Anti-diversity trends.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine any co-ed DC school moving away from DEI: Sidwell, GDS, Maret, Field, WIS, etc. Maybe consider coed?

Very few of them really embrace DEI, especially the socioeconomic aspect of DEI.

I’m so sick of hearing this. Most schools have at least 20% of kids on financial aid. My kid’s school has over 25% financial aid. We full pay $56,000 and donate about 50k a year. How much more would you like people to pay so your kid can get a free ride? It’s not a nonprofit FFS.

You may be sick of hearing it but that doesn’t make it any less true. You pay at least $55k/yr. That means your school is not socioeconomically diverse. It’s just not possible. That’s what you are choosing.

I say 1/4 of the class on financial aid is plenty of economic diversity. But I actually don’t care. I grew up LMC and first gen. I’m not going to apologize for sending my kid to a private. Especially because I’m sure you probably grew up with more money than me, went to better college, and are now acting like you have a right to dictate what I do with my money - or worse jealous because you can’t afford tuition to private.

When financial aid is available to families making 200k a year, it's not evidence of economic diversity. And no one is dictating, we're mocking the idea of a school charging 50k a year pretending to care about diversity

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine any co-ed DC school moving away from DEI: Sidwell, GDS, Maret, Field, WIS, etc. Maybe consider coed?

Very few of them really embrace DEI, especially the socioeconomic aspect of DEI.

I’m so sick of hearing this. Most schools have at least 20% of kids on financial aid. My kid’s school has over 25% financial aid. We full pay $56,000 and donate about 50k a year. How much more would you like people to pay so your kid can get a free ride? It’s not a nonprofit FFS.

You may be sick of hearing it but that doesn’t make it any less true. You pay at least $55k/yr. That means your school is not socioeconomically diverse. It’s just not possible. That’s what you are choosing.

I say 1/4 of the class on financial aid is plenty of economic diversity. But I actually don’t care. I grew up LMC and first gen. I’m not going to apologize for sending my kid to a private. Especially because I’m sure you probably grew up with more money than me, went to better college, and are now acting like you have a right to dictate what I do with my money - or worse jealous because you can’t afford tuition to private.

When financial aid is available to families making 200k a year, it's not evidence of economic diversity. And no one is dictating, we're mocking the idea of a school charging 50k a year pretending to care about diversity

I think that the schools charging 50K/year makes a lot of sense in this area. Because lots of people are dirt rich. They won't care about giving 50K or even 100K per child. So it makes sense to set the price high for tuition so that you can get money from rich people to fund and run your school. Next, it makes sense for school to set the application fee somewhat affordable (right now they seem affordable) so that the fee is not a barrier to application. Almost all seem to offer application fee waiver, this is also a great step. Next, collect as much donations as possible to have enough financial aid available so that admissions are as much need blind as possible. This way it does not really matter how much the rich are charged for tuition. If they are giving 100K or 50K won't matter. If the tuition was set at 100K, then those who can afford only 50K would need to apply for financial aid and pay 50K at school. That was the school can charge more money from those who can pay more.

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The admissions committee can look at teacher rec, kids assessment, parent interviews (how is the family's approach to their child's education). When the admissions committee has enough data for admitting (or not admitting) my child, why do they need to factor in our race? You tell me.

The gaslighting is unreal.

Because folks have biases, they want to ensure that they are considering other aspects that don't apply to most of their other applicants. Race is also one of the most significant issues in America. It determines where people choose to live, work, politics, and even where they attend school.

I don't want to be around segregationists. It's wild that they complain about DEI being forced on them, but it's them doing the most disruption, trying to drag us back into the 50s.

MONEY determines where people choose to live, work, politics, and even where they attend school.

Sometimes.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine any co-ed DC school moving away from DEI: Sidwell, GDS, Maret, Field, WIS, etc. Maybe consider coed?

Very few of them really embrace DEI, especially the socioeconomic aspect of DEI.

I’m so sick of hearing this. Most schools have at least 20% of kids on financial aid. My kid’s school has over 25% financial aid. We full pay $56,000 and donate about 50k a year. How much more would you like people to pay so your kid can get a free ride? It’s not a nonprofit FFS.

You may be sick of hearing it but that doesn’t make it any less true. You pay at least $55k/yr. That means your school is not socioeconomically diverse. It’s just not possible. That’s what you are choosing.

I say 1/4 of the class on financial aid is plenty of economic diversity. But I actually don’t care. I grew up LMC and first gen. I’m not going to apologize for sending my kid to a private. Especially because I’m sure you probably grew up with more money than me, went to better college, and are now acting like you have a right to dictate what I do with my money - or worse jealous because you can’t afford tuition to private.

