When will ozempic be available to the rest of us?

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

Self inflicted obesity is not in any way remotely like cancer. The victim complex here is ridiculous. I’m sure it’s the food systems fault.

How many cancers are self inflicted by simply doing the job you do or consuming the food you eat or using the products we use?

Thats predictable. It’s not at all self directed. It’s all some external force like the food system.

Or people manage to eat way out of balance, for years, and then compare themselves to people with cancer. Makes a ton of sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

+1. I’ve struggled with depression and anxiety on and off since the early 1990s. The anti obesity drug people are using the same rhetoric people used to talk about mental illness 30 years ago. “Just get out of bed.” “Exercise works wonders for mood. Go for a nice long walk.” “If you get dressed and go out, I promise you’ll feel better.” “Just relax. It’s not that bad”. Sure. Why didn’t I think of that. /s. Basically— mental illness is due to a lack of will power. Mental health parity in health insurance wasn’t required until around 2010. Now we still have a generation of people not getting treatment for mental illness because they were taught it was a moral failing they could will themselves out of. Guess what? It’s not, it a biochemical illness. And yes, therapy can help. But for serious issues, medication saves so many lives. Anyone remember Listening to Prozac? At the time, it was every bit the wonder drug GLP-1s are today. It improved and even saved so many lives. And people who took it were every bit as stigmatized.

Then, because we never learn, we did it all again with substance abuse. Opioid abuse is the mental illness with the highest mortality rate— higher than anorexia or schizophrenia, but we tell people that they can cure themselves through sheer willpower. If you aren’t stopping, it’s a moral failing, not a biochemically based illness. And, now, it’s obesity. And yes, some people can do more exercise/fewer calories and make it work. But for most of them (90%+), the weight comes back. And many people can’t get it off at all.

And here’s the sick part. There is less criticism of people so desperate to lose weight that they undergo dangerous surgery and risk lifelong malabsorption and digestive issues by having bariatric surgery than there is of people who take a weekly medication. Why? Because surgery is dangerous and painful and has a hard recovery, so fat people are “paying” for what must be gluttony, because *I’ve* never had a serious weight issue, and everyone else must be just like me. Taking a shot that is much safer but accomplishes the same thing is just too easy. Fat people don’t deserve a safe, effective treatment for obesity. They did this to themselves and they should really physically suffer to treat obesity. Otherwise, how will they see the error of their ways?

It was gross when people judged mental illness as a moral failing. It’s gross when we judge substance addiction as such. And, its gross that you would rather fat people stay fat or undergo a risky surgery than access a safe and effective medication.

There but for the grace of God…

So get on the Health and Medicine Board to voice your concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

+1. I’ve struggled with depression and anxiety on and off since the early 1990s. The anti obesity drug people are using the same rhetoric people used to talk about mental illness 30 years ago. “Just get out of bed.” “Exercise works wonders for mood. Go for a nice long walk.” “If you get dressed and go out, I promise you’ll feel better.” “Just relax. It’s not that bad”. Sure. Why didn’t I think of that. /s. Basically— mental illness is due to a lack of will power. Mental health parity in health insurance wasn’t required until around 2010. Now we still have a generation of people not getting treatment for mental illness because they were taught it was a moral failing they could will themselves out of. Guess what? It’s not, it a biochemical illness. And yes, therapy can help. But for serious issues, medication saves so many lives. Anyone remember Listening to Prozac? At the time, it was every bit the wonder drug GLP-1s are today. It improved and even saved so many lives. And people who took it were every bit as stigmatized.

Then, because we never learn, we did it all again with substance abuse. Opioid abuse is the mental illness with the highest mortality rate— higher than anorexia or schizophrenia, but we tell people that they can cure themselves through sheer willpower. If you aren’t stopping, it’s a moral failing, not a biochemically based illness. And, now, it’s obesity. And yes, some people can do more exercise/fewer calories and make it work. But for most of them (90%+), the weight comes back. And many people can’t get it off at all.

