Uptake of 2024-25 Covid Booster

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Anonymous wrote:Only on DCUM would there be a thread of people foaming at the mouth for a Covid vaccine, and hoping and praying the uptake numbers go up. I bet you’re all still masking too. When does it stop? Are you going to do this for the rest of your life?

Good god, move on!

Says the person obsessively monitoring any covid-related thread so you can jump on and offer nothing more than this basic neg?

When does it stop? Are you going to do this for the rest of your life?

When you stop posting this crap. So, essentially never. We can go on forever.

One group of people is trying to stay up-to-date on public health. The other is just here to shittalk like there isn't a disease going around causing harm.

Group A will keep going because it's supportive of life. Group B needs to get a life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on DCUM would there be a thread of people foaming at the mouth for a Covid vaccine, and hoping and praying the uptake numbers go up. I bet you’re all still masking too. When does it stop? Are you going to do this for the rest of your life?

Good god, move on!

Says the person obsessively monitoring any covid-related thread so you can jump on and offer nothing more than this basic neg?

When does it stop? Are you going to do this for the rest of your life?

When you stop posting this crap. So, essentially never. We can go on forever.

One group of people [/b]is trying to stay up-to-date on public health. [b]The other is just here to shittalk like there isn't a disease going around causing harm.

Group A will keep going because it's supportive of life. Group B needs to get a life.

I think you are the one that needs a life. Or some therapy. How’s basement life?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

DP. I'm pro getting a Covid shot, but I think a lot more people would be on board if we followed the guidelines from northern Europe that were a lot more relaxed (less shots for young kids whose bodies build their own longer lasting antibodies faster because they are little, only one shot for the previously infected, etc.).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Only on DCUM would there be a thread of people foaming at the mouth for a Covid vaccine, and hoping and praying the uptake numbers go up. I bet you’re all still masking too. When does it stop? Are you going to do this for the rest of your life?

Good god, move on!

Says the person obsessively monitoring any covid-related thread so you can jump on and offer nothing more than this basic neg?

When does it stop? Are you going to do this for the rest of your life?

When you stop posting this crap. So, essentially never. We can go on forever.

One group of people is trying to stay up-to-date on public health. The other is just here to shittalk like there isn't a disease going around causing harm.

Group A will keep going because it's supportive of life. Group B needs to get a life.

Ummm ok? Given that people are getting the flu shot and other childhood vaccines is greater numbers, that doesn’t seem like a tenable interpretation. And you can’t claim it’s all “MAGA” either unless 95% of parents are MAGA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

One reason for the higher covid hospitalizations for infants and very young children is that many of these children are co-infected with RSV. The CDC buries this information in its presentations, but it is a significant factor, particularly in pediatric ICU and ventilation cases. One hallmark of RSV is that it strikes healthy, very young kids, which matches the profile of those very young kids that are sickest with covid. But in these co-infection cases, it's the RSV driving the poor outcome, not covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

One reason for the higher covid hospitalizations for infants and very young children is that many of these children are co-infected with RSV. The CDC buries this information in its presentations, but it is a significant factor, particularly in pediatric ICU and ventilation cases. One hallmark of RSV is that it strikes healthy, very young kids, which matches the profile of those very young kids that are sickest with covid. But in these co-infection cases, it's the RSV driving the poor outcome, not covid.

Well that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the covid vaccine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

One reason for the higher covid hospitalizations for infants and very young children is that many of these children are co-infected with RSV. The CDC buries this information in its presentations, but it is a significant factor, particularly in pediatric ICU and ventilation cases. One hallmark of RSV is that it strikes healthy, very young kids, which matches the profile of those very young kids that are sickest with covid. But in these co-infection cases, it's the RSV driving the poor outcome, not covid.

Well that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the covid vaccine.

The argument a PP was making was that infants/very young children are particularly at risk from covid vis a vis other children. The point is that covid itself is not generating many of these more severe outcomes in the very young, but rather the driver is often an RSV co-infection in infants and very young children that the CDC seldom mentions. People can vaccinate their children for whatever reason they choose. But, covid, itself, is not posing as great a threat to infants/very young children as the aggregate data suggests because this data does not strip out cases of RSV co-infections.

