Wow Stuyvesant in NYC has impressive college results

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I think something like 25000 kids take the SHSAT which is the one shot admissions test for Stuy in fall of 8th grade ( and the other Specialized high schools.) The tippy top of the SHSAT can get Stuy, so about 1000. My kids were admitted to Stuy but chose to go to NYC private. It is a super smart group of kids, but it selects for just those who test well on a pretty tough test.

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The kids taking the shsat are pretty self selecting in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:I think something like 25000 kids take the SHSAT which is the one shot admissions test for Stuy in fall of 8th grade ( and the other Specialized high schools.) The tippy top of the SHSAT can get Stuy, so about 1000. My kids were admitted to Stuy but chose to go to NYC private. It is a super smart group of kids, but it selects for just those who test well on a pretty tough test.

I agree, but the SHSAT is more G loaded than the SAT or the GRE. I think the KSAT used to be as G loaded but they are getting rid of games and the SHSAT is probably going to be more G loaded.

If you have a choice between Stuyvesant and any of the top private schools in NYC, the private schools are better.

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Anonymous wrote:About 10% go to ivies. Many kids (250+) go to SUNYs and CUNYs. It is a class of 900 students.

40% go to Ivies in a typical year

No way. It’s been about 10%, give or take, for a while now.

A Stuy parent.

From the INS link, I see about 30% to Ivies.

Cornell alone took 15%.

But the instagram only has 250 posts that's less thana 1/3 of the graduating class. You think it's possible that the kids that got inot the better schools are more likely to link.
For example I know that a ton of kids go to stonybrook and binghamptom. Each of those schools typically get more stuy grads than cornell but the instagram shows more cornell students than stonybrook and binghamptom combined.

Point taken. But if you told me only 10% stuy goes to Ivies, that is still unbelievably low! For real?

Stuyvesant population gets hit by prejudice and low ratings on likability- see Harvard lawsuit for details. They actually put one of the Stuy college counselors on the stand, and she cried when describing how the kids were treated unfairly.

Study does really well at just below the tippy top level - UChicago, Emory, etc.

Uchicago is one of the ivy-pluses - equivalent to columbia.
Emory is one or two notch below.

If you count all Ivies + MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, JHU, Duke, Caltech, Stuy probably still have about 30%?

Emory isn't below Cornell, even Dartmouth. Not all ivys are the same level.

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Anonymous wrote:I think something like 25000 kids take the SHSAT which is the one shot admissions test for Stuy in fall of 8th grade ( and the other Specialized high schools.) The tippy top of the SHSAT can get Stuy, so about 1000. My kids were admitted to Stuy but chose to go to NYC private. It is a super smart group of kids, but it selects for just those who test well on a pretty tough test.

I agree, but the SHSAT is more G loaded than the SAT or the GRE. I think the KSAT used to be as G loaded but they are getting rid of games and the SHSAT is probably going to be more G loaded.

If you have a choice between Stuyvesant and any of the top private schools in NYC, the private schools are better.

I think your info is dated. shsat hasn't had the scrambled, logical reasoning, or puzzle questions for a few years now. The revising/editing section is still there, which is tricky.

I find the SHSAT hard because it doubles down on "best answer" ie several right answers and you have to pick the best. And the math is quite hard.

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Anonymous wrote:I think something like 25000 kids take the SHSAT which is the one shot admissions test for Stuy in fall of 8th grade ( and the other Specialized high schools.) The tippy top of the SHSAT can get Stuy, so about 1000. My kids were admitted to Stuy but chose to go to NYC private. It is a super smart group of kids, but it selects for just those who test well on a pretty tough test.

I agree, but the SHSAT is more G loaded than the SAT or the GRE. I think the KSAT used to be as G loaded but they are getting rid of games and the SHSAT is probably going to be more G loaded.

If you have a choice between Stuyvesant and any of the top private schools in NYC, the private schools are better.

I think your info is dated. shsat hasn't had the scrambled, logical reasoning, or puzzle questions for a few years now. The revising/editing section is still there, which is tricky.

I find the SHSAT hard because it doubles down on "best answer" ie several right answers and you have to pick the best. And the math is quite hard.

I took it in the 1980s.
Almost all standardized tests were poorly disguised IQ tests back then.

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Anonymous wrote:I think something like 25000 kids take the SHSAT which is the one shot admissions test for Stuy in fall of 8th grade ( and the other Specialized high schools.) The tippy top of the SHSAT can get Stuy, so about 1000. My kids were admitted to Stuy but chose to go to NYC private. It is a super smart group of kids, but it selects for just those who test well on a pretty tough test.

With no writing...All multiple choice. At least all MC in 1995.