When financial aid is available to families making 200k a year, it's not evidence of economic diversity. And no one is dictating, we're mocking the idea of a school charging 50k a year pretending to care about diversity

I think that the schools charging 50K/year makes a lot of sense in this area. Because lots of people are dirt rich. They won't care about giving 50K or even 100K per child. So it makes sense to set the price high for tuition so that you can get money from rich people to fund and run your school. Next, it makes sense for school to set the application fee somewhat affordable (right now they seem affordable) so that the fee is not a barrier to application. Almost all seem to offer application fee waiver, this is also a great step. Next, collect as much donations as possible to have enough financial aid available so that admissions are as much need blind as possible. This way it does not really matter how much the rich are charged for tuition. If they are giving 100K or 50K won't matter. If the tuition was set at 100K, then those who can afford only 50K would need to apply for financial aid and pay 50K at school. That was the school can charge more money from those who can pay more.

Correction: That waY the school can charge more money from those who can pay more.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm afraid, given the current social climate, that I'm going to send my daughter to a school that is trying to become whiter.

I've noticed that many families have become openly against diversity efforts. We are POC, and I've had parents casually express how DEI initiatives hurt the quality of the surrounding private schools. Although I'm disappointed in the lack of thoughtfulness, I'm not surprised.

I already pulled applications from a couple of schools that have suddenly committed to a less diverse path since I started my application process. I'm now nervous I will be stuck at a school where my child's presence diminishes its quality.

I would appreciate insights on the current climate of your current institution. I will not take it personally. I don't have the energy to be a part of a diversity struggle. I'm sure other POC parents will also agree.

I don’t think this means they want to become whiter. It just means they don’t want race to be a factor in admissions? Why would you want that?

Agreed. I'm Hispanic.

I agree too. I'm Asian, and the DEI program at our school is all about blacks. I attended all of the DEI programs at our school for the last three years, and the discussions were all centered on blacks. No care for Asians, Latinos, Native Americans, Arabs, etc. The school's DEI staff have always been black or white, no other ethnicities are represented. DEI does not mean diversity.

Have you shared this with your school? Have you, or your counterparts, contributed your thoughts to the programs or planning? Or are you only comfortable sharing on an anonymous forum that has no ties with your school where your sentiment will die once the thread falls beyond the single digit pages of DCUM? People always want to complain, but never voice how they are working towards making a change. You highlight a significant point and you are spending your time at every DEI program. Yet why would you not want to make sure your school also acknowledges and represents all? Also, it's "Blacks."

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Anonymous wrote:I'm afraid, given the current social climate, that I'm going to send my daughter to a school that is trying to become whiter.

I've noticed that many families have become openly against diversity efforts. We are POC, and I've had parents casually express how DEI initiatives hurt the quality of the surrounding private schools. Although I'm disappointed in the lack of thoughtfulness, I'm not surprised.

I already pulled applications from a couple of schools that have suddenly committed to a less diverse path since I started my application process. I'm now nervous I will be stuck at a school where my child's presence diminishes its quality.

I would appreciate insights on the current climate of your current institution. I will not take it personally. I don't have the energy to be a part of a diversity struggle. I'm sure other POC parents will also agree.

I don’t think this means they want to become whiter. It just means they don’t want race to be a factor in admissions? Why would you want that?

Agreed. I'm Hispanic.

I agree too. I'm Asian, and the DEI program at our school is all about blacks. I attended all of the DEI programs at our school for the last three years, and the discussions were all centered on blacks. No care for Asians, Latinos, Native Americans, Arabs, etc. The school's DEI staff have always been black or white, no other ethnicities are represented. DEI does not mean diversity.

Have you shared this with your school? Have you, or your counterparts, contributed your thoughts to the programs or planning? Or are you only comfortable sharing on an anonymous forum that has no ties with your school where your sentiment will die once the thread falls beyond the single digit pages of DCUM? People always want to complain, but never voice how they are working towards making a change. You highlight a significant point and you are spending your time at every DEI program. Yet why would you not want to make sure your school also acknowledges and represents all? Also, it's "Blacks."

I am not that poster. I would like to add my 2 cents. If I was that person, I would also hesitate to contribute my thoughts. Not because I have doubts about my thoughts, but because it would be similar to saying "the king is naked". Everyone knows "the king is naked", but people are all playing a game of DEI. Because the political climate is forcing this game. If I tell my thoughts, the first thing that would happen is people will question whether I am "racist". As a non-white, I might still be blamed for being white supremacist, or racist. School ground is risky for such bravery from a family. No family would want that kind of attention, and cannot risk being blamed racist. So we all shut up and act like the king is not naked and has the best clothes on. It is the political climate that is leading to this nonsense.

I am mostly upset for the POC people, since they are the ones who will actually suffer from the fall out of this policy. This is why as a non-white I want admissions to be merit based as a top factor. Whites eventually suffered from white favoritism. POC might suffer from similar favoritism. I want peace to come. So merit based admissions is really the solution to this.

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I will play it safe and go with the traditional liberal schools. I can't deal with Moms for Liberty Light or the eventual racial incident.

We applied to some good schools. Hopefully, something will come through.