You can see this view if you look abroad. Nearly all other nations don't recommend covid boosters for children. But Germany goes even farther. They don't recommend boosters or the initial covid vaccine series for healthy infants/children of any age. They argue that almost no healthy child gets severely ill from covid itself. "The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) currently recommends that babies, (young) children and adolescents without underlying conditions do not require vaccination against COVID-19 on account of the mostly mild courses of disease with a very low likelihood of needing hospitalisation." https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination.html

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Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

One reason for the higher covid hospitalizations for infants and very young children is that many of these children are co-infected with RSV. The CDC buries this information in its presentations, but it is a significant factor, particularly in pediatric ICU and ventilation cases. One hallmark of RSV is that it strikes healthy, very young kids, which matches the profile of those very young kids that are sickest with covid. But in these co-infection cases, it's the RSV driving the poor outcome, not covid.

Well that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the covid vaccine.

The argument a PP was making was that infants/very young children are particularly at risk from covid vis a vis other children. The point is that covid itself is not generating many of these more severe outcomes in the very young, but rather the driver is often an RSV co-infection in infants and very young children that the CDC seldom mentions. People can vaccinate their children for whatever reason they choose. But, covid, itself, is not posing as great a threat to infants/very young children as the aggregate data suggests because this data does not strip out cases of RSV co-infections.

You can see this view if you look abroad. Nearly all other nations don't recommend covid boosters for children. But Germany goes even farther. They don't recommend boosters or the initial covid vaccine series for healthy infants/children of any age. They argue that almost no healthy child gets severely ill from covid itself. "The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) currently recommends that babies, (young) children and adolescents without underlying conditions do not require vaccination against COVID-19 on account of the mostly mild courses of disease with a very low likelihood of needing hospitalisation." https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination.html

that still makes no sense. even if it’s covid+RSV that causes infant hospitalization/death, that doesn’t indicate that covid vax won’t help.

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Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

One reason for the higher covid hospitalizations for infants and very young children is that many of these children are co-infected with RSV. The CDC buries this information in its presentations, but it is a significant factor, particularly in pediatric ICU and ventilation cases. One hallmark of RSV is that it strikes healthy, very young kids, which matches the profile of those very young kids that are sickest with covid. But in these co-infection cases, it's the RSV driving the poor outcome, not covid.

Well that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the covid vaccine.

The argument a PP was making was that infants/very young children are particularly at risk from covid vis a vis other children. The point is that covid itself is not generating many of these more severe outcomes in the very young, but rather the driver is often an RSV co-infection in infants and very young children that the CDC seldom mentions. People can vaccinate their children for whatever reason they choose. But, covid, itself, is not posing as great a threat to infants/very young children as the aggregate data suggests because this data does not strip out cases of RSV co-infections.

You can see this view if you look abroad. Nearly all other nations don't recommend covid boosters for children. But Germany goes even farther. They don't recommend boosters or the initial covid vaccine series for healthy infants/children of any age. They argue that almost no healthy child gets severely ill from covid itself. "The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) currently recommends that babies, (young) children and adolescents without underlying conditions do not require vaccination against COVID-19 on account of the mostly mild courses of disease with a very low likelihood of needing hospitalisation." https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination.html

that still makes no sense. even if it’s covid+RSV that causes infant hospitalization/death, that doesn’t indicate that covid vax won’t help.

It's not clear what role covid is playing in the adverse co-infection outcomes, particularly since the majority of covid infections are asymptomatic. All vaccines, even long established ones, carry some risks. You only administer a vaccine if benefits exceed risks. The aggregate number of pediatric severe covid outcomes, even with RSV co-infections, is very small.

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Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

One reason for the higher covid hospitalizations for infants and very young children is that many of these children are co-infected with RSV. The CDC buries this information in its presentations, but it is a significant factor, particularly in pediatric ICU and ventilation cases. One hallmark of RSV is that it strikes healthy, very young kids, which matches the profile of those very young kids that are sickest with covid. But in these co-infection cases, it's the RSV driving the poor outcome, not covid.

Well that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the covid vaccine.

The argument a PP was making was that infants/very young children are particularly at risk from covid vis a vis other children. The point is that covid itself is not generating many of these more severe outcomes in the very young, but rather the driver is often an RSV co-infection in infants and very young children that the CDC seldom mentions. People can vaccinate their children for whatever reason they choose. But, covid, itself, is not posing as great a threat to infants/very young children as the aggregate data suggests because this data does not strip out cases of RSV co-infections.

