-safe only means it was pressure-cooked (canned) or acidified and that's the most minimally processed food. I'd be more scared of refrigerated products with tons of OMG emulsifiers and preservatives!!!!

[Anonymous]

You have very rude guests. Next time they want to visit, tell them you're too busy making food from scratch to host.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"America does not regulate such products like Europe"

hows that?

DP

EU has stronger rules for regulating both food additives and GMO in food chain.

EU regulating GMOs is just one the more insane regulations in that bizarre confederation. GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe. The basis for this ban in Europe originally wasn’t even safety.

They regulate food completely differently and only part of those regulations have to do with safety.

Au contraire

Many countries have strict rules for genetically modified organisms (GMOs) because of their controversial use and the perceived risks to human health, animal welfare, and the environment. Many believe that GMOs offer little to no advantage to agriculture and food production while carrying substantial risks. The main concerns about adverse effects of GM foods on health are the transfer of antibiotic resistance, toxicity and allergenicity. Practical concerns around GM crops include the rise of insect pests and weeds that are resistant to pesticides.

Many countries have banned or restricted the cultivation and importation of genetically modified organisms (GMOs), including: 

Russia
 bans both the cultivation and importation of GMOs, except for scientific research. Russia is the most populated country to ban GMOs. 


Mexico
 bans GMOs, citing the precautionary principle to protect the health of the Mexican people and environment. 



European Union (EU)
EU countries have the right to block farmers from growing GMOs. Some countries that have banned GMO cultivation in the EU include Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Luxembourg, and Poland. 


Other countries
 Algeria, Bhutan, Kyrgyzstan, Madagascar, Peru, and Venezuela have banned both GMO imports and GMO cultivation. 


In addition to countries that have banned GMOs, about 60 other countries have significant restrictions on GMOs

Au contraire nothing.

GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe.

This message was brought to you by Monsanto

[Anonymous]

It’s not rude to serve “shelf stable” food. You know what is rude? Your guests! They are rude and insane.

[Anonymous]

I mean this is insane and just extremely rude. The brownies are baked - what BS concern is going to survive that high heat?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"America does not regulate such products like Europe"

hows that?

DP

EU has stronger rules for regulating both food additives and GMO in food chain.

EU regulating GMOs is just one the more insane regulations in that bizarre confederation. GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe. The basis for this ban in Europe originally wasn’t even safety.

They regulate food completely differently and only part of those regulations have to do with safety.

Au contraire

Many countries have strict rules for genetically modified organisms (GMOs) because of their controversial use and the perceived risks to human health, animal welfare, and the environment. Many believe that GMOs offer little to no advantage to agriculture and food production while carrying substantial risks. The main concerns about adverse effects of GM foods on health are the transfer of antibiotic resistance, toxicity and allergenicity. Practical concerns around GM crops include the rise of insect pests and weeds that are resistant to pesticides.

Many countries have banned or restricted the cultivation and importation of genetically modified organisms (GMOs), including: 

Russia
 bans both the cultivation and importation of GMOs, except for scientific research. Russia is the most populated country to ban GMOs. 


Mexico
 bans GMOs, citing the precautionary principle to protect the health of the Mexican people and environment. 



European Union (EU)
EU countries have the right to block farmers from growing GMOs. Some countries that have banned GMO cultivation in the EU include Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Luxembourg, and Poland. 


Other countries
 Algeria, Bhutan, Kyrgyzstan, Madagascar, Peru, and Venezuela have banned both GMO imports and GMO cultivation. 


In addition to countries that have banned GMOs, about 60 other countries have significant restrictions on GMOs

Au contraire nothing.

GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe.

Most of the world disagrees with you and most scientists who are not funded by Monsanto concede that there is not enough long term research to understand likely long term impacts of GMO on people, the food chain and the environment. There is insufficient evidence that the benefits outweigh the many risks. It is impossible to reverse once unleashed.

Also, when farmers purchase GMO seed, they enter into contracts with seed companies and sign an agreement to purchase new seed each year and not save seed from their crops to plant the following year. So once GMO crops are started, farmers are trapped into financial dependence with seed companies such as Monsanto. Monsanto was the world’s largest seed company and owned over 80% of all the genetically modified (GM, also called genetically engineered) seeds planted around the world. Bayer, the second largest agrochemical company in the world, bought Monsanto for $63 billion. Bayer now owns 33% of the global seed market and 23% of the agrochemical market.

Monsanto funds much of the pro GMO propaganda in the US and lobbies against serious discussions around the many risks and ethics of GMO that takes place in most other countries. Contrary to the Monsanto GMO gospel, being pro science does not make one automatically pro GMO.