And here’s the sick part. There is less criticism of people so desperate to lose weight that they undergo dangerous surgery and risk lifelong malabsorption and digestive issues by having bariatric surgery than there is of people who take a weekly medication. Why? Because surgery is dangerous and painful and has a hard recovery, so fat people are “paying” for what must be gluttony, because *I’ve* never had a serious weight issue, and everyone else must be just like me. Taking a shot that is much safer but accomplishes the same thing is just too easy. Fat people don’t deserve a safe, effective treatment for obesity. They did this to themselves and they should really physically suffer to treat obesity. Otherwise, how will they see the error of their ways?

It was gross when people judged mental illness as a moral failing. It’s gross when we judge substance addiction as such. And, its gross that you would rather fat people stay fat or undergo a risky surgery than access a safe and effective medication.

There but for the grace of God…

So get on the Health and Medicine Board to voice your concerns.

I’m just fine right here. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

Self inflicted obesity is not in any way remotely like cancer. The victim complex here is ridiculous. I’m sure it’s the food systems fault.

How many cancers are self inflicted by simply doing the job you do or consuming the food you eat or using the products we use?

There is a disease concept for addiction. Many people won’t accept that it’s a disease because it’s self-inflicted. However, as addiction progresses an addict will develop medical problems and can die from them. They, then, need to be treated, because the addiction has created a sickness in the body. Some people can’t accept that it’s a disease and can’t get past that. Okay, but it’s a real problem for people personally and for society. The same with obesity. Depression and ADD/ADHD used to have the same stigma—you shouldn’t need a drug for this. I know because I listened to lots of know-it-alls who thought they could be solved by self-control, talk therapy, exercise, no sugar and other bull. That was 30 years ago.

There is a constant outcry about health care costs due of obesity (diabetes, etc.) Lets solve it then. Now we have a way to help these people but of course there is criticism because it flies in the face of long-held attitudes. In other words, if it’s self-inflicted, they don’t deserve to have medication or treatment for it. It reminds me of the concept of the “deserving victim.”

Some people do solve their problems without drugs, which is great, but many need them. You may not be the one who does but everyone is different.

I am grateful to the researchers, past and present, who look to find treatments to relieve suffering.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

Self inflicted obesity is not in any way remotely like cancer. The victim complex here is ridiculous. I’m sure it’s the food systems fault.

How many cancers are self inflicted by simply doing the job you do or consuming the food you eat or using the products we use?

I mean— many. Lung cancer and smoking obviously. Cervical cancer from contracting HPV, which is an STD. Coal miners and people who work with asbestos get cancer at high rates. Soldiers exposed to Agent Orange on their jobs (after they CHOSE to enlist). Using baby powder was recently linked to mesothelioma FFS. And on and on and on.

[Anonymous]

I had a really hard time filling my prescription through Kaiser because of a shortage. I went without for a few months. I'm on ozempic because I am a type 2 diabetic. I've been back on it for about 6 weeks and I've lost 53 lbs. I am also very morbidly obese. I no longer have an appetite. Yesterday I ate 1 banana in the morning and an apple in the evening when I started not feeling well a 4 oz glass of orange juice when my blood sugar dropped. The last time I was on ozempic I gained weight. I'm just relieved to finally get some of this weight off.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

Self inflicted obesity is not in any way remotely like cancer. The victim complex here is ridiculous. I’m sure it’s the food systems fault.

How many cancers are self inflicted by simply doing the job you do or consuming the food you eat or using the products we use?

I mean— many. Lung cancer and smoking obviously. Cervical cancer from contracting HPV, which is an STD. Coal miners and people who work with asbestos get cancer at high rates. Soldiers exposed to Agent Orange on their jobs (after they CHOSE to enlist). Using baby powder was recently linked to mesothelioma FFS. And on and on and on.