You can see this view if you look abroad. Nearly all other nations don't recommend covid boosters for children. But Germany goes even farther. They don't recommend boosters or the initial covid vaccine series for healthy infants/children of any age. They argue that almost no healthy child gets severely ill from covid itself. "The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) currently recommends that babies, (young) children and adolescents without underlying conditions do not require vaccination against COVID-19 on account of the mostly mild courses of disease with a very low likelihood of needing hospitalisation." https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination.html

that still makes no sense. even if it’s covid+RSV that causes infant hospitalization/death, that doesn’t indicate that covid vax won’t help.

It's not clear what role covid is playing in the adverse co-infection outcomes, particularly since the majority of covid infections are asymptomatic. All vaccines, even long established ones, carry some risks. You only administer a vaccine if benefits exceed risks. The aggregate number of pediatric severe covid outcomes, even with RSV co-infections, is very small.

I think your viewpoint that severe covid outcomes are not established for infants needs to be supported. Everything I’ve read is that the risk for 0-4 is high.

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Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

One reason for the higher covid hospitalizations for infants and very young children is that many of these children are co-infected with RSV. The CDC buries this information in its presentations, but it is a significant factor, particularly in pediatric ICU and ventilation cases. One hallmark of RSV is that it strikes healthy, very young kids, which matches the profile of those very young kids that are sickest with covid. But in these co-infection cases, it's the RSV driving the poor outcome, not covid.

Well that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the covid vaccine.

The argument a PP was making was that infants/very young children are particularly at risk from covid vis a vis other children. The point is that covid itself is not generating many of these more severe outcomes in the very young, but rather the driver is often an RSV co-infection in infants and very young children that the CDC seldom mentions. People can vaccinate their children for whatever reason they choose. But, covid, itself, is not posing as great a threat to infants/very young children as the aggregate data suggests because this data does not strip out cases of RSV co-infections.

You can see this view if you look abroad. Nearly all other nations don't recommend covid boosters for children. But Germany goes even farther. They don't recommend boosters or the initial covid vaccine series for healthy infants/children of any age. They argue that almost no healthy child gets severely ill from covid itself. "The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) currently recommends that babies, (young) children and adolescents without underlying conditions do not require vaccination against COVID-19 on account of the mostly mild courses of disease with a very low likelihood of needing hospitalisation." https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination.html

that still makes no sense. even if it’s covid+RSV that causes infant hospitalization/death, that doesn’t indicate that covid vax won’t help.

It's not clear what role covid is playing in the adverse co-infection outcomes, particularly since the majority of covid infections are asymptomatic. All vaccines, even long established ones, carry some risks. You only administer a vaccine if benefits exceed risks. The aggregate number of pediatric severe covid outcomes, even with RSV co-infections, is very small.

I think your viewpoint that severe covid outcomes are not established for infants needs to be supported. Everything I’ve read is that the risk for 0-4 is high.

As of 9/1/24, ages 0-4 have a covid monthly death rate per 100,000 of population of 0.01. That is very small. That is why nearly every other nation does not recommend boosters for children. Severe covid outcomes are overwhelmingly concentrated in those 75 years and older.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime

Covid Monthly Death Rates per 100,000 population
0-4yrs 0.01
5-11yrs 0.00
12-17yrs 0.02
18-29yrs 0.02
30-39yrs 0.04
40-49yrs 0.16
50-64yrs 0.49
65-74yrs 2.33
75+yrs 14.70

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Anonymous wrote:As of 10/29, 9% of Virginians have taken the 2024-25 covid booster. Uptake continues to be concentrated in the elderly, with roughly 3% of children having received the new booster. The pace of uptake for both covid and flu vaccines slowed somewhat into the end of October. https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/epidemiology/respiratory-diseases-in-virginia/data/vaccines/

Virginia, % of age group to receive 2024-25 covid booster (as of 10/29/24)
All ages (6 mo+): 8.6%
0-4 years 2.8%
5-11 years 3.2%
12-17 years 3.3%
18-30 years 3.1%
31-49 years 5.6%
50-64 years 9.6%
65+ years 24.8%

those numbers really are stunningly low!