And grades and attendance records were not part of admission. Some really smart, but really troubled kids attended when I did.

Plenty of drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think something like 25000 kids take the SHSAT which is the one shot admissions test for Stuy in fall of 8th grade ( and the other Specialized high schools.) The tippy top of the SHSAT can get Stuy, so about 1000. My kids were admitted to Stuy but chose to go to NYC private. It is a super smart group of kids, but it selects for just those who test well on a pretty tough test.

I agree, but the SHSAT is more G loaded than the SAT or the GRE. I think the KSAT used to be as G loaded but they are getting rid of games and the SHSAT is probably going to be more G loaded.

If you have a choice between Stuyvesant and any of the top private schools in NYC, the private schools are better.

I think your info is dated. shsat hasn't had the scrambled, logical reasoning, or puzzle questions for a few years now. The revising/editing section is still there, which is tricky.

I find the SHSAT hard because it doubles down on "best answer" ie several right answers and you have to pick the best. And the math is quite hard.

I took it in the 1980s.
Almost all standardized tests were poorly disguised IQ tests back then.

I took it the late 70’s. Cut off for Stuyvesant was 154 or 156 if I recall correctly. I didn’t make the cut lol.

I did make the cut for and attended Bx Science.

I am a supporter of these schools.

Stuy was our rival in my HS sport but even I have to admit a 154 on that test is quite impressive.

I think the Science cut off was 124 at the time.

That’s a real difference.

Being accepted and graduating from Stuyvesant is quite an accomplishment.

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Anonymous wrote:I think something like 25000 kids take the SHSAT which is the one shot admissions test for Stuy in fall of 8th grade ( and the other Specialized high schools.) The tippy top of the SHSAT can get Stuy, so about 1000. My kids were admitted to Stuy but chose to go to NYC private. It is a super smart group of kids, but it selects for just those who test well on a pretty tough test.

With no writing...All multiple choice. At least all MC in 1995.

And grades and attendance records were not part of admission. Some really smart, but really troubled kids attended when I did.

Plenty of drugs.

Yeah with one guidance counselor.
Cancemi's kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I think something like 25000 kids take the SHSAT which is the one shot admissions test for Stuy in fall of 8th grade ( and the other Specialized high schools.) The tippy top of the SHSAT can get Stuy, so about 1000. My kids were admitted to Stuy but chose to go to NYC private. It is a super smart group of kids, but it selects for just those who test well on a pretty tough test.

I agree, but the SHSAT is more G loaded than the SAT or the GRE. I think the KSAT used to be as G loaded but they are getting rid of games and the SHSAT is probably going to be more G loaded.

If you have a choice between Stuyvesant and any of the top private schools in NYC, the private schools are better.

I think your info is dated. shsat hasn't had the scrambled, logical reasoning, or puzzle questions for a few years now. The revising/editing section is still there, which is tricky.

I find the SHSAT hard because it doubles down on "best answer" ie several right answers and you have to pick the best. And the math is quite hard.

I took it in the 1980s.
Almost all standardized tests were poorly disguised IQ tests back then.

I took it the late 70’s. Cut off for Stuyvesant was 154 or 156 if I recall correctly. I didn’t make the cut lol.

I did make the cut for and attended Bx Science.

I am a supporter of these schools.

Stuy was our rival in my HS sport but even I have to admit a 154 on that test is quite impressive.

I think the Science cut off was 124 at the time.

That’s a real difference.

Being accepted and graduating from Stuyvesant is quite an accomplishment.

I think almost every graduated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stuy are top kids from a MUCH bigger pool than TJ.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Based on most of those students were Asian I doubt this is an official school instagram account. But when you look at city public high schools and especially exam schools a majority of top students are from families who are new to the US, not just Asian countries.

I just looked it up. Stuy is 71% Asian.

TJ used to also be like 70% Asian but after the admissions changes, the last class was like 50% Asian.

Asia is a big continent with lots of cultural and linguistic diversity. Stuy has a much higher proportion of E/SE Asian students than TJ does.

Separately, TJ — before the admissions process change — had disproportionately high S Asian representation (thanks to Curie) unlike E/SE Asian (who were not over-represented relative to the catchment area).

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Anonymous wrote:About 10% go to ivies. Many kids (250+) go to SUNYs and CUNYs. It is a class of 900 students.

40% go to Ivies in a typical year

No way. It’s been about 10%, give or take, for a while now.

A Stuy parent.

From the INS link, I see about 30% to Ivies.

Cornell alone took 15%.