Exactly. But we don't tell those people they should just put their mind to it and cure their own cancer, right? We accept the fact that they need treatment and give them the best drugs to beat the cancer.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

+1. I’ve struggled with depression and anxiety on and off since the early 1990s. The anti obesity drug people are using the same rhetoric people used to talk about mental illness 30 years ago. “Just get out of bed.” “Exercise works wonders for mood. Go for a nice long walk.” “If you get dressed and go out, I promise you’ll feel better.” “Just relax. It’s not that bad”. Sure. Why didn’t I think of that. /s. Basically— mental illness is due to a lack of will power. Mental health parity in health insurance wasn’t required until around 2010. Now we still have a generation of people not getting treatment for mental illness because they were taught it was a moral failing they could will themselves out of. Guess what? It’s not, it a biochemical illness. And yes, therapy can help. But for serious issues, medication saves so many lives. Anyone remember Listening to Prozac? At the time, it was every bit the wonder drug GLP-1s are today. It improved and even saved so many lives. And people who took it were every bit as stigmatized.

Then, because we never learn, we did it all again with substance abuse. Opioid abuse is the mental illness with the highest mortality rate— higher than anorexia or schizophrenia, but we tell people that they can cure themselves through sheer willpower. If you aren’t stopping, it’s a moral failing, not a biochemically based illness. And, now, it’s obesity. And yes, some people can do more exercise/fewer calories and make it work. But for most of them (90%+), the weight comes back. And many people can’t get it off at all.

And here’s the sick part. There is less criticism of people so desperate to lose weight that they undergo dangerous surgery and risk lifelong malabsorption and digestive issues by having bariatric surgery than there is of people who take a weekly medication. Why? Because surgery is dangerous and painful and has a hard recovery, so fat people are “paying” for what must be gluttony, because *I’ve* never had a serious weight issue, and everyone else must be just like me. Taking a shot that is much safer but accomplishes the same thing is just too easy. Fat people don’t deserve a safe, effective treatment for obesity. They did this to themselves and they should really physically suffer to treat obesity. Otherwise, how will they see the error of their ways?

It was gross when people judged mental illness as a moral failing. It’s gross when we judge substance addiction as such. And, its gross that you would rather fat people stay fat or undergo a risky surgery than access a safe and effective medication.

There but for the grace of God…

NP, but telling people the TRUTH, that many of the issues you cited are in fact within your control to manage or cure without any drugs or medical interventions, is NOT the same thing as telling people that suffering from any of those conditions is a moral failing. You are projecting judgement when you are simply being offered good advice.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

+1. I’ve struggled with depression and anxiety on and off since the early 1990s. The anti obesity drug people are using the same rhetoric people used to talk about mental illness 30 years ago. “Just get out of bed.” “Exercise works wonders for mood. Go for a nice long walk.” “If you get dressed and go out, I promise you’ll feel better.” “Just relax. It’s not that bad”. Sure. Why didn’t I think of that. /s. Basically— mental illness is due to a lack of will power. Mental health parity in health insurance wasn’t required until around 2010. Now we still have a generation of people not getting treatment for mental illness because they were taught it was a moral failing they could will themselves out of. Guess what? It’s not, it a biochemical illness. And yes, therapy can help. But for serious issues, medication saves so many lives. Anyone remember Listening to Prozac? At the time, it was every bit the wonder drug GLP-1s are today. It improved and even saved so many lives. And people who took it were every bit as stigmatized.

Then, because we never learn, we did it all again with substance abuse. Opioid abuse is the mental illness with the highest mortality rate— higher than anorexia or schizophrenia, but we tell people that they can cure themselves through sheer willpower. If you aren’t stopping, it’s a moral failing, not a biochemically based illness. And, now, it’s obesity. And yes, some people can do more exercise/fewer calories and make it work. But for most of them (90%+), the weight comes back. And many people can’t get it off at all.

