Can't Understand Jeep's Popularity

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I had a Jeep Cherokee and a Jeep Wrangler. Both were 4wd. The Cherokee did much better in the snow than the Wrangler. The Wrangler didn’t do terrible, but the Cherokee was a beast in the snow.

[Anonymous]

Most of the Jeep owners I’ve seen are MAGA sided.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s an acceptable lower priced vehicle for UMC just like Subaru.

They can be quite expensive

Yup. Jeeps are $$$$$$ for what you get.

You'd have to try really hard to spend over $40K on a Subaru. And, frankly, my Subaru has driven fine on the beach and ORV trails alongside Jeeps. And I've blown past spun out Jeeps in heavy winter conditions.

98% of people driving Jeeps will never rock crawl or go muddin'. They really should just be driving Subarus.

All the SUV's I looked at were at least in the 50's - ford, hyundai, etc... nothing fancy.

Not all jeeps are 4 wheel or awd. The basic sport model is very no thrills.

We have both a Outback and a Wrangler Unlimited. In snow, our Outback sits. Tried to get it out during a deep 30 plus inch snow once. Rocking it turned on every warning light on! With the Jeep, just bounce it off the rev limiter until you stop. Then back up 50 feet and hit it again! My Jeep has 3PMS KO2s so it does really well in snow. Mud tires do not do well in snow on any SUV. When the Outback dies we will be getting a newer Wrangler to replace it. We need something high enough that a deer won't come into the windshield during a 50 mph + collision.

So your wrangler with snow tires does better in the snow than a stock outback? OK

DP

Not snow tires, but rather All-Terrain tires. They’re one step down from Mud Terrain tires, which are the most aggressive tread pattern you can get. Snow tires are their own unique thing with special rubber compounds that will be quickly destroyed on warm dry roads.

But a Jeep or other true 4-wheel-drive platform with All-Terrain tires will absolutely outperform any AWD type car in snow. Zero question of that.

"Severe Snow Rated"

https://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/auto/tires/all-terrain-t-a-ko2

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Anonymous wrote:Cause they are “cool”.

No, some people think they look cool and outdoorsy and then make them look cool and outdoorsy. Nope. You look like tools.

Enjoy your Prius!!

NP. Ivy had a Prius and a Jeep Wrangler. Wrangler was more fun, Prius was more practical for my commute.

If I had some extra money, I wouldn’t mind having a Jeep for a weekend car, but today’s Jeeps are too expensive and a little more plush than the one I had. I miss the days of utility Jeeps- stick shift only, no air conditioning, no power windows…etc

Your Jeep had windows?

Windows? My first one didn't even have doors.

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Why do you have to understand it to make it understandable
To others? Stupidest post ever.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s an acceptable lower priced vehicle for UMC just like Subaru.

They can be quite expensive

Yup. Jeeps are $$$$$$ for what you get.

You'd have to try really hard to spend over $40K on a Subaru. And, frankly, my Subaru has driven fine on the beach and ORV trails alongside Jeeps. And I've blown past spun out Jeeps in heavy winter conditions.

98% of people driving Jeeps will never rock crawl or go muddin'. They really should just be driving Subarus.

All the SUV's I looked at were at least in the 50's - ford, hyundai, etc... nothing fancy.

Not all jeeps are 4 wheel or awd. The basic sport model is very no thrills.

We have both a Outback and a Wrangler Unlimited. In snow, our Outback sits. Tried to get it out during a deep 30 plus inch snow once. Rocking it turned on every warning light on! With the Jeep, just bounce it off the rev limiter until you stop. Then back up 50 feet and hit it again! My Jeep has 3PMS KO2s so it does really well in snow. Mud tires do not do well in snow on any SUV. When the Outback dies we will be getting a newer Wrangler to replace it. We need something high enough that a deer won't come into the windshield during a 50 mph + collision.

So your wrangler with snow tires does better in the snow than a stock outback? OK

DP

Not snow tires, but rather All-Terrain tires. They’re one step down from Mud Terrain tires, which are the most aggressive tread pattern you can get. Snow tires are their own unique thing with special rubber compounds that will be quickly destroyed on warm dry roads.

But a Jeep or other true 4-wheel-drive platform with All-Terrain tires will absolutely outperform any AWD type car in snow. Zero question of that.

"Severe Snow Rated"

https://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/auto/tires/all-terrain-t-a-ko2

Yes. Because it’s an All Terrain (NOT All-Season) tire.

All-Season tires are pavement-only tires. They will not provide traction off-road in mud or sand or rocks, and are of lightweight construction that will quickly be damaged or destroyed from off-road use.

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Anonymous wrote:Cause they are “cool”.

No, some people think they look cool and outdoorsy and then make them look cool and outdoorsy. Nope. You look like tools.

Enjoy your Prius!!

NP. Ivy had a Prius and a Jeep Wrangler. Wrangler was more fun, Prius was more practical for my commute.

If I had some extra money, I wouldn’t mind having a Jeep for a weekend car, but today’s Jeeps are too expensive and a little more plush than the one I had. I miss the days of utility Jeeps- stick shift only, no air conditioning, no power windows…etc

Your Jeep had windows?

Windows? My first one didn't even have doors.

Mine came with doors. I haven’t seen them in years though. Don’t even know where they are.