But the instagram only has 250 posts that's less thana 1/3 of the graduating class. You think it's possible that the kids that got inot the better schools are more likely to link.
For example I know that a ton of kids go to stonybrook and binghamptom. Each of those schools typically get more stuy grads than cornell but the instagram shows more cornell students than stonybrook and binghamptom combined.

Point taken. But if you told me only 10% stuy goes to Ivies, that is still unbelievably low! For real?

Stuyvesant population gets hit by prejudice and low ratings on likability- see Harvard lawsuit for details. They actually put one of the Stuy college counselors on the stand, and she cried when describing how the kids were treated unfairly.

Study does really well at just below the tippy top level - UChicago, Emory, etc.

Uchicago is one of the ivy-pluses - equivalent to columbia.
Emory is one or two notch below.

If you count all Ivies + MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, JHU, Duke, Caltech, Stuy probably still have about 30%?

Emory isn't below Cornell, even Dartmouth. Not all ivys are the same level.

Wow, things must have changed a lot since I went to school.
Honestly I would have put it behind UVA
Definitely behind any of the Ivy+ or even Vanderbilt.
I mean it's a great school and you can go anywhere from Emory, all the doors are open, but seems like it used to be a notch below.

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Anonymous wrote:stuy parent here.

https://stuy-talos-bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/media/documents/Matriculation_List__1.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAQXHMI6URNQ5MHS44&Signature=T6jAXVDhyY9v99mKzAO6dXt0AZc%3D&Expires=1719347269

this is from the portal. I'm not sure if you need to sign in (which you couldn't) ,but hopefully you can see it.

two things: racism in admissions is super real. "just another stuy robot" etc etc. it's bullshit. white kids like mine have an easier time.

and: I think it may be hard for DCUM to understand the poverty. many of these kids and their families really struggle. sending a kid far away is not everyone's first choice, esp when the kid is a cultural support.


for example, I dont know that I've ever seen the words "Sophie Davis" here on DCUM, but admissions into Sophie Davis garners far more oohs and ahhs than Harvard. Ditto Macaulay Honors.

also, it's a big class and a big world and stuy reflects it all .. which is awesome. I really love Stuy (and Tech and Bronx Sci etc) and think there are few institutions that catapult kids from poverty to professional class like these schools. my accountant is a stuy grad. my OB is one. the woman who did my will is one. etc etc. All of them landed in the public school system as new arrivals like so many kids are right now. The system isn't perfect, but these schools are jewels.

Most state's magnet schools are the same. It's just VA and SF with these massive magnet schools that aren't filled with poor people.

NP well most people dont know about a similar school in LA or Dallas or Miami. Not w a national name like Stuy.

Stuy boosters are now on DCUM. Sounds like another HS in a crappy neighborhood in Brooklyn.

Stuy is located in the Battery Park City, just below Tribeca and above the Financial District.

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Anonymous wrote:stuy parent here.

https://stuy-talos-bucket.s3.amazonaws.com/media/documents/Matriculation_List__1.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAQXHMI6URNQ5MHS44&Signature=T6jAXVDhyY9v99mKzAO6dXt0AZc%3D&Expires=1719347269

this is from the portal. I'm not sure if you need to sign in (which you couldn't) ,but hopefully you can see it.

two things: racism in admissions is super real. "just another stuy robot" etc etc. it's bullshit. white kids like mine have an easier time.

and: I think it may be hard for DCUM to understand the poverty. many of these kids and their families really struggle. sending a kid far away is not everyone's first choice, esp when the kid is a cultural support.


for example, I dont know that I've ever seen the words "Sophie Davis" here on DCUM, but admissions into Sophie Davis garners far more oohs and ahhs than Harvard. Ditto Macaulay Honors.

also, it's a big class and a big world and stuy reflects it all .. which is awesome. I really love Stuy (and Tech and Bronx Sci etc) and think there are few institutions that catapult kids from poverty to professional class like these schools. my accountant is a stuy grad. my OB is one. the woman who did my will is one. etc etc. All of them landed in the public school system as new arrivals like so many kids are right now. The system isn't perfect, but these schools are jewels.

Most state's magnet schools are the same. It's just VA and SF with these massive magnet schools that aren't filled with poor people.

NP well most people dont know about a similar school in LA or Dallas or Miami. Not w a national name like Stuy.

Stuy boosters are now on DCUM. Sounds like another HS in a crappy neighborhood in Brooklyn.

It's weirdly never been in the Brooklyn "Bed-Stuy" community, which I find a bit ridiculous. It's in Manhattan, so as shitty as a Manhattan neighborhood can be (hint: not very)

The school isn't named after the neighborhood. Rather, both are named for Peter Stuyvesant, the influential Dutch governor of what eventually became New York.