And here’s the sick part. There is less criticism of people so desperate to lose weight that they undergo dangerous surgery and risk lifelong malabsorption and digestive issues by having bariatric surgery than there is of people who take a weekly medication. Why? Because surgery is dangerous and painful and has a hard recovery, so fat people are “paying” for what must be gluttony, because *I’ve* never had a serious weight issue, and everyone else must be just like me. Taking a shot that is much safer but accomplishes the same thing is just too easy. Fat people don’t deserve a safe, effective treatment for obesity. They did this to themselves and they should really physically suffer to treat obesity. Otherwise, how will they see the error of their ways?

It was gross when people judged mental illness as a moral failing. It’s gross when we judge substance addiction as such. And, its gross that you would rather fat people stay fat or undergo a risky surgery than access a safe and effective medication.

There but for the grace of God…

NP, but telling people the TRUTH, that many of the issues you cited are in fact within your control to manage or cure without any drugs or medical interventions, is NOT the same thing as telling people that suffering from any of those conditions is a moral failing. You are projecting judgement when you are simply being offered good advice.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves on social media. You are not telling THE TRUTH. You are stating your misinformed opinion but you believe in your BS so HARD that you think it's the truth. It's an opinion. An uneducated one. So maybe go get a medical degree, spend a year reading research on these drugs and how to treat obesity and secondary diseases that accompany it, or simply STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

+1. I’ve struggled with depression and anxiety on and off since the early 1990s. The anti obesity drug people are using the same rhetoric people used to talk about mental illness 30 years ago. “Just get out of bed.” “Exercise works wonders for mood. Go for a nice long walk.” “If you get dressed and go out, I promise you’ll feel better.” “Just relax. It’s not that bad”. Sure. Why didn’t I think of that. /s. Basically— mental illness is due to a lack of will power. Mental health parity in health insurance wasn’t required until around 2010. Now we still have a generation of people not getting treatment for mental illness because they were taught it was a moral failing they could will themselves out of. Guess what? It’s not, it a biochemical illness. And yes, therapy can help. But for serious issues, medication saves so many lives. Anyone remember Listening to Prozac? At the time, it was every bit the wonder drug GLP-1s are today. It improved and even saved so many lives. And people who took it were every bit as stigmatized.

Then, because we never learn, we did it all again with substance abuse. Opioid abuse is the mental illness with the highest mortality rate— higher than anorexia or schizophrenia, but we tell people that they can cure themselves through sheer willpower. If you aren’t stopping, it’s a moral failing, not a biochemically based illness. And, now, it’s obesity. And yes, some people can do more exercise/fewer calories and make it work. But for most of them (90%+), the weight comes back. And many people can’t get it off at all.

And here’s the sick part. There is less criticism of people so desperate to lose weight that they undergo dangerous surgery and risk lifelong malabsorption and digestive issues by having bariatric surgery than there is of people who take a weekly medication. Why? Because surgery is dangerous and painful and has a hard recovery, so fat people are “paying” for what must be gluttony, because *I’ve* never had a serious weight issue, and everyone else must be just like me. Taking a shot that is much safer but accomplishes the same thing is just too easy. Fat people don’t deserve a safe, effective treatment for obesity. They did this to themselves and they should really physically suffer to treat obesity. Otherwise, how will they see the error of their ways?

It was gross when people judged mental illness as a moral failing. It’s gross when we judge substance addiction as such. And, its gross that you would rather fat people stay fat or undergo a risky surgery than access a safe and effective medication.

There but for the grace of God…

NP, but telling people the TRUTH, that many of the issues you cited are in fact within your control to manage or cure without any drugs or medical interventions, is NOT the same thing as telling people that suffering from any of those conditions is a moral failing. You are projecting judgement when you are simply being offered good advice.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves on social media. You are not telling THE TRUTH. You are stating your misinformed opinion but you believe in your BS so HARD that you think it's the truth. It's an opinion. An uneducated one. So maybe go get a medical degree, spend a year reading research on these drugs and how to treat obesity and secondary diseases that accompany it, or simply STFU.

