Italy, France, Germany, and Spain outlaw surrogacy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There doesn’t seem to be any real discussion of the short-term and long-term effects to the surrogate. Being pregnant comes with numerous risk factors. Multiple pregnancies are dangerous and there are long-teen effects. Women often don’t talk about them because it is embarrassing to talk about leaking urine, having your pelvic floor drop, pain, etc. If you develop gestational diabetes your long-term risk of cardiovascular disease does up. Europe tends to be more of a nanny state so protects people from making foolish decisions that will effect you long term.

Here is one article that explains some of them: https://www.health.harvard.edu/womens-health/pregnancys-lasting-toll

“ Carrying a child and giving birth, whether vaginally or by cesarean section, can stress muscles, ligaments, and nerves responsible for sexual function and bladder and bowel control. While genetics certainly play a part, pregnancy by itself can lead to later problems such as pelvic pain, urine or stool leakage, or sagging or bulging pelvic structures known as pelvic organ prolapse. And the odds of these problems rise with the number of babies you've delivered — especially vaginally — along with their birth weight, Harvard experts say.”

Then some surrogates will need to have a c section.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There doesn’t seem to be any real discussion of the short-term and long-term effects to the surrogate. Being pregnant comes with numerous risk factors. Multiple pregnancies are dangerous and there are long-teen effects. Women often don’t talk about them because it is embarrassing to talk about leaking urine, having your pelvic floor drop, pain, etc. If you develop gestational diabetes your long-term risk of cardiovascular disease does up. Europe tends to be more of a nanny state so protects people from making foolish decisions that will effect you long term.

Here is one article that explains some of them: https://www.health.harvard.edu/womens-health/pregnancys-lasting-toll

“ Carrying a child and giving birth, whether vaginally or by cesarean section, can stress muscles, ligaments, and nerves responsible for sexual function and bladder and bowel control. While genetics certainly play a part, pregnancy by itself can lead to later problems such as pelvic pain, urine or stool leakage, or sagging or bulging pelvic structures known as pelvic organ prolapse. And the odds of these problems rise with the number of babies you've delivered — especially vaginally — along with their birth weight, Harvard experts say.”

Then some surrogates will need to have a c section.

The people hiring surrogates do not care about the welfare of the surrogate.

[Anonymous]

Who wouldn’t want to support something like this? So moral, so right:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

Summary: Couple catches a surrogate drinking alcohol, forces her to abort the baby at 20 weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who wouldn’t want to support something like this? So moral, so right:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

Summary: Couple catches a surrogate drinking alcohol, forces her to abort the baby at 20 weeks.

Tell the whole story, please:
"Marty and Melinda asked for their surrogate to terminate the pregnancy for breach of contract and she complied. They 'cut ties and moved on.'

'Luckily our surrogate was communicative and respected our wishes and we just left it there,' Marty explained.

'It gets very complicated with the contract and so on, so we handled the matter outside of the agency and ensured the surrogate was well compensated.'

After doing yet more research, he and Melinda went with a more well established surrogacy agency in California, which they found had a more stringent vetting service, such as only employing surrogates who had birthed children previously."

The surrogate wasn't forced to abort. She agreed to abort.

The answer is not to ban surrogacy. The answer is to regulate this procedure a lot better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who wouldn’t want to support something like this? So moral, so right:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

Summary: Couple catches a surrogate drinking alcohol, forces her to abort the baby at 20 weeks.

Tell the whole story, please:
"Marty and Melinda asked for their surrogate to terminate the pregnancy for breach of contract and she complied. They 'cut ties and moved on.'

'Luckily our surrogate was communicative and respected our wishes and we just left it there,' Marty explained.

'It gets very complicated with the contract and so on, so we handled the matter outside of the agency and ensured the surrogate was well compensated.'

After doing yet more research, he and Melinda went with a more well established surrogacy agency in California, which they found had a more stringent vetting service, such as only employing surrogates who had birthed children previously."

The surrogate wasn't forced to abort. She agreed to abort.