They appear low for several reasons:
1) The CDC puts out inflated vaccine uptake estimates based on a flawed phone survey, which makes people think more people are taking the booster than actually are. The 22% or 23% oft-cited uptake figure for last year was a CDC-created mirage. Based on actual state data, the true uptake share last year was around 16%. The data shown here is actual data, not inflated CDC creations.
2) Covid hospitalizations and deaths are concentrated in the elderly which makes younger people less interested in covid vaccines.
3) There has been limited uptake of children's covid vaccines, even for children who receive flu vaccines. For ages 6mo-4 years, 6 times as many VA children receive the flu vaccine as the covid vaccine (16.4% flu, 2.8% covid uptake). For adults, this falls to 2x the number of flu vaccines than covid vaccines. The scant uptake of covid boosters in children likely reflects that the fact that there is almost no chance of severe covid outcomes for healthy children which is why nearly all other nations do not recommend covid boosters for children.
4) Covid vaccines for children 6mo-11 years are not FDA approved but are being administered under emergency use authorization. Parents may be more comfortable giving children an FDA approved flu vaccine than a covid vaccine which does not have FDA approval.

yeah I get all that. I just think it’s a very strange and interesting scenario where the CDC’s official line is to still get the vaccine even for the kids for whom it has the worst risk-benefit profile … while failing to communicate that the pediatric vax would be most beneficial for infants (who are in fact higher risk). and of course thinking back on the extreme rush to get vaccines, the way you used to have to prove vaccination to get into bars! And I had a coworker almost fired for not wanting to get vaxxed!

Not getting ANY covid shot, ever, is extremely stupid. The sterilizing immunity does wear off, but the long lasting neutralizing antibodies do not. If you never get vaccinated, you have absolutely no protection.

You get protection from infection too … At this point every adult has been vaccinated or gotten covid. That’s why the CDC should put more emphasis on babies getting vaccinated since they are immune naive and more at risk from getting covid.

One reason for the higher covid hospitalizations for infants and very young children is that many of these children are co-infected with RSV. The CDC buries this information in its presentations, but it is a significant factor, particularly in pediatric ICU and ventilation cases. One hallmark of RSV is that it strikes healthy, very young kids, which matches the profile of those very young kids that are sickest with covid. But in these co-infection cases, it's the RSV driving the poor outcome, not covid.

Well that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the covid vaccine.

The argument a PP was making was that infants/very young children are particularly at risk from covid vis a vis other children. The point is that covid itself is not generating many of these more severe outcomes in the very young, but rather the driver is often an RSV co-infection in infants and very young children that the CDC seldom mentions. People can vaccinate their children for whatever reason they choose. But, covid, itself, is not posing as great a threat to infants/very young children as the aggregate data suggests because this data does not strip out cases of RSV co-infections.

You can see this view if you look abroad. Nearly all other nations don't recommend covid boosters for children. But Germany goes even farther. They don't recommend boosters or the initial covid vaccine series for healthy infants/children of any age. They argue that almost no healthy child gets severely ill from covid itself. "The Standing Committee on Vaccination (STIKO) currently recommends that babies, (young) children and adolescents without underlying conditions do not require vaccination against COVID-19 on account of the mostly mild courses of disease with a very low likelihood of needing hospitalisation." https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination.html

that still makes no sense. even if it’s covid+RSV that causes infant hospitalization/death, that doesn’t indicate that covid vax won’t help.

It's not clear what role covid is playing in the adverse co-infection outcomes, particularly since the majority of covid infections are asymptomatic. All vaccines, even long established ones, carry some risks. You only administer a vaccine if benefits exceed risks. The aggregate number of pediatric severe covid outcomes, even with RSV co-infections, is very small.

I think your viewpoint that severe covid outcomes are not established for infants needs to be supported. Everything I’ve read is that the risk for 0-4 is high.

As of 9/1/24, ages 0-4 have a covid monthly death rate per 100,000 of population of 0.01. That is very small. That is why nearly every other nation does not recommend boosters for children. Severe covid outcomes are overwhelmingly concentrated in those 75 years and older.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime

Covid Monthly Death Rates per 100,000 population
0-4yrs 0.01
5-11yrs 0.00
12-17yrs 0.02
18-29yrs 0.02
30-39yrs 0.04
40-49yrs 0.16
50-64yrs 0.49
65-74yrs 2.33
75+yrs 14.70

+1

And this doesn’t even take into account how many of those deaths in the 75 plus group were vaccinated individuals.

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I took my kids to the pediatrician last week and they got the flu vaccine. I wasn’t even offered the COVID vaccine for them. That’s interesting.