I’m sorry, you clearly have a lot more issues than obesity to be so filled with hate and rage. But no, “eating fewer calories than you burn will cause weight loss” is not an opinion, it’s a fact (i.e. truth). “Keeping busy physically to keep you out of your own head all day will help with depression and anxiety” is not an opinion, it’s a fact (i.e. truth). And on and on.

I think the fundamental problem is that when you “try” these things and it’s not an INSTANT fix you decide it “doesn’t work”. That’s why you want pills and injections, because the sustained effort required to deal with these issues yourself is difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

+1. I’ve struggled with depression and anxiety on and off since the early 1990s. The anti obesity drug people are using the same rhetoric people used to talk about mental illness 30 years ago. “Just get out of bed.” “Exercise works wonders for mood. Go for a nice long walk.” “If you get dressed and go out, I promise you’ll feel better.” “Just relax. It’s not that bad”. Sure. Why didn’t I think of that. /s. Basically— mental illness is due to a lack of will power. Mental health parity in health insurance wasn’t required until around 2010. Now we still have a generation of people not getting treatment for mental illness because they were taught it was a moral failing they could will themselves out of. Guess what? It’s not, it a biochemical illness. And yes, therapy can help. But for serious issues, medication saves so many lives. Anyone remember Listening to Prozac? At the time, it was every bit the wonder drug GLP-1s are today. It improved and even saved so many lives. And people who took it were every bit as stigmatized.

Then, because we never learn, we did it all again with substance abuse. Opioid abuse is the mental illness with the highest mortality rate— higher than anorexia or schizophrenia, but we tell people that they can cure themselves through sheer willpower. If you aren’t stopping, it’s a moral failing, not a biochemically based illness. And, now, it’s obesity. And yes, some people can do more exercise/fewer calories and make it work. But for most of them (90%+), the weight comes back. And many people can’t get it off at all.

And here’s the sick part. There is less criticism of people so desperate to lose weight that they undergo dangerous surgery and risk lifelong malabsorption and digestive issues by having bariatric surgery than there is of people who take a weekly medication. Why? Because surgery is dangerous and painful and has a hard recovery, so fat people are “paying” for what must be gluttony, because *I’ve* never had a serious weight issue, and everyone else must be just like me. Taking a shot that is much safer but accomplishes the same thing is just too easy. Fat people don’t deserve a safe, effective treatment for obesity. They did this to themselves and they should really physically suffer to treat obesity. Otherwise, how will they see the error of their ways?

It was gross when people judged mental illness as a moral failing. It’s gross when we judge substance addiction as such. And, its gross that you would rather fat people stay fat or undergo a risky surgery than access a safe and effective medication.

There but for the grace of God…

NP, but telling people the TRUTH, that many of the issues you cited are in fact within your control to manage or cure without any drugs or medical interventions, is NOT the same thing as telling people that suffering from any of those conditions is a moral failing. You are projecting judgement when you are simply being offered good advice.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves on social media. You are not telling THE TRUTH. You are stating your misinformed opinion but you believe in your BS so HARD that you think it's the truth. It's an opinion. An uneducated one. So maybe go get a medical degree, spend a year reading research on these drugs and how to treat obesity and secondary diseases that accompany it, or simply STFU.

I’m sorry, you clearly have a lot more issues than obesity to be so filled with hate and rage. But no, “eating fewer calories than you burn will cause weight loss” is not an opinion, it’s a fact (i.e. truth). “Keeping busy physically to keep you out of your own head all day will help with depression and anxiety” is not an opinion, it’s a fact (i.e. truth). And on and on.

I think the fundamental problem is that when you “try” these things and it’s not an INSTANT fix you decide it “doesn’t work”. That’s why you want pills and injections, because the sustained effort required to deal with these issues yourself is difficult.

haha. I'm filled with hate and rage? But not you who comes on the tread about people wanting to lose weight only to tell them how lazy and entitled they are. Mkkkayyy

As for the rest, I'll keep working with my doctor and trust her to tell me the TRUTH and you can STFU as I said before.

