No one ever said that there aren't female fools. |
Pope Francis has entered the chat. |
We want to control what MEN can do with OUR bodies. |
Aw, you're one of those uneducated "sex work is work" pick-mes, aren't you? |
Your post is garbled, but if you're saying nobody gets paid 150k to do this, you're absolutely wrong. yes they do. |
Well, but most of Europe. Maybe most of France and Italy. Certainly not Germany. |
New poster here. Nobody is getting paid 150k to be a surrogate. A couple might pay 150k, yet perhaps 1/3 of that would reach the surrogate. There are advertising fees, legal fees, liability, overhead, salaries, and profit taken out. The receptionist is going to be making more than the woman you're paying to carry your pregnancy and give birth to your child. |
My sister lives in Italy, is married to an Italian man, and has been an Italian citizen for nearly 20 years. They had an incredibly hard time conceiving. She was dead set against surrogacy, which is fine and was her personal choice so they ended up researching adoption. Due to their advanced age 39 and 40, they were told they would never be able to adopt an infant. They would at best be able to adopt a 7 or 8-year-old. They opted for IVF. The Italian government pays for 5 rounds and they ended up having a girl after the 5th round.
I think it's extremely irrational and irresponsible to outlaw surrogacy while at the same time sponsoring IVF. Especially in a country that struggles with birth rates so much. |
I'm not taking any morality lessons from Italians or the church. Forced separation and shipping children over to the US as orphans if they were born to unwed mothers. Watch the 60 Minutes segment below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTxc-PxvK7k |
More people will opt just not to have kids. |
We don’t even allow newborn puppies to be taken from their mothers because it’s cruel. It is absolute insanity that we are supposed to pretend that a baby yanked from its birth mother moments after birth does not grieve and is not aware of that. Babies recognize the scent, sound, feel, and more of their biological mothers. Yet we are supposed to pretend all of these doesn’t happen to preserve the feelings of adults. |
Personally, I think it is extremely irrational and irresponsible to encourage surrogacy. It’s harmful to women and to babies. |
This is incredibly naive What if your circumstances change and you decide later on during pregnancy that you don’t want to have the child? Or what if you don’t even know that you are pregnant until you are past 12 weeks? Plenty of women have elective abortions beyond 12 weeks that have nothing to do with not being able to afford it earlier. |
Yet pro-choice groups were outraged when DeSantis suggested the same for Florida. |
Europe is secular. Italy is only slightly less secular. |