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I am not that poster. I would like to add my 2 cents. If I was that person, I would also hesitate to contribute my thoughts. Not because I have doubts about my thoughts, but because it would be similar to saying "the king is naked". Everyone knows "the king is naked", but people are all playing a game of DEI. Because the political climate is forcing this game. If I tell my thoughts, the first thing that would happen is people will question whether I am "racist". As a non-white, I might still be blamed for being white supremacist, or racist. School ground is risky for such bravery from a family. No family would want that kind of attention, and cannot risk being blamed racist. So we all shut up and act like the king is not naked and has the best clothes on. It is the political climate that is leading to this nonsense.

I am mostly upset for the POC people, since they are the ones who will actually suffer from the fall out of this policy. This is why as a non-white I want admissions to be merit based as a top factor. Whites eventually suffered from white favoritism. POC might suffer from similar favoritism. I want peace to come. So merit based admissions is really the solution to this.

This is just a word jumble with a bunch of unsupported conclusions.

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I am not that poster. I would like to add my 2 cents. If I was that person, I would also hesitate to contribute my thoughts. Not because I have doubts about my thoughts, but because it would be similar to saying "the king is naked". Everyone knows "the king is naked", but people are all playing a game of DEI. Because the political climate is forcing this game. If I tell my thoughts, the first thing that would happen is people will question whether I am "racist". As a non-white, I might still be blamed for being white supremacist, or racist. School ground is risky for such bravery from a family. No family would want that kind of attention, and cannot risk being blamed racist. So we all shut up and act like the king is not naked and has the best clothes on. It is the political climate that is leading to this nonsense.

I am mostly upset for the POC people, since they are the ones who will actually suffer from the fall out of this policy. This is why as a non-white I want admissions to be merit based as a top factor. Whites eventually suffered from white favoritism. POC might suffer from similar favoritism. I want peace to come. So merit based admissions is really the solution to this.

This is just a word jumble with a bunch of unsupported conclusions.

OK.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here:

I will play it safe and go with the traditional liberal schools. I can't deal with Moms for Liberty Light or the eventual racial incident.

We applied to some good schools. Hopefully, something will come through.

Lol. OP back here to troll because the conversation was too nuanced.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you make a separate post about Holton?

Nope, but it's one of the schools I pulled.

Where else?

Another school in the area without affinity groups.

Our high school is so polarized they actually won't let bi-racial kids join affinity groups. So if you have one parent who is black, that's not enough for the black affinity group. If you have one parent who is hispanic, nope, you can't join the hispanic one either. God forbid you have one asian and one black parent, because you can't go to either.

Gate keeping. And the person who makes this decision is the DEI head for the school. Lovely.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you make a separate post about Holton?

Nope, but it's one of the schools I pulled.

Where else?

Another school in the area without affinity groups.

Our high school is so polarized they actually won't let bi-racial kids join affinity groups. So if you have one parent who is black, that's not enough for the black affinity group. If you have one parent who is hispanic, nope, you can't join the hispanic one either. God forbid you have one asian and one black parent, because you can't go to either.

Gate keeping. And the person who makes this decision is the DEI head for the school. Lovely.

Which school? Dare ya.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine any co-ed DC school moving away from DEI: Sidwell, GDS, Maret, Field, WIS, etc. Maybe consider coed?

Very few of them really embrace DEI, especially the socioeconomic aspect of DEI.

I’m so sick of hearing this. Most schools have at least 20% of kids on financial aid. My kid’s school has over 25% financial aid. We full pay $56,000 and donate about 50k a year. How much more would you like people to pay so your kid can get a free ride? It’s not a nonprofit FFS.

You may be sick of hearing it but that doesn’t make it any less true. You pay at least $55k/yr. That means your school is not socioeconomically diverse. It’s just not possible. That’s what you are choosing.

I say 1/4 of the class on financial aid is plenty of economic diversity. But I actually don’t care. I grew up LMC and first gen. I’m not going to apologize for sending my kid to a private. Especially because I’m sure you probably grew up with more money than me, went to better college, and are now acting like you have a right to dictate what I do with my money - or worse jealous because you can’t afford tuition to private.

Good for you! At least, here, on this anonymous board, you are honest. Your school and other people there who claim it’s diverse and that they care so much about diversity? Not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:I am wondering, cynically, if private schools are now recognizing that after the Supreme Court ruling there is less of an advantage to being a minority applicant to college. Since a private school’s prestige is based largely on where their graduates go to college, they see less of a reason to recruit minority applicants.

They could target first gen. Of course, it's a lot easier for a black doctor's kid to thrive at a rigorous private than a landscaper's kid who will also need 100% aid. I'd bet that professionals with foreign degrees (making their kids first gen by most definitions) become very popular with these schools.

That is entirely false. I am a foreigner with a US college freshman. "First generation to go to college" does not apply to kids of highly educated foreigners.

There are some ***excellent and very selective universities*** outside the US, PP. American universities know this, even if you do not. The Common App asks for parents' education. If your child writes that you have an MD, a PhD, etc from X, Y Z, university - as is the case for our family - then they are NOT considered "first gen".

It says something really terrible about you that you missed that fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree with PP. it’s not diversity that’s a problem, it’s DEI.

+1. Parents are pushing back on this.