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If you have ED insurance will cover drugs.
If you need birth control insurance will cover drugs.
If you have high blood pressure, insurance will cover the drugs.
If you have diabetes, insurance will cover the drugs.
If you are obese, insurance won't cover the drugs.
There is outdated bias in the medical business against obese people.

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

Self inflicted obesity is not in any way remotely like cancer. The victim complex here is ridiculous. I’m sure it’s the food systems fault.

How many cancers are self inflicted by simply doing the job you do or consuming the food you eat or using the products we use?

I mean— many. Lung cancer and smoking obviously. Cervical cancer from contracting HPV, which is an STD. Coal miners and people who work with asbestos get cancer at high rates. Soldiers exposed to Agent Orange on their jobs (after they CHOSE to enlist). Using baby powder was recently linked to mesothelioma FFS. And on and on and on.

This is just offensive. AO was used in Vietnam, where a very large percentage of soldiers were drafted. Blaming them for the abuses of the US Army is really a terrible look. What is wrong with you?

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Anonymous wrote:Eat healthy. Exercise. Done.

Yup. This trend of salivating for drugs instead of just doing what you’re supposed to be doing is bonkers.

NP. Americans are lazy. They consume high amount of carbs, sugar and calories. They have high cholesterol, pre diabetes or diabetes, but at the same time want to stay thin. Lol

That "lol" at the end really conveyed your point

Presumably you are thin, healthy and smart, so why are you on this thread? Oh I know, because you're just nasty and jealous.

Jealous of what? OP coveting a drug to change their biochemistry to promote weight loss instead of acting like a normal human was designed, which avoids the weight gain in the first place? Or jealous of the other people in this thread that think innovation should be free. I’m sure all those posters also work for free.

Again, why are you here? Just to gloat about how perfect you are. We get it. You are sooooooooo much better than us fatties looking for a drug to fix us. Does that make you feel better?

Its a discussion forum. You know, for discussion.

The suggestion anyone is jealous of any of this is constant, yet exceptionally dumb. Similarly, the entire post's concept reeks of entitlement. Why exactly would a novel pharaceutical that is being now being used beyond its original indication to treat a self-inflicted disease be ready available "for the rest of us" at effectively no cost? How does that make any amount of sense? Do you work for free? The answer is you don't. And, that attitude of entitlement probably landed you in whatever predicament you are in with regard to your weight and lack of self control anyways.

Presumably, people discuss things that affect them or they have experience in. By your own admission this has ZERO bearing on your life, so why are you here if not to shit on people doing their best to lose the weight? Because you are a shit person, an anonymous keyboard warrior sticking it to us fatties on the internet trying to make yourself feel better.

Everything else you said is pure shit and you should read on about these drugs if you wish to "discuss."

I am not the PP with whom you are responding, but I do agree this is a discussion board, and comments like “people doing their best to lose the weight” via a drug is not doing your best. It’s the easy way out. Taking care of your body is a commitment and doesn’t just magically happen with a miracle drug.

I'll tell that to all the people who "aren't doing their best" to get rid of their cancer or to get rid of their migraines. Perhaps they should simply "try harder". Reality is that medications prescribed by doctors is taking good care of one's health. I am taking Wegovy. Because of it, I've been able to eat much healthier, eat far more vegetables, far less sweets and carbs, and control portion size. I've also learned, with the help of a dietician how much protein helps control hunger and to add weight lifting to my routine. The drug is far less a "miracle drug" and more of an assist to help build better habits. We've moralized weight when it doesn't need to be that way. Just as we've learned that alcoholism and drug addiction needs medical interventions, so does weight. It isn't a moral issue. But I guess if you need to think of it that way, go ahead. It's unfortunate that harsh judgemental thinking can't be cured with medication.