[Anonymous]

Jeeps in the 1990’s had solid engines. Not as good since then . I tend to think people are buying on nostalgia, but modern Jeeps on not simple fun rides now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jeeps in the 1990’s had solid engines. Not as good since then . I tend to think people are buying on nostalgia, but modern Jeeps on not simple fun rides now.

Blame the US govt, specifically, the EPA. The 242/258/4.OL series of in-line six cylinder engines that Jeeps used from the 1950’s through 2006 were some of the most reliable engines that have ever been put in a vehicle.

But the federal mandates to squeeze more and more fractions of a mile out of each vehicle extrapolated over a fleet of millions of vehicles produced annually dictated getting rid of one of the best engines that has ever existed, and replacing it with a a far more complicated, harder working, higher compression, shorter-lived DOHC V6.

The current Pentastar V6 isn’t a bad motor….but it will never have the reliability or longevity of the inline 6 it replaced. Even though it makes 100 MORE horsepower than the old 4.0L, it still feels less powerful. And this switch was made just to achieve a .7 mpg improvement over the old engine.


The government f**ks up everything they touch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’re still coasting off the Jeep name. Eventually people will figure out that they are crap. The last real Jeeps were made up until about 2003.

I just test drove a Grand Highlander and then a Jeep Grand Cherokee L - I don’t know if you consider it a “real Jeep” or not but it’s hella more fun to drive and reminds me of the Jeep I had in the 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:Jeeps in the 1990’s had solid engines. Not as good since then . I tend to think people are buying on nostalgia, but modern Jeeps on not simple fun rides now.

Blame the US govt, specifically, the EPA. The 242/258/4.OL series of in-line six cylinder engines that Jeeps used from the 1950’s through 2006 were some of the most reliable engines that have ever been put in a vehicle.

But the federal mandates to squeeze more and more fractions of a mile out of each vehicle extrapolated over a fleet of millions of vehicles produced annually dictated getting rid of one of the best engines that has ever existed, and replacing it with a a far more complicated, harder working, higher compression, shorter-lived DOHC V6.

The current Pentastar V6 isn’t a bad motor….but it will never have the reliability or longevity of the inline 6 it replaced. Even though it makes 100 MORE horsepower than the old 4.0L, it still feels less powerful. And this switch was made just to achieve a .7 mpg improvement over the old engine.


The government f**ks up everything they touch.

This.

AMC created the engine back in the 50s and kept improving it, slowly. Engineers from Toyota specifically copied this planning and improvement process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you have to understand it to make it understandable
To others? Stupidest post ever.

Agreed. I absolutely hate wranglers and would never buy one. I find it pathetic when people use their vehicle to project some sort of wanna be personality trait. But I think grand Cherokee track hawks are pretty rad. To each their own.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jeeps in the 1990’s had solid engines. Not as good since then . I tend to think people are buying on nostalgia, but modern Jeeps on not simple fun rides now.

Blame the US govt, specifically, the EPA. The 242/258/4.OL series of in-line six cylinder engines that Jeeps used from the 1950’s through 2006 were some of the most reliable engines that have ever been put in a vehicle.

But the federal mandates to squeeze more and more fractions of a mile out of each vehicle extrapolated over a fleet of millions of vehicles produced annually dictated getting rid of one of the best engines that has ever existed, and replacing it with a a far more complicated, harder working, higher compression, shorter-lived DOHC V6.

The current Pentastar V6 isn’t a bad motor….but it will never have the reliability or longevity of the inline 6 it replaced. Even though it makes 100 MORE horsepower than the old 4.0L, it still feels less powerful. And this switch was made just to achieve a .7 mpg improvement over the old engine.


The government f**ks up everything they touch.

Guess PP was right about the MAGAs.

My friend had one back in HS in the 80s (as many HS girls did back then). It got like 8 mph - on the highway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had a Jeep Cherokee and a Jeep Wrangler. Both were 4wd. The Cherokee did much better in the snow than the Wrangler. The Wrangler didn’t do terrible, but the Cherokee was a beast in the snow.

Same. My Jeep Grand Cherokee killed it in the snow, but my 2-door wrangler did not. I think the short wheelbase and lighter weight just made it easier to fish tail unless the snow was over 5"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeeps in the 1990’s had solid engines. Not as good since then . I tend to think people are buying on nostalgia, but modern Jeeps on not simple fun rides now.

Blame the US govt, specifically, the EPA. The 242/258/4.OL series of in-line six cylinder engines that Jeeps used from the 1950’s through 2006 were some of the most reliable engines that have ever been put in a vehicle.

But the federal mandates to squeeze more and more fractions of a mile out of each vehicle extrapolated over a fleet of millions of vehicles produced annually dictated getting rid of one of the best engines that has ever existed, and replacing it with a a far more complicated, harder working, higher compression, shorter-lived DOHC V6.

The current Pentastar V6 isn’t a bad motor….but it will never have the reliability or longevity of the inline 6 it replaced. Even though it makes 100 MORE horsepower than the old 4.0L, it still feels less powerful. And this switch was made just to achieve a .7 mpg improvement over the old engine.


The government f**ks up everything they touch.

This.

AMC created the engine back in the 50s and kept improving it, slowly. Engineers from Toyota specifically copied this planning and improvement process.

Very, very slowly.

Japanese car companies were able to combine continuous improvement *and* innovation to quickly respond to market changes (and not destroy the environment). And they weren’t carrying around the albatross of crappy manufacturing processes.