The answer is not to ban surrogacy. The answer is to regulate this procedure a lot better.

My God, you are actually defending a 20-week abortion like this? I’m pro-choice (with limits) and even I can admit this is wholly immoral.

There is no more story to tell here. A child was killed, a woman was exploited, and a horrific couple is going to become parents. This is awful on all counts.

As said above, you people apparently view the Handmaid’s Tale as an instruction manual.

[Anonymous]

If you want to know how those who hire surrogates feel about the surrogate, go to any online forum dealing with the subject. Better yet, read a surrogacy contract. Many intended parents require a surrogate to forego pain relief during labor. Surrogates must get approval from their “employer” before taking any medication or undergoing any medical care. There are, of course, exceptions for emergencies, but the surrogate is viewed as a piece of property, not a human.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want to know how those who hire surrogates feel about the surrogate, go to any online forum dealing with the subject. Better yet, read a surrogacy contract. Many intended parents require a surrogate to forego pain relief during labor. Surrogates must get approval from their “employer” before taking any medication or undergoing any medical care. There are, of course, exceptions for emergencies, but the surrogate is viewed as a piece of property, not a human.

You can see it here. The dehumanizing language pro-surrogacy posters here use has been present for years. They view surrogates as less than human.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who wouldn’t want to support something like this? So moral, so right:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

Summary: Couple catches a surrogate drinking alcohol, forces her to abort the baby at 20 weeks.

Tell the whole story, please:
[i]"Marty and Melinda asked for their surrogate to terminate the pregnancy for breach of contract and she complied. They 'cut ties and moved on.

Well the baby was their property so I guess the surrogate agreed to go along with what they wanted. Otherwise I guess they'd have had to see what provisions there are to terminate the contract and what happens to the property in the event that the employers no longer want the baby due to surrogate's breach of the terms. The contract may specify that the surrogate can keep the property in that case, but if the employers' genetic material was used, they may not want the surrogate, or anyone else, to take possession of that property, and thus the property has to be destroyed. The surrogate probably doesn't care if the gets paid the same amount, but then again, the employers may attempt to prorate the payment based on the amount of weeks she carried the pregnancy.

What's really amazing here is there's nothing about any damage to the fetus from the drinking. Drinking during pregnancy is wrong, certainly, but wild to think that parents who desperately wanted a child are willing to just abort it because one thing went wrong that might potentially make their baby less than perfect. How will they function in the real world when they have an actual child and that child messes up or is injured in some way? What if the child has a birth injury? Do they leave it in the hospital?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who wouldn’t want to support something like this? So moral, so right:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13988521/I-caught-surrogate-drinking-alcohol-abort-baby.html

Summary: Couple catches a surrogate drinking alcohol, forces her to abort the baby at 20 weeks.

Tell the whole story, please:
[i]"Marty and Melinda asked for their surrogate to terminate the pregnancy for breach of contract and she complied. They 'cut ties and moved on.

Well the baby was their property so I guess the surrogate agreed to go along with what they wanted. Otherwise I guess they'd have had to see what provisions there are to terminate the contract and what happens to the property in the event that the employers no longer want the baby due to surrogate's breach of the terms. The contract may specify that the surrogate can keep the property in that case, but if the employers' genetic material was used, they may not want the surrogate, or anyone else, to take possession of that property, and thus the property has to be destroyed. The surrogate probably doesn't care if the gets paid the same amount, but then again, the employers may attempt to prorate the payment based on the amount of weeks she carried the pregnancy.

What's really amazing here is there's nothing about any damage to the fetus from the drinking. Drinking during pregnancy is wrong, certainly, but wild to think that parents who desperately wanted a child are willing to just abort it because one thing went wrong that might potentially make their baby less than perfect. How will they function in the real world when they have an actual child and that child messes up or is injured in some way? What if the child has a birth injury? Do they leave it in the hospital?

Yeah, it’s pretty clear they are terrible people who have no business raising a child, and who are clearly going to be horrific parents, but here we are.

Wait until the kid they bought is old enough to Google her parents’ names. 😳