+1. I’ve struggled with depression and anxiety on and off since the early 1990s. The anti obesity drug people are using the same rhetoric people used to talk about mental illness 30 years ago. “Just get out of bed.” “Exercise works wonders for mood. Go for a nice long walk.” “If you get dressed and go out, I promise you’ll feel better.” “Just relax. It’s not that bad”. Sure. Why didn’t I think of that. /s. Basically— mental illness is due to a lack of will power. Mental health parity in health insurance wasn’t required until around 2010. Now we still have a generation of people not getting treatment for mental illness because they were taught it was a moral failing they could will themselves out of. Guess what? It’s not, it a biochemical illness. And yes, therapy can help. But for serious issues, medication saves so many lives. Anyone remember Listening to Prozac? At the time, it was every bit the wonder drug GLP-1s are today. It improved and even saved so many lives. And people who took it were every bit as stigmatized.

Then, because we never learn, we did it all again with substance abuse. Opioid abuse is the mental illness with the highest mortality rate— higher than anorexia or schizophrenia, but we tell people that they can cure themselves through sheer willpower. If you aren’t stopping, it’s a moral failing, not a biochemically based illness. And, now, it’s obesity. And yes, some people can do more exercise/fewer calories and make it work. But for most of them (90%+), the weight comes back. And many people can’t get it off at all.

And here’s the sick part. There is less criticism of people so desperate to lose weight that they undergo dangerous surgery and risk lifelong malabsorption and digestive issues by having bariatric surgery than there is of people who take a weekly medication. Why? Because surgery is dangerous and painful and has a hard recovery, so fat people are “paying” for what must be gluttony, because *I’ve* never had a serious weight issue, and everyone else must be just like me. Taking a shot that is much safer but accomplishes the same thing is just too easy. Fat people don’t deserve a safe, effective treatment for obesity. They did this to themselves and they should really physically suffer to treat obesity. Otherwise, how will they see the error of their ways?

It was gross when people judged mental illness as a moral failing. It’s gross when we judge substance addiction as such. And, its gross that you would rather fat people stay fat or undergo a risky surgery than access a safe and effective medication.

There but for the grace of God…

NP, but telling people the TRUTH, that many of the issues you cited are in fact within your control to manage or cure without any drugs or medical interventions, is NOT the same thing as telling people that suffering from any of those conditions is a moral failing. You are projecting judgement when you are simply being offered good advice.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves on social media. You are not telling THE TRUTH. You are stating your misinformed opinion but you believe in your BS so HARD that you think it's the truth. It's an opinion. An uneducated one. So maybe go get a medical degree, spend a year reading research on these drugs and how to treat obesity and secondary diseases that accompany it, or simply STFU.

I’m sorry, you clearly have a lot more issues than obesity to be so filled with hate and rage. But no, “eating fewer calories than you burn will cause weight loss” is not an opinion, it’s a fact (i.e. truth). “Keeping busy physically to keep you out of your own head all day will help with depression and anxiety” is not an opinion, it’s a fact (i.e. truth). And on and on.

I think the fundamental problem is that when you “try” these things and it’s not an INSTANT fix you decide it “doesn’t work”. That’s why you want pills and injections, because the sustained effort required to deal with these issues yourself is difficult.

DP. You have serious issues with wanting to control other people. My guess is you are projecting. You’re so terrified that you will lose control that you have to lash out at people who are doing something that you cannot admit you want - avail yourself of an easy solution to a problem. At some point you internalized a message that being thin is a moral mandate and it terrifies you to be faced with people who don’t see it that way. Because if you lose the security of knowing you are good because you are thin, what else is left for you?

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Who cares if other people use drugs to lose weight? If you're able to do it "the right way", good for you! Keep on doing it. What other people do is none of your concern. Take your self content and smugness elsewhere. Its not discouraging anyone from using these, it's just airtime for you to try and feel superior.