Opinion: I Was Lured Into Monsanto’s GMO Crusade. Here’s What I Learned.
As a once-vocal supporter of the company’s GMO push, I learned that debates about science are never just about science.
https://undark.org/2019/06/27/monsanto-gmo-crusade/


You'll Never Guess How Much Bayer and Monsanto Spend on Lobbying
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/youll-never-guess-how-much-bayer-and-monsanto-spend-lobbying-2016-09-16#


Genetic Literacy Project: PR front for Monsanto, Bayer and the chemical industry

https://usrtk.org/industry-pr/jon-entine-genetic-literacy-project/

Genetic Literacy Project is an influential front group that partners with Bayer and other chemical companies to promote GMO foods and pesticides and argue for deregulation. Bayer paid the Genetic Literacy Project $100,000 from July 2020 to June 2021 for its work “to prevent legislative overreach in genetic engineering,” according to the group’s IRS form 990. Donor’s Trust, the secretive funding vehicle that funds attacks on climate science, is also a donor.

[Anonymous]

What is with the wacko guests lately? First The Toilet Tizzy and now this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm French. It's true that coming from the EU, where food and supplements (even make-up!) are regulated much better than here, some anxious worriers can get into a tizzy. I shop at Whole Foods and pay a lot of attention to ingredients.

But they were irrational and rude. One boxed brownie from the supermarket won't cause any issues (since apparently a real allergy isn't the issue).

Op - they then proceeded to lecture me about what was ‘shelf safe’ as if it was so obvious. Should it be? I do understand ultra processed food but I suppose I don’t understand it as deeply as I thought I did where to them, brownies from a mix was the same as being given like - Lunchables? I felt v dumb

Rude

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"America does not regulate such products like Europe"

hows that?

DP

EU has stronger rules for regulating both food additives and GMO in food chain.

EU regulating GMOs is just one the more insane regulations in that bizarre confederation. GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe. The basis for this ban in Europe originally wasn’t even safety.

They regulate food completely differently and only part of those regulations have to do with safety.

Au contraire

Many countries have strict rules for genetically modified organisms (GMOs) because of their controversial use and the perceived risks to human health, animal welfare, and the environment. Many believe that GMOs offer little to no advantage to agriculture and food production while carrying substantial risks. The main concerns about adverse effects of GM foods on health are the transfer of antibiotic resistance, toxicity and allergenicity. Practical concerns around GM crops include the rise of insect pests and weeds that are resistant to pesticides.

Many countries have banned or restricted the cultivation and importation of genetically modified organisms (GMOs), including: 

Russia
 bans both the cultivation and importation of GMOs, except for scientific research. Russia is the most populated country to ban GMOs. 


Mexico
 bans GMOs, citing the precautionary principle to protect the health of the Mexican people and environment. 



European Union (EU)
EU countries have the right to block farmers from growing GMOs. Some countries that have banned GMO cultivation in the EU include Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Luxembourg, and Poland. 


Other countries
 Algeria, Bhutan, Kyrgyzstan, Madagascar, Peru, and Venezuela have banned both GMO imports and GMO cultivation. 


In addition to countries that have banned GMOs, about 60 other countries have significant restrictions on GMOs

Au contraire nothing.

GMOs are safe and moreover, nothing about GMOs are, with solid scientific footing, theoretically unsafe.

This message was brought to you by Monsanto

Realistically, there's a whole lot of stuff that's going to take you out before the hybrid corn gets a chance and there's not much you can do about it. Might just as well relax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holy moly, your guests were rude. And not just to you but to your kids.

+1
Brits are typically quite rude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holy moly, your guests were rude. And not just to you but to your kids.

+1
Brits are typically quite rude.

Op - I am a Brit! And I disagree. This was out of character.

Brits can be rude in a way where they are joking and it doesn’t make sense to Americans. Eg the other day I went to watch dc play a sport and he yelled ‘where’s dad?’ to me from the pitch and I fake yelled back ‘he doesn’t love you any more!’ And 2 of my American mom friends were like - wow. But not like French rude Eg ‘you and your work are disappointing’.

But the brownie thing was rude in a new way

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Totally rude but also… why do you need a boxed mix? It’s not that much harder to make from scratch. And it’s good for the kids to see real ingredients and measure them.

Op - bc I was making a sh*t ton of other food and ds2 is 8 so wanted him to have a recipe he could be pretty independent about while I was busy. I plonked him down with bowl and mix and eggs and oil and measuring cup and some extra chocolates to add in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally rude but also… why do you need a boxed mix? It’s not that much harder to make from scratch. And it’s good for the kids to see real ingredients and measure them.

Op - bc I was making a sh*t ton of other food and ds2 is 8 so wanted him to have a recipe he could be pretty independent about while I was busy. I plonked him down with bowl and mix and eggs and oil and measuring cup and some extra chocolates to add in.

Unless your 8 year old has taken extensive food safety courses, you are going to find that few here eat brownies made by a child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Totally rude but also… why do you need a boxed mix? It’s not that much harder to make from scratch. And it’s good for the kids to see real ingredients and measure them.

Op - bc I was making a sh*t ton of other food and ds2 is 8 so wanted him to have a recipe he could be pretty independent about while I was busy. I plonked him down with bowl and mix and eggs and oil and measuring cup and some extra chocolates to add in.

Unless your 8 year old has taken extensive food safety courses, you are going to find that few here eat brownies made by a child.

Speaking of rude...

There are some strange folks on DCUM but ordinary people would eat brownies, from scratch or from a box mix, mixed by an adult